Player Discussion Anton Khudobin

[Dennis Bonvie]

Seems reasonable, and maybe at this point the plan is to ride the Tuuka horse as much as possible? Zane really needs to be playing regularly at this point in his development- I hope so anyway, and we'll see him back up soon, though I have no problems with Dobby if he can play to the level we expected from him.

I would think so. Why not? Games are spaced for a while. Let Khudobin watch Rask play and be a jokester in the room while McIntyre gets playing time in the AHL.

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

I think youre applying way too much hindsight here, and trying to rewrite narrative/past. The vast majority of people thought the deal was solid or at least neutral. Almost nobody anticipated he would play this poorly.

I liked the khubodin signing... and I think 2 years was for expansion. I think you pay more for 2 years.

Can't give Sweeny much crap for this... goalie is a tricky position to predict and at least half the teams aren't happy with what they got

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

I liked the khubodin signing... and I think 2 years was for expansion. I think you pay more for 2 years.

Can't give Sweeny much crap for this... goalie is a tricky position to predict and at least half the teams aren't happy with what they got

Also... He WAS here before. And he WAS good here.

I thought for sure he was going to be an upgrade at the position. Just didn't pan out.

 

[talkinaway]

I'm really confused - apparently Khudobin is back up and McIntyre is down in the AHL for...the AHL All Star Game "weekend" today and Monday?

I thought the NHL ASG was meaningless, but that just seems a little bit...weird. And stupid. Especially considering we have a Lightning/Caps back to back on Tuesday/Wednesday. It means either:

A) Khudobin in getting a chance on Tuesday against the Bolts.
B) McIntyre is "playing" in the ASG on Sunday/Monday (after having played for Providnce Saturday, IIRC) and plays on Tuesday for the big Bs. Four days in a row? Yes, two are silly games, but still...
C) Rask starts Tuesday, and McIntyre (or Khudobin) starts against the Capitals.
D) Rask starts both games.

None of those is better than option E: Tell the AHL "thanks but no thanks", and have McIntyre take on the weaker Bolts, saving Rask for the Caps. I know he's probably one of the best AHL goalies, if not THE best....that's why he's been in the NHL for the past month!! Maybe there's some silly AHL ASG rule where McIntyre would have to sit out if selected....but it just seems so stupid.

 

[Fossy21]

I hope so. Providence plays tonight and Saturday. Not too much to ask for a 90 minute drive down there tomorrow, and then be ready to play Tuesday in Florida.

It'd be ridiculous not to send Khudobin back down after the ASG, IMO. Pretty sure we're still in the 30 days grace period for waivers, so that's not an issue. It's not like Khudobin's lit the AHL on fire in the 6 games he's played: he's 4-2-0 with 2 shutouts, but last game he was pulled after letting 3 goals past him in the first period.

And it's not like McIntyre's stunk here. He has yet to have what I'd call a quality chance for a backup goalie. To me, a "quality chance" means: he's scheduled to start for reasons other than injury to a goalie the day before, and the other team is in the bottom half of the NHL standings (or at least not in the top ten).

Zane's first game wasn't even a start. His second and third were against top teams - MTL and NYR - that a backup has no business playing against. He got a loser point against Carolina, and was reasonably good IIRC. He hasn't started a game since: his other games were from Rask's throat shot, Rask's migraine, and the Islanders game at home where he was put in to save Rask.

I still need one or two more good, clean starts from McIntyre to judge. I'm not going to judge a backup based on how well he plays when he's put in the third period trailing 0-3. I'll be annoyed if Khudobin doesn't get sent back down.

Add to this that our team scores something like 1.6 goals in games our backups play. It's a tough position to be put in.

 

[bruinmann77]

Add to this that our team scores something like 1.6 goals in games our backups play. It's a tough position to be put in.

spot on in the last two posts

 

[Gee Wally]

Anton Khudobin, who was waived on Jan. 4, was the primary practice goalie. Khudobin could start tomorrow, which would give Rask a rest day in preparation for Wednesday’s game against Washington. Coach Claude Julien did not commit to giving Khudobin either of the starts.

“I’ve got to make a decision, first of all, on tomorrow,†Julien said. “Pretty important game. We’ve got to really assess our situation here with our goalies.â€

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...-star-break/J5Jy4KQolKZCkFXZS3RIRI/story.html

 

[BruinDust]

So is McIntyre still down in Providence? Or are both him and Khudobin in Boston awaiting the return of Rask from the All-star break.

 

[talkinaway]

So is McIntyre still down in Providence? Or are both him and Khudobin in Boston awaiting the return of Rask from the All-star break.

McIntyre was in Leigh High Valley (aka Allentown, where they're tearing all the factories down) for the Sunday-Monday AHL Skills Competition/ASG. He didn't have to do much; Sunday I think he just had to goaltend for a dual rapid fire shooting exercise, a weird 3-on-0 passing exercise, and a timed shootout (like the NHL ASG used to do). Monday he played half of 3 mini-games for 5 minutes each, played 3 minutes in the final (where they changed goalies on the fly, WTF is that allowed?!), and lost in a shootout.

It's not a heavy load for sure, but the travel is probably the most obnoxious part about it. I can't imagine that after leaving the arena in Allentown, PA at about 10 PM that he's going to want to fly into Tampa.

 

[Caper Bruins fan]

Anton Khudobin, who was waived on Jan. 4, was the primary practice goalie. Khudobin could start tomorrow, which would give Rask a rest day in preparation for Wednesday’s game against Washington. Coach Claude Julien did not commit to giving Khudobin either of the starts.

“I’ve got to make a decision, first of all, on tomorrow,†Julien said. “Pretty important game. We’ve got to really assess our situation here with our goalies.â€

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/b...-star-break/J5Jy4KQolKZCkFXZS3RIRI/story.html

Rask should play both games. He will have three days off after the Caps game .

 

[Mantis]

If they play a backup against TB and Rask against WSH there is a good chance they lose both. Play Rask vs Tampa AND Washington.

 

[ODAAT]

If they play a backup against TB and Rask against WSH there is a good chance they lose both. Play Rask vs Tampa AND Washington.

Marty Brodeur would have played both and I agree. Too often I find this back to back stuff and resting the goalie is like the way in baseball they baby pitchers, gawd forbid you let em` pitch past the 100 pitches mark

Then again, I grew up watching pitchers routinely pitching deep into games

 

[BruinDust]

Marty Brodeur would have played both and I agree. Too often I find this back to back stuff and resting the goalie is like the way in baseball they baby pitchers, gawd forbid you let em` pitch past the 100 pitches mark

Then again, I grew up watching pitchers routinely pitching deep into games

On one hand I agree.

But Rask has ALWAYS had issues with fatigue, all the way back to the 2010 season.

Go look at Washington the last two years. Holtby has played in 85% of their regular season games. And his performance has dipped in both playoff years, resulting in 2nd round losses. 85% is simply too much. Proof is in the pudding.

Rask's top number to me is 60 and not a game more. Ideally I'd like to get him to 55. Now some will say "you can't pay a guy 7 million to play 55 games", but if it gets you better performance and more wins from those 55 games, then it's well worth it.

This team has failed to supply Rask with anything close to adequate back-up goaltending support the last 3 seasons, to be able to manage his minutes, and it's had a big impact on what will soon be the 3rd consecutive playoff DNQ.

 

[Spanky185]

Marty Brodeur would have played both and I agree. Too often I find this back to back stuff and resting the goalie is like the way in baseball they baby pitchers, gawd forbid you let em` pitch past the 100 pitches mark

Then again, I grew up watching pitchers routinely pitching deep into games

Relief specialization has gotten a bit ridiculous in baseball, but it's closer to not starting the same catcher during a day game after a night game.

The only game that I saw Dobby play in the A was in Hartford. He made some nice saves but a couple of the goals he let in were awful and he made some really bad decisions too

 

[BruinDust]

So this is baffling to me.

They send Khudobin down and bring McIntyre up.

McIntyre doesn't start a single game while with the big club.

Khudobin by reports here is average at best down in the AHL.

They send McIntyre down for the AHL all-star game (about the only part about this that makes sense), call up Khudobin.

Now after an average performance by Khudobin in the AHL, and not a single start granted to McIntyre in the NHL in that timeframe, Khudobin is getting another chance to win his back-up job back. This makes zero sense.

WTF is Don Sweeney doing? He can't even manage friggin' back-up goaltenders, let alone an entire team. Just more amateur decision making from Amateur-hour Don.

 

[ODAAT]

Honestly don`t care which of the two are in net, as long as one of them makes a bloody save when this team needs it most. Rask has played 41 games, if math is correct, that`s 10 games our back ups have started, anyone have a clue how many wins those back ups have won?

I`m going to guess 3 at the most, leaving a ton of points out there, I get it, the boys in front of them weren`t lighting it up on the other end but I watched too many games where this team didn`t get a save when needing it most

 

[Dr Hook]

Honestly don`t care which of the two are in net, as long as one of them makes a bloody save when this team needs it most. Rask has played 41 games, if math is correct, that`s 10 games our back ups have started, anyone have a clue how many wins those back ups have won?

I`m going to guess 3 at the most, leaving a ton of points out there, I get it, the boys in front of them weren`t lighting it up on the other end but I watched too many games where this team didn`t get a save when needing it most

Try 1

 

[ODAAT]

Try 1

Horrible, imagine if they had won even 60% of those starts, not an unreasonable number I don`t think? So that`s 12 pts, you say one win, so there`s 10 points out there, puts them in or around the 65/66 point range and breathing far easier

Now, this team needs an incredible home stretch combined with failure from other teams just to be in a possible playoff conversation. Not looking great

 

[NDiesel]

So this is baffling to me.

They send Khudobin down and bring McIntyre up.

McIntyre doesn't start a single game while with the big club.

Khudobin by reports here is average at best down in the AHL.

They send McIntyre down for the AHL all-star game (about the only part about this that makes sense), call up Khudobin.

Now after an average performance by Khudobin in the AHL, and not a single start granted to McIntyre in the NHL in that timeframe, Khudobin is getting another chance to win his back-up job back. This makes zero sense.

WTF is Don Sweeney doing? He can't even manage friggin' back-up goaltenders, let alone an entire team. Just more amateur decision making from Amateur-hour Don.

Zane sucked while he was up here. As a prospect it makes more sense to let him dominate the AHL right now and let Khudobin ride the pine.

 

[Dr Hook]

Horrible, imagine if they had won even 60% of those starts, not an unreasonable number I don`t think? So that`s 12 pts, you say one win, so there`s 10 points out there, puts them in or around the 65/66 point range and breathing far easier

Now, this team needs an incredible home stretch combined with failure from other teams just to be in a possible playoff conversation. Not looking great

Oh yeah- imagine even the backups going .500 which was certainly possible in some of those games where they just fell apart. Add 4 wins and 8 points and we are sweating the games in the hand far less. I know Dobby was not great, and neither were Subban or Zane in their starts, but if I am remembering right, at least 2/3 of those starts the team was absolutely rubbish in front of them.

 

[ODAAT]

Zane sucked while he was up here. As a prospect it makes more sense to let him dominate the AHL right now and let Khudobin ride the pine.

he showed me some flashes that I liked but also made it clear that he wasn`t quite ready which is fine, incredibly difficult position to learn and I tend to be even more patient with goalies and D-men than any other positions in regards to the development process

 

[LSCII]

This place is hilarious with so many people hanging this team's struggles on the backup goalie when it has nothing to do with the backup goalie. They can't score. They don't win unless they get a goalie in net who gives them a .930 save percentage or better. No backup in the league is doing that consistently. This isn't a backup goalie issue. It's a crappy d issue. It's a lack of scoring issue. It's a system issue. It's everything but a backup goalie issue.

 

[BruinDust]

Zane sucked while he was up here. As a prospect it makes more sense to let him dominate the AHL right now and let Khudobin ride the pine.

Zane wasn't good? They didn't even give him a start while he was here this time around.

And they can't afford to let their back-up "ride the pine". Rask already looks exhausted.

Whether you like Zane or Khudobin is inconsequential. How this is being handled is ridiculous. That's on Sweeney.

What an epic failure for a GM who can't even solve a problem as simple as back-up goaltending. And folks here think Sweeney can turn this ship around? Good lord.

 

[BruinDust]

This place is hilarious with so many people hanging this team's struggles on the backup goalie when it has nothing to do with the backup goalie. They can't score. They don't win unless they get a goalie in net who gives them a .930 save percentage or better. No backup in the league is doing that consistently. This isn't a backup goalie issue. It's a crappy d issue. It's a lack of scoring issue. It's a system issue. It's everything but a backup goalie issue.

All those things are issues.

But so is back-up goaltending. It's been an issue for almost 3 years now, just like almost everything else.

 

[Therick67]

Has anyone done a wellness check on Sweeney? Haven't seen or heard from him in some time..