Post-Game Talk: Another Shit Effort, Another Predictable Loss, Rinse, Repeat

[Evilhomer]

Wasn’t that Ftorek as well?

That was old Lou. Current Lou should have fired Lane Lambert last season but yet he is still there.

 

[Racer88]

The first round pick is guaranteed to be dealt.

That’s would be a major mistake. We are going to need those picks in 2 years when we need a retool because there is nothing Tre can do at the deadline to fix this team

 

[Stephen]

I love how after a good game we're still going to see people on here saying this team can win the cup. Wake up my friends, this iteration of the Leafs are not cup contenders.

We need to demand some serious change, it is the same thing every season with zero results. Lets not waste Matthews career, we need to build something around him, something real, something for the playoffs, not just regular season hotdog hockey which is all this team is good for.

It’s very clear the Leafs are trying to build around Matthews. But game to game I don’t think you actually get a consistent version of what Auston Matthews is… is he a committed 200 foot Kopitar and throwing his body in the way to block shots, exert intense puck stripping back pressure? Is he a pure goal scoring only machine like Ovechkin? Is he a driven franchise center who can put a team on his back and gamebreak? Is he a passive all skills duo with Mitch Marner? So much of what he brings game to game will inform the vibe around the Leafs any given night. I still feel like it’s not consistent what you get out of him game to game.

 

[Hellcat]

Wasn’t that Ftorek as well?

No need to swear dude!

 

[Racer88]

It’s very clear the Leafs are trying to build around Matthews. But game to game I don’t think you actually get a consistent version of what Auston Matthews is… is he a committed 200 foot Kopitar and throwing his body in the way to block shots, exert intense puck stripping back pressure? Is he a pure goal scoring only machine like Ovechkin? Is he a driven franchise center who can put a team on his back and gamebreak? Is he a passive all skills duo with Mitch Marner? So much of what he brings game to game will inform the vibe around the Leafs any given night. I still feel like it’s not consistent what you get out of him game to game.

With an 8 year contract I would say they are building around Nylander

 

[mikeyz]

 

[Hellcat]

It’s very clear the Leafs are trying to build around Matthews. But game to game I don’t think you actually get a consistent version of what Auston Matthews is… is he a committed 200 foot Kopitar and throwing his body in the way to block shots, exert intense puck stripping back pressure? Is he a pure goal scoring only machine like Ovechkin? Is he a driven franchise center who can put a team on his back and gamebreak? Is he a passive all skills duo with Mitch Marner? So much of what he brings game to game will inform the vibe around the Leafs any given night. I still feel like it’s not consistent what you get out of him game to game.

Dont get a consistent version of what Austin Matthews can be ... 33 goals on 40 games, serious question, who is more consistent than that?

Which player is consistent every game?

 

[Gabriel426]

Keefe in general is a structure guy.... I theorize, that the players have just stopped playing whatever structure he wants. I think they've tuned him out.

I agree with everything else you say, that they aren't playing like a team, and agree that when they play well as a team, that they can be the best in the league.. but often they just lack the effort, or discipline to do that.

I think Keefe like all coaches got ideas but he either lacks the players buying in or his ideas just sucks and the players just tune him out.
Leadership in the locker room is important esp when the team is not winning. However, I do believe the players just think this is normal as they can just turn it up whenever. If they win the next 4 games all will be good again.

 

[ToneDog]

Dont get a consistent version of what Austin Matthews can be ... 33 goals on 40 games, serious question, who is more consistent than that?

Which player is consistent every game

Matty has zero goals in 20 games and 33 in 20 games. Far from consistent.

Kutch, Pasta, MacKinnon, McDavid, Pettersson, Reinhart, Nylander, Miller are what I would call consistent players this year.

 

[Gabriel426]

That’s would be a major mistake. We are going to need those picks in 2 years when we need a retool because there is nothing Tre can do at the deadline to fix this team

That might be a blessing in disguise as they won’t be wasting picks for rentals.

 

[Gary Nylund]

That’s would be a major mistake. We are going to need those picks in 2 years when we need a retool because there is nothing Tre can do at the deadline to fix this team

It wouldn't surprise me if Tre did it anyway, he might rate this team much higher than he should.

The best thing might be for this team to go on a brutal losing streak and miss the playoffs. That might be enough to at least get Tre thinking that perhaps signing Marner for a bajillion dollars and thereby locking in the 3 amigos with NMC's might not be the no-brainer he might think it is. And if we're sellers at the deadline, we could re-stock the cupboards, could go a long way to improving our chances of going deep over the next 5 years or so, slim as they are.

 

[Hellcat]

Matty has zero goals in 20 games and 33 in 20 games. Far from consistent.

Kutch, Pasta, MacKinnon, McDavid, Pettersson, Reinhart, Nylander, Miller are what I would call consistent players this year.

Some people call that a game breaker but if you want to shit on Matty for being a game breaker, fill yer boots. you could look at it as, Matty will win you 50% of the games almost all on his own but again you do you.

 

[ToneDog]

Some people call that a game breaker but if you want to shit on Matty for being a game breaker, fill yer boots. you could look at it as, Matty will win you 50% of the games almost all on his own but again you do you.

What? You asked who has been more consistent than Matty and I answered with stats. If you want to call that shitting on him, you might be too sensitive.

BTW we are not paying him $13.25m per year to win us half the games on his own. We are paying him to show up for most games. You know like the players I listed.

 

[rumman]

How?

The cap is going up $5 mil next year and Nylander going from $7 mil to $11.5 mil eats up $4.5 mil of that increase alone.

Matthews going up from $11.6 to $13.25 mil eats up another $1.65 mil putting Leafs in the red just handing out raises and needing to cut other places.

The following year it goes up again $5 mil and Marner's new raise and Matthews will eat up most of that.

Leafs are constantly chasing their own tails giving their own overpaid players raises to address the rest of the team.

The cap is PROJECTED to go up, once again spending raises that haven’t happened………

I see Shanahan and Tre re-signing Tavares for the old Nylander contract. Around 7 million. Nothing this management has done suggests they offer low and the players haven’t shown they take it. They wouldn’t insult him with 5 million.

Stupid is as stupid does……..

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

The cap is PROJECTED to go up, once again spending raises that haven’t happened………


Stupid is as stupid does……..

Even if the cap DOES go up, they really needed that cap relief to be spent on depth. Not pre-committing it to the core.

 

[rumman]

if leafs don’t win a cup with this core there will be hell to pay

By who? You think season ticket holders will give up their tickets? Too funny, MLSE knows that will never happen, they abuse their fanbase’s loyalty……..

How do the fans do that?

Stop attending games, or better yet give up your season’s ticket subscription………

 

[ToneDog]

Even if the cap DOES go up, they really needed that cap relief to be spent on depth. Not pre-committing it to the core.

Willie and Matty not only took the cap increase, they took an additional $2m. Pretty much shows everybody how much they want to win. Sorry Shanny, these are not the character guys I want leading my team.

 

[Stephen]

No need to swear dude!

I thought you wrote sweater at first glance.

 

[Superstar]

He had the 3 amigos on when MacKinnon scored the late game winner the previous night.

Keefe continues to prove his inadequacy...Matthews and Nylander were terrible on that MacKinnon goal...those two were no where to be seen, only Marner hustled back on the play...Keefe then punished his entire team by jumbling the lines so much against Detroit that they were disjointed...Gregor, Kampf and Knies on in the last 2 minutes of a tied game is bone-headed...the loss to Detroit is inexcusable.

 

[Stephen]

Dont get a consistent version of what Austin Matthews can be ... 33 goals on 40 games, serious question, who is more consistent than that?

Which player is consistent every game?

Matthews is a streaky scorer, so I wouldn't put the games to goals ratio up as example of consistency.

But when you look at the way he strips pucks, back checks, blocks shots, is dominant carrying the puck through the neutral zone... you don't always get that version of him. And that version of him isn't always tied to production either.

 

[JL17]

Not sure it was a shit effort as the title says , I thought for the first time the team actually looked like a team and not a team that was only interested in personal stats.

Keefe could have, a couple of times, put out the Marner/Matthews line to generate a little offence. The lines looked like lines that were just put together (because they were), very little chemistry but I think with time if Keefe sticks with this we will be a better team, top to bottom, vs being a two line team.

I've always subscribed to the model that you need to spread out your scoring talent among the top 3 lines and make the bottom line a pest, crash and bang, speed line. Not sure we have exactly that but this team looks closer to a balanced team.

I think for the top line Holmberg needs to be a distraction so either Willie or Matty can get lost in coverage, not sure I want either one of those guys carrying the puck through the neutral zone. Domi needs to learn to shoot as hard as he passes, that line might be something with some time, it's 2/3rds of the Knights top line, did they win the Mem Cup that year? I think Dvorak was the 3 forward on that line.

Dvorak Tkachuk and Marner was the Mem Cup line. Domi wasn’t in the OHL.

 

[Confucius]

Matty has zero goals in 20 games and 33 in 20 games. Far from consistent.

Kutch, Pasta, MacKinnon, McDavid, Pettersson, Reinhart, Nylander, Miller are what I would call consistent players this year.

McDavid led the league by 30 plus points last year, even with a 7 point night, he is 7th and 15 points behind kucherov, doesn’t seem to consistent to me

 

[eramosat]

Keefe continues to prove his inadequacy...Matthews and Nylander were terrible on that MacKinnon goal...those two were no where to be seen, only Marner hustled back on the play...Keefe then punished his entire team by jumbling the lines so much against Detroit that they were disjointed...Gregor, Kampf and Knies on in the last 2 minutes of a tied game is bone-headed...the loss to Detroit is inexcusable.

Keefe simply does not demonstrate any coaching acumen to maintain an NHL level position. His only NHL position is based on pretty insane nepotism, and features a massive power imbalance between himself and the players that make up the majority of the effectiveness of the team. Because he is so puny and inexperienced, and they are so all_NHL powerful, and completely responsible for the team's success, and his continued job as a head coach. Crazytown. And that he has learned on the job to do anything useful is not borne out by any evidence. Which the GMs and President of the day bear significant fingerprints.

Leafs rolled the draft dice 3 years in a row and came up AWESOME! Period. End of story. It rivals the Penguins three-peat and Canadian's early 70's fleecing-s. And they haven't done anything noteworthy beyond those lucky dice rolls besides stayed in the game.

This is how Leafs Nation went from all-time playoff absence record! to immediate Cup-maybe in one/two seasons but are still maintaining similar fan frustration levels.

 

[Confucius]

By who? You think season ticket holders will give up their tickets? Too funny, MLSE knows that will never happen, they abuse their fanbase’s loyalty……..


Stop attending games, or better yet give up your season’s ticket subscription………

People have gotten pretty much as much as they could over the last 2 3 4 5 even 6 years. Top 5 regular season team, would have loved to see a President’s trophy but not quite good enough. Now the playoffs are another matter, complete failure so don’t buy playoff tickets. I guess they are forced on the season ticket holders though. Too bad.

 

[ACC1224]

By who? You think season ticket holders will give up their tickets? Too funny, MLSE knows that will never happen, they abuse their fanbase’s loyalty……..


Stop attending games, or better yet give up your season’s ticket subscription………

How about I sell them to you and you don’t use them.