Player Discussion Andrew Peeke

[Gonzothe7thDman]

For the people touting Boston’s “structure” as being beneficial to getting Peeke on track, keep in mind the Bruins gave up a lot of high danger scoring chances last season.

Last I checked the Bruins had a top 5 number of high danger chances against. Which means their duo covered for a lot of holes last season.

If our structure is anything like it was last season we are going to need Swayman to have a vezina level season to make the POs

 

[BiteThisBurrows]

For the people touting Boston’s “structure” as being beneficial to getting Peeke on track, keep in mind the Bruins gave up a lot of high danger scoring chances last season.

Last I checked the Bruins had a top 5 number of high danger chances against. Which means their duo covered for a lot of holes last season.

If our structure is anything like it was last season we are going to need Swayman to have a vezina level season to make the POs

Keep in mind we had the D press a lot because the forwards were often struggling to score. This might repeat next year of course.

 

[LSCII]

Keep in mind we had the D press a lot because the forwards were often struggling to score. This might repeat next year of course.

The forwards struggled to score because the roster lacked top 6 skilled players. Something they're still lacking this year. Something that Korpisalo's and Peeke's money could have helped fill, and is a far bigger need than a bottom of the roster pairing depth guy and a backup goalie. Which has been my point all along.

Is it smart to overpay for bottom of the roster depth players while leaving top of the roster holes unfilled?

 

[False Start]

The forwards struggled to score because the roster lacked top 6 skilled players. Something they're still lacking this year. Something that Korpisalo's and Peeke's money could have helped fill, and is a far bigger need than a bottom of the roster pairing depth guy and a backup goalie. Which has been my point all along.

Is it smart to overpay for bottom of the roster depth players while leaving top of the roster holes unfilled?

No but according to this board, Peeke is an obvious upgrade over Shattenkirk and Wotherspoon at 3x their price.

Oh wait, there's nothing to back up that claim but let's just parade his salary comparisons and say who cares to your question.

 

[NDiesel]

I’d say it’s the other way, actually. So many people here refuse to accept that he’s an overpaid bottom pairing, depth guy for whatever reason. They act like he’s a top pairing dman if anyone dares to be critical. So I’d say peeke is there new McAvoy, but most of his defenders wanted to run Charlie out of town during the playoffs.

Crazy, must be missing all these posts where anyone says he's a top pair guy, can you point them out for me?

Crazy exaggeration on your end here, but my point being both sides have dug into their opinion and aren't budging much like with Gryz.

For the people touting Boston’s “structure” as being beneficial to getting Peeke on track, keep in mind the Bruins gave up a lot of high danger scoring chances last season.

Last I checked the Bruins had a top 5 number of high danger chances against. Which means their duo covered for a lot of holes last season.

If our structure is anything like it was last season we are going to need Swayman to have a vezina level season to make the POs

We are also talking about going from the defensive "structure" of Columbus to Boston here, still a big improvement.

 

[UncleRico]

No but according to this board, Peeke is an obvious upgrade over Shattenkirk and Wotherspoon at 3x their price.

Oh wait, there's nothing to back up that claim but let's just parade his salary comparisons and say who cares to your question.

And then act like it’s forbidden to put a cheaper left handed defensemen on 3rd pairing right side.

Apparently the Colorado avalanche are idiots for having two cheap left handed 3rd pairing defenders in Brannstrom(1 year $900k) Calvin De haan(1 year $800k). One of them will have to play the right side.

 

[BruinDust]

No but according to this board, Peeke is an obvious upgrade over Shattenkirk and Wotherspoon at 3x their price.

Oh wait, there's nothing to back up that claim but let's just parade his salary comparisons and say who cares to your question.

How about a 10-year age difference between Shattenkirk and Peeke?

Let's use the good old fashioned eye test. Shattenkirk looked cooked in the 2nd half and in the playoffs. Peeke wasn't perfect but at least he looked like he could keep up to the pace of play.

 

[NDiesel]

And then act like it’s forbidden to put a cheaper left handed defensemen on 3rd pairing right side.

Apparently the Colorado avalanche are idiots for having two cheap left handed 3rd pairing defenders in Brannstrom(1 year $900k) Calvin De haan(1 year $800k).

You realize Avs have no cap space right? People shit on Sweeney for painting himself into a corner last year and having to rely on cheap vets on min contracts, I believe you specifically were vocal about his cap management, but now when the Avs have no choice but to sign guys for minimum it's a good thing?

 

[UncleRico]

You realize Avs have no cap space right? People shit on Sweeney for painting himself into a corner last year and having to rely on cheap vets on min contracts, I believe you specifically were vocal about his cap management, but now when the Avs have no choice but to sign guys for minimum it's a good thing?

Yes the Avs have no cap space because they spent it on top 6 forwards and top 4 defense.

This is what I want the bruins to do.

Especially for the playoffs when 4th liners and 3rd pairing D play less minutes.

After the bruins sign swayman they’ll be left with very little cap space too.

 

[NDiesel]

Yes the Avs have no cap space because they spent it on top 6 forwards and top 4 defense.

This is what I want the bruins to do.

Especially for the playoffs when 4th liners and 3rd pairing D play less minutes.

After the bruins sign swayman they’ll be left with very little cap space too.

But the point is it isn't a choice to cheap out on those positions, they have 13 mil in guys who might not even play next year and are pretty handcuffed because of that.

On top of that they too are slotting guys into their top 6 who shouldn't be there just like us.

Only thing they have going for them is they probably throw Landy on LTIR again and can add a guy at the deadline

 

[UncleRico]

But the point is it isn't a choice to cheap out on those positions, they have 13 mil in guys who might not even play next year and are pretty handcuffed because of that.

On top of that they too are slotting guys into their top 6 who shouldn't be there just like us.

Only thing they have going for them is they probably throw Landy on LTIR again and can add a guy at the deadline

Well yes they are going to have to slot a guy in their top 6 because Valerie nichushkin is an idiot and can’t stop doing cocaine. And landeskog is injured.

Bad break for them but the model is there and has won them a cup.

The bruins aren’t in that situation. They are healthy and cap strapped with terrible right wingers after pastrnak.

 

[MarchysNoseKnows]

But the point is it isn't a choice to cheap out on those positions, they have 13 mil in guys who might not even play next year and are pretty handcuffed because of that.

On top of that they too are slotting guys into their top 6 who shouldn't be there just like us.

Only thing they have going for them is they probably throw Landy on LTIR again and can add a guy at the deadline

They also have by far the smallest defense in the league. By a landslide.

 

[NDiesel]

Well yes they are going to have to slot a guy in their top 6 because Valerie nichushkin is an idiot and can’t stop doing cocaine. And landeskog is injured.

Bad break for them but the model is there and has won them a cup.

The bruins aren’t in that situation. They are healthy and cap strapped with terrible right wingers after pastrnak.

FWIW the year they won they paid their D 27 mil....Bruins are at just over 28 mil right now. So even with an "overpaid" Peeke they aren't overspending at the position compared to the model for a cup that you say they have and we don't.

Where they decided to cheap out was the G position.

 

[LSCII]

How about a 10-year age difference between Shattenkirk and Peeke?

Let's use the good old fashioned eye test. Shattenkirk looked cooked in the 2nd half and in the playoffs. Peeke wasn't perfect but at least he looked like he could keep up to the pace of play.

You’re talking about overpaying for low level, bottom of the roster depth guys. By the literal definition of what they are they’re supposed to be cheap, disposable, and interchangeable. Overpaying for that is beyond f***ing stupid. It’s also something our GM has done continually, which is why they have holes on the top 6

 

[UncleRico]

How about a 10-year age difference between Shattenkirk and Peeke?

Let's use the good old fashioned eye test. Shattenkirk looked cooked in the 2nd half and in the playoffs. Peeke wasn't perfect but at least he looked like he could keep up to the pace of play.

So keeping up with the pace of play is worth $2.75m?

 

[Son of Donegal]

If Lohrei is on the bottom pair next season...that's an affordable bottom pairing next to Peeke. Likewise, if Carlo or McAvoy go down at any point next season (knock on wood) Peeke has experience playing in the top four. That's really important to consider.

As for high danger chances against the Bruins last season, you have to think having Lindholm taking key draws and circling low a la Bergeron will help with the Bruins zone exits. Poitras as also excellent at supporting D on Zone exits, so if he finds his way back into the line-up at C, that bodes well for BOS.

Having a consistently huge presence like Zadorov and a full season of Peeke blocking shots will help. They only had Peeke for a little over a dozen games last year. This is a whole new D.

As for Swayman...while I do think he will play close to Vezina level hockey next year, the Bruins led the conference for chunks of the season...do we REALLY think they get bounced from the playoffs if he doesn't stand on his head all season?

I get it. It is against conventional thought that Sweeney should have had to pay to get Peeke, especially at that contract. But, at the time of the move, he hadn't been waived or bought out and Sweeney needed to supplement the D. The scouts clearly saw a player they wanted in their system and feel he will live up to his contract...maybe as soon as this season, especially if he has to take reps in the top four due to injury.

 

[Gordon Lightfoot]

Well yes they are going to have to slot a guy in their top 6 because Valerie nichushkin is an idiot and can’t stop doing cocaine. And landeskog is injured.

Bad break for them but the model is there and has won them a cup.

The bruins aren’t in that situation. They are healthy and cap strapped with terrible right wingers after pastrnak.

We should follow the model of getting players as good as Rantanen, MacKinnon, and Makar.

 

[UncleRico]

We should follow the model of getting players as good as Rantanen, MacKinnon, and Makar.

I think we have quite a few good players.

At leas to me the issue has been spending too much on bottom pairing D and 4th liners in recent years.

Forbort, reilly, foligno, Moore, peeke, gryz, etc.

Bruins would be better served spending on top 6 forwards and top 4 D. Especially come playoff time when 3rd pairing D and 4th liners get less ice time.

 

[BruinDust]

Well yes they are going to have to slot a guy in their top 6 because Valerie nichushkin is an idiot and can’t stop doing cocaine. And landeskog is injured.

Bad break for them but the model is there and has won them a cup.

Their 3rd pair RD in 2022 was Erik Johnson making 6 million a year and averaged 17 minutes a night in the playoffs, the exact same amount he played in the regular season. And this is with a generational RD on the top pair and a big deadline acquisition (Manson) on RD 2nd pair.

Florida's 3rd pair cost 3.5 million last year. Saw their ice cut by a whole 180 seconds each in the playoffs vs the regular season. And still won a cup despite spending 14 million in goaltenders.

Vegas won a cup with their 3rd pair (Hague and Whitecloud) up to over 18 minutes a night and combined made 5 million.

Tampa Bay won a cup in 2021 and traded a 1st rounder at the deadline to rent David Savard to play 14 minutes a night.

The Blues in 2019 had their 5th and 6th D in ice-time averaging 15 minutes a night. Dunn was still on his ELC but Gunnarsson was making 2.9 million.

History says that your 5th and 6th D being replaceable players making league minimum is a losing strategy to building a cup champion if we are basing it on recent cup champions. Cups are king right?

 

[UncleRico]

Their 3rd pair RD in 2022 was Erik Johnson making 6 million a year and averaged 17 minutes a night in the playoffs, the exact same amount he played in the regular season. And this is with a generational RD on the top pair and a big deadline acquisition (Manson) on RD 2nd pair.

Florida's 3rd pair cost 3.5 million last year. Saw their ice cut by a whole 180 seconds each in the playoffs vs the regular season. And still won a cup despite spending 14 million in goaltenders.

Vegas won a cup with their 3rd pair (Hague and Whitecloud) up to over 18 minutes a night and combined made 5 million.

Tampa Bay won a cup in 2021 and traded a 1st rounder at the deadline to rent David Savard to play 14 minutes a night.

The Blues in 2019 had their 5th and 6th D in ice-time averaging 15 minutes a night. Dunn was still on his ELC but Gunnarsson was making 2.9 million.

History says that your 5th and 6th D being replaceable players making league minimum is a losing strategy to building a cup champion if we are basing it on recent cup champions. Cups are king right?

No Erik Johnson was 2nd pair entering the season when they constructed the roster with the cap they had until they acquired mason/byram at the deadline.

Go look at the avs 2021/2022 stats and check games played and average time on ice.

If the bruins want to go out and acquire deadline guys that push our 2nd pair down to 3rd pair then great.

 

[BruinDust]

No Erik Johnson was 2nd pair entering the season when they constructed the roster with the cap they had until they acquired mason/byram at the deadline.

Go look at the avs 2021/2022 stats and check games played and average time on ice.

If the bruins want to go out and acquire deadline guys that push our 2nd pair down to 3rd pair then great.

Bowen Byram was acquired at the deadline in 2022? Do tell.

That is just as much fiction as your imaginary 3rd pair of De Haan and Branstrom.

So pushing 6 million dollar D-men down to the 3rd pair is perfectly fine, just as long as it's done at deadline time and not at the beginning of the season?

What about the other examples I cited? Those models don't count I guess.

 

[JOKER 192]

We should follow the model of getting players as good as Rantanen, MacKinnon, and Makar.

Ok, but that model includes several years of finishing near the bottom to acquire the picks necessary.

 

[Over the volcano]

Ok, but that model includes several years of finishing near the bottom to acquire the picks necessary.

Meanwhile we're stuck with scrubs like Pastrnak, McAvoy and Swayman.

 

[UncleRico]

Bowen Byram was acquired at the deadline in 2022? Do tell.

That is just as much fiction as your imaginary 3rd pair of De Haan and Branstrom.

So pushing 6 million dollar D-men down to the 3rd pair is perfectly fine, just as long as it's done at deadline time and not at the beginning of the season?

What about the other examples I cited? Those models don't count I guess.

Sorry misspoke, meant to say acquired mason/byram BACK at the deadline. Byram played 19 career games before the 21/22 season. He wasn’t in their plans for a top 4 role when they were constructing the roster with their available cap the season before. Erik Johnson however was.

Don’t act like they paid Erik Johnson to be their third pairing D. He was playing 23 minutes a night when given that contract in 2015. He was absolutely a top 4 guy when Colorado chose to pay him.


Bruins chose to bring in Peeke as a 3rd liner and pay him at that rate.

All your attempted comparisons are don’t really apply. Except Vegas

Also saying ice time ONLY got cut by 3 minutes (180s) for 3rd pairing is wild. So what like 20% cut to ice time lol that’s a ton.

 

[Son of Donegal]

No Erik Johnson was 2nd pair entering the season when they constructed the roster with the cap they had until they acquired mason/byram at the deadline.

Go look at the avs 2021/2022 stats and check games played and average time on ice.

If the bruins want to go out and acquire deadline guys that push our 2nd pair down to 3rd pair then great.

They probably don't need to with this roster unless they get killed by injuries. If Lohrei takes a big step and Zadorov slots down, then great!