Value of: Anthony Cirelli

[Perratrooper]

The GMs make the deal dude…we’re just spitballing here. Calm down


Buffalo wouldn’t give up that much for Colton. Maybe just the 2nd.

Not sure if you are a Buffalo fan or just your general thought, but when I talked to Sabres fans they seemed on board with that sort of trade

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Not sure if you are a Buffalo fan or just your general thought, but when I talked to Sabres fans they seemed on board with that sort of trade

I probably would do it, just don’t think the Sabres GM would. I think they still value Krebs a ton, though I’m not entirely sure he’s earned that.

Yes, they can trade Jeannot, Perbix and Sheary and make the roster work fine with either 21 or 22, depending on what Stamkos signs for and how.much they want to spend on a bottom 6 F piece. They should trade those three for whatever they can get(or add a sweetener perhaps in the case of Sheary) to keep the top 6 as intact as possible. It is preferable to taking scrap offers for thelr 2C.

Then you don’t have enough players for the roster. I guess if you have enough ELC players waiting in the wings it could work.

 

[KrakenSabresMike]

Also I'd rather trade Savoie than Kulich but that's just me. I can't see the Lightning taking on Ostlund or Rosén, they're looking for someone more cooked.

Which I guess you could argue that Rosén isn't that far off Kulich. But I think Tampa would be looking for the name recognition.

You are crazy if you’re bringing up Savoie in this trade discussion…also Kulich may be 50/50
To be a 60 pt player but he also will make more than 5mil/year less than cirelli the next 3 years - you can’t discuss the trade or price without accounting for the negative value of an almost 7 mil salary for 7 years for a sub 50 pt player

 

[Clint Eastwood]

There's some seemingly bad blood between Lindholm and Carolina. Not putting a reuinion out of the question but I don't think we are on his list of desired destinations. But yes, Lindholm playing at his full abilities would be an excellent 2C option. You never know.

Lindholm mocking the storm surge clap a couple years ago seemed to indicate that his time in Carolina wasn't all peaches and cream haha. Time heals all wounds though you never know.

 

[MOGlLNY]

You are crazy if you’re bringing up Savoie in this trade discussion…also Kulich may be 50/50
To be a 60 pt player but he also will make more than 5mil/year less than cirelli the next 3 years - you can’t discuss the trade or price without accounting for the negative value of an almost 7 mil salary for 7 years for a sub 50 pt player

Savoie has hurt his same shoulder 2 times definitely and possibly 3 times since his draft year, I'm more than willing to put him on the block considering his play style. For me personally it's a concern.

Also Andrew Copp is making 5.65 million, Cirelli is a far superior player at 6.25. He's not that overpaid especially with a rising cap.

Not to mention he does not have trade protection. Not sure why this is so hard to comprehend for some Sabres fans that until we are good we are going to be on nearly everyone's no trade lists. Heavily limiting our options on who we can go out and get.

Sabres can make Cirelli work just fine, they'd be spending about 22ish million on their 3 centers. That's absolutely palatable. I don't give a shit about the Sabres cap crunch in 2029 and neither should you if you have any interest in breaking the drought. Good GMs find their way out of it.

 

[Scintillating10]

Cirelli has 7 years left at 6.3m. That's big contract for 40 points.

 

[Stelio Kontos]

Cirelli has 7 years left at 6.3m. That's big contract for 40 points.

Because there has been 0 evidence of players improving once they got traded or put in another role right? He's signed thru his prime.. 26-33.. Cirelli puts up 10 more points hell even 5 and this contract is fair value.

Anyone who watches TB instead of stat watching like a casual can see the value Cirelli brings

 

[JTBF81]

I probably would do it, just don’t think the Sabres GM would. I think they still value Krebs a ton, though I’m not entirely sure he’s earned that.


Then you don’t have enough players for the roster. I guess if you have enough ELC players waiting in the wings it could work.

Tampa has run 22 quite often the past few years, so it won't be a problem if they have to do so again. It doesn't change the fact that trading Cirelli for scraps isn't happening nor needed.

 

[tsujimoto74]

I would trade Cirelli for Kulich and Ostlund

I’m sure you would.

Way too many people in here thinking Cirelli is going to return a package similar to the one that brought ROR to Buffalo. He’s not that good. Not by a long shot.

 

[Rschmitz]

Tampa does need to trade someone if they sign Stamkos. I’d simply just not sign Stamkos if I were GMJB…that’s the smartest move they can make here.

Thankfully you aren't the GM, they can trade a few other smaller pieces to make ends meet as long as Stamkos is reasonable with his demands.

 

[JTBF81]

I’m sure you would.

Way too many people in here thinking Cirelli is going to return a package similar to the one that brought ROR to Buffalo. He’s not that good. Not by a long shot.

In your opinion, cool. Thankfully, by all accounts Tampa's management would never value him as low as most of the lowball offers on here.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Tampa has run 22 quite often the past few years, so it won't be a problem if they have to do so again. It doesn't change the fact that trading Cirelli for scraps isn't happening nor needed.

They may need to run 20 next season

Thankfully you aren't the GM, they can trade a few other smaller pieces to make ends meet as long as Stamkos is reasonable with his demands.

What's reasonable? Even if they sign him for $6M, they have to trade away a solid player just to get under the cap...and they still don't have a full roster. I'm just not seeing how the math works but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

 

[JTBF81]

They may need to run 20 next season


What's reasonable? Even if they sign him for $6M, they have to trade away a solid player just to get under the cap...and they still don't have a full roster. I'm just not seeing how the math works but I guess we'll find out soon enough.

They can run either 21 or 22 by moving Jeannot, Perbix, and Sheary. They sacrifice some on the amount they can spend on the last couple of F spots, but it is possible. Stamkos may not even come in as high as 6, given how Brisebois has said they still have some room to extend him. They won't be running 20.

 

[WingsToPick4th]

Would bolts consider Andrew Copp @50% (3 years left at 2.8M) + a 2nd round pick + young prospect who’s NHL ready like Jonatan Berggren ?

Would allow them to replace Cirelli with another cheaper defensively responsible 3C who can kill PKs for shorter term while also giving a cheap skilled winger and room to sign Stamkos?

 

[norrisnick]

Would bolts consider Andrew Copp @50% (3 years left at 2.8M) + a 2nd round pick + young prospect who’s NHL ready like Jonatan Berggren ?

Would allow them to replace Cirelli with another cheaper defensively responsible 3C who can kill PKs for shorter term while also giving a cheap skilled winger and room to sign Stamkos?

They really need to add vomit and/or crying reactions...

 

[DistantThunderRep]

They really need to add vomit and/or crying reactions...

Pick one

 

[rt]

Cirelli to Utah for 38th overall and 49th overall?

 

[Vasilevskiy]

I’m sure you would.

Way too many people in here thinking Cirelli is going to return a package similar to the one that brought ROR to Buffalo. He’s not that good. Not by a long shot.

That was 3 players (2 former 1st rounders IIRC), another 1st and a 2nd. I just said 2 prospects, which are not even your best ones.

 

[tsujimoto74]

That was 3 players (2 former 1st rounders IIRC), another 1st and a 2nd. I just said 2 prospects, which are not even your best ones.

It was Zadorov (then one of our top prospects and a recent mid-1st rounder), Compher (a then recent high 2nd coming off a somewhat disappointing college season), and the 31st overall (then the 1st pick of the 2nd round). Grigorenko was already busting and was a throw-in reclamation project. We also got Jamie McGinn from the Avs. Kulich and Ostlund are both much closer in value to what Zadorov was than anything else in that package, and again, Cirelli is no O’Reilly.

 

[Vasilevskiy]

It was Zadorov (then one of our top prospects and a recent mid-1st rounder), Compher (a then recent high 2nd coming off a somewhat disappointing college season), and the 31st overall (then the 1st pick of the 2nd round). Grigorenko was already busting and was a throw-in reclamation project. We also got Jamie McGinn from the Avs. Kulich and Ostlund are both much closer in value to what Zadorov was than anything else in that package, and again, Cirelli is no O’Reilly.

Thought you meant the trade with St Louis

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

They really need to add vomit and/or crying reactions...

They have them -- you just don't see them much because many of the posters are adults who are just having a conversation about hockey.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Thought you meant the trade with St Louis

That one isn’t a good comparison anyway because it had nearly perfectly offsetting cap dumps coming to Buffalo. Tampa presumably only moves Cirelli if it clears cap and isn’t going by eat $6m of negative value players.

 

[freester]

I think from Buffalo’s point of view, they would trade Rosen for Cirelli. I think it’s a fair trade for both sides and Rosen is ready to play at NHL level now.

 

[Flat Ronnie]

Tampa does need to trade someone if they sign Stamkos. I’d simply just not sign Stamkos if I were GMJB…that’s the smartest move they can make here.

That would be the dumbest thing our GM could do. Stamkos just scored 40 goals (AGAIN), was our best player for the last 3 months (including the playoffs) and showed no sign of slowing.

On the open market he could get 8-9M. He's most likely gonna cut us a deal to stay. Yeah, let's dump that to keep Anthony Cirelli and Connor Sheary.

 

[MOGlLNY]

I think from Buffalo’s point of view, they would trade Rosen for Cirelli. I think it’s a fair trade for both sides and Rosen is ready to play at NHL level now.

Rosén is a very under the radar guy who a few of our posters who take in a lot of Rochester games don't think is that far off Kulich. But he's not a sexy name so if we put him out there I assume we'll be accused of trying to sell Tampa junk. Which couldn't be farther from the truth, he's a dark horse to make the team over Kulich.