Player Discussion Anton Khudobin

[BruinsBtn]

Subban is not exempt. He has played enough in the AHL.

I thought there was some weird tolling AHL thing that kept Subban safe. Not that I care, I'd rather lose him than any of the defensemen on our expansion board.

 

[Fenway]

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

Player Exposure Requirements
* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

Bruins exempt players

David Backes
Patrice Bergeron
Zdeno Chara
David Krejci

 

[Dr Hook]

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592




Bruins exempt players

David Backes
Patrice Bergeron
Zdeno Chara
David Krejci

So we expose: Miller or McQuaid, Hayes, Nash/Beleskey, Subban/Khudobin

Not really that painful

 

[Fenway]

So we expose: Miller or McQuaid, Hayes, Nash/Beleskey, Subban/Khudobin

Not really that painful

Khudobin might get claimed by a team that doesn't want to expose another goalie.

 

[BMC]

Thanks Dobby sorry it didn't work out

 

[Dr Hook]

Khudobin might get claimed by a team that doesn't want to expose another goalie.

True- a forward thinking GM might grab him just for that; might be worth the smallish cap hit to do so. If so, then we expose Subban to meet the requirements and still all is good

 

[LSCII]

While it's good to see they're trying to fix areas of weakness on the team, what exactly does putting Khudobin on waivers do to fill the gaping holes they have on defense? What does it do to fix the lack of scoring from the forwards? To me, moving on from a guy that's played in all of 8 games does nothing to actually right the ship. The only way this move makes any lick of sense is if they address some of the actual problems on this roster.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

While it's good to see they're trying to fix areas of weakness on the team, what exactly does putting Khudobin on waivers do to fill the gaping holes they have on defense? What does it do to fix the lack of scoring from the forwards? To me, moving on from a guy that's played in all of 8 games does nothing to actually right the ship. The only way this move makes any lick of sense is if they address some of the actual problems on this roster.

well he has lost them 6 games and their save % when he plays is drastically worse than when Rask plays. Their two biggest problems have been inability to score goals and lack of a reliable backup. Giving McIntyre a shot is a potential step towards solving one of their bigger problems.

Just because a smaller, positive move doesn't solve every problem with the team doesn't mean it's a meaningless move.

 

[patty59]

While it's good to see they're trying to fix areas of weakness on the team, what exactly does putting Khudobin on waivers do to fill the gaping holes they have on defense? What does it do to fix the lack of scoring from the forwards? To me, moving on from a guy that's played in all of 8 games does nothing to actually right the ship. The only way this move makes any lick of sense is if they address some of the actual problems on this roster.

I agree, but this is a move that had to happen. It's disappointing that they'll probably end up not making a substantial move, but this seemed like a no-brainer.

 

[LSCII]

well he has lost them 7 games and their save % when he plays is drastically worse than when Rask plays. Their two biggest problems have been inability to score goals and lack of a reliable backup. Giving McIntyre a shot is a potential step towards solving one of their bigger problems.

Just because a smaller, positive move doesn't solve every problem with the team doesn't mean it's a meaningless move.

This is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, IMO. Yeah, maybe you get incrementally better, but it really doesn't address the elephant in the room if there isn't a subsequent followup move. This team can't score more than 2 goals a game. Moving him doesn't fix this.

 

[patty59]

This is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, IMO. Yeah, maybe you get incrementally better, but it really doesn't address the elephant in the room if there isn't a subsequent followup move. This team can't score more than 2 goals a game. Moving him doesn't fix this.

They put an underperformiong players on waivers and will call up a guy who is playing his best hockey right now. It's the logical move, it's not going to put them over the top, but it's move you make every single time.

 

[LSCII]

I agree, but this is a move that had to happen. It's disappointing that they'll probably end up not making a substantial move, but this seemed like a no-brainer.

Sure. He's been bad, but so have the other options they've tried when he was out. That doesn't scream goaltender issue. It screams defensive issue. No backup is going to fix that, regardless of whom they bring in. It also further proves the point that unless they get Vezina caliber net play every night, they start off each game with a razor thin margin for error that puts winning out of reach. Now if they move on from him, and use the cap savings to address the d, or improve the forward scoring, okay. Without that kind of followup move though, meh. Much ado about nothing.

 

[LSCII]

They put an underperformiong players on waivers and will call up a guy who is playing his best hockey right now. It's the logical move, it's not going to put them over the top, but it's move you make every single time.

Sure, I guess. And it's fine. I don't really care about moving on from Khudobin. I do however question how much of the under performance is on him or the defense? Like if he goes down to Providence (should he clear) and lights it up (like Mcintyre did), what do they do next?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

This is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic, IMO. Yeah, maybe you get incrementally better, but it really doesn't address the elephant in the room if there isn't a subsequent followup move. This team can't score more than 2 goals a game. Moving him doesn't fix this.

is anyone saying that this move alone should fix all the Bruins problems? Who are you arguing with here?

And again, I would argue that this is their 2nd biggest problem right now, so I think it's more significant than just rearranging the deck chairs. Rask has been terrific, so when your backup is playing ECHL-level bad it hurts the team tremendously. Dobby earned 3 out of a potential 14 points in his starts. If they had instead gone say 4-3 in those games they'd be tied for first in the division right now.

Now there's no guarantee Zane is going to be the answer, but he has been stellar in providence so hopefully he gives them some stability and the option to rest Rask and not have to pencil those games in as a loss.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Sure, I guess. And it's fine. I don't really care about moving on from Khudobin. I do however question how much of the under performance is on him or the defense? Like if he goes down to Providence (should he clear) and lights it up (like Mcintyre did), what do they do next?

7th in the league in goals against and they have the best shot attempt differential in the league. They've been pretty solid defensively this year. Yes Rask is a part of that, but we're talking a more than 4% swing in save percentage between the two goalies. That's definitely not all on the defense (or even mostly on the defense)

 

[LSCII]

is anyone saying that this move alone should fix all the Bruins problems? Who are you arguing with here?

And again, I would argue that this is their 2nd biggest problem right now, so I think it's more significant than just rearranging the deck chairs. Rask has been terrific, so when your backup is playing ECHL-level bad it hurts the team tremendously. Dobby earned 3 out of a potential 14 points in his starts. If they had instead gone say 4-3 in those games they'd be tied for first in the division right now.

Now there's no guarantee Zane is going to be the answer, but he has been stellar in providence so hopefully he gives them some stability and the option to rest Rask and not have to pencil those games in as a loss.

I think you're giving too much credit to this being the second biggest issue they have. In reality, everyone else other than Rask has looked brutal in net this year. You can chalk it up to bad net play, but the truth is that it's more likely tied to bad defensive play more so than that. If they don't get Vezina level play in net, they lose. That's not on a backup. That's on the roster lacking enough talent on the back end to need a goalie to play .930 save percentage type of goal just to give them a chance to win. It's absurd to say it's on the backup if you're being honest about what this team really is, imo.

 

[LSCII]

7th in the league in goals against and they have the best shot attempt differential in the league. They've been pretty solid defensively this year. Yes Rask is a part of that, but we're talking a more than 4% swing in save percentage between the two goalies. That's definitely not all on the defense (or even mostly on the defense)

And what happens when Rask doesn't play? Says everything you need to know, IMO...

 

[OldScool]

They put an underperformiong players on waivers and will call up a guy who is playing his best hockey right now. It's the logical move, it's not going to put them over the top, but it's move you make every single time.

I agree…but why is Hayes still on the roster?

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

And what happens when Rask doesn't play? Says everything you need to know, IMO...

that Khudobin is terrible? I mean why are you trying so hard to argue around the obvious answer here?

 

[patty59]

I agree…but why is Hayes still on the roster?

I have no idea. At least he's getting scractched frequently

 

[patty59]

And what happens when Rask doesn't play? Says everything you need to know, IMO...

They lose, which is probably why they're trying a different back up.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

tell you what, why not just make Sarah Davis their backup? I mean it doesn't matter anyway, right? Their defense sucks and nothing matters unless they're bringing in a 30+ goal scorer so why bother improving anything else about the team?

 

[LSCII]

that Khudobin is terrible? I mean why are you trying so hard to argue around the obvious answer here?

Because I think people are taking the obvious answer without questioning why they huge drop off in net when it's anyone else other than Rask. To me, that's what's obvious. Even if you look at Rask, if he doesn't have a good save percentage, the team usually loses.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/3405/tuukka-rask

Again, it's great you have faith that the issues are with Khudobin. Me? I'm not so convinced at this point. It'll be fun to see Mcintyre get a shot since he's earned it, but let's not forget he's already gotten a couple of games here this year and looked about the same as Anton.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

Because I think people are taking the obvious answer without questioning why they huge drop off in net when it's anyone else other than Rask. To me, that's what's obvious. Even if you look at Rask, if he doesn't have a good save percentage, the team usually loses.

http://www.espn.com/nhl/player/gamelog/_/id/3405/tuukka-rask

Again, it's great you have faith that the issues are with Khudobin. Me? I'm not so convinced at this point. It'll be fun to see Mcintyre get a shot since he's earned it, but let's not forget he's already gotten a couple of games here this year and looked about the same as Anton.

It's definitely fair to question why Subban & Zane didn't play better. It sounds like we're going to find out soon enough.

With that said their starts were early in the year when the team was still finding its legs and their callups at the time were pretty unexpected. I think they were thrown to the wolves a bit and overwhelmed but Zane looked decent in his last start and has been the best goalie in the AHL since being sent back down. I'll be pretty surprised if he doesn't play much better assuming he gets some starts in this upcoming stint.

Anyway I think there's two things to debate here. Debating whether or not they have a viable backup in their system is one thing. But what I really took issue with is basically crapping on this move just because it's not the silver bullet that solves all their problems. I just don't like the mentality that only the biggest move matters.

 

[mjhfb]

Just wondering how the record would be different if they kept Martin Jones...