Andrew Brunette DUI video released

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No sympathy for me or anyone that drives under the influence of drink and drugs. Especially someone of that age who should know a lot better and is in a position of authority themselves and whose job is to be a role model.

No wonder society is going to hell in a handbasket. Everything can be excused or forgiven and those trying to enforce the law are seen as the evil doers. The fact that it's only a golf cart and less likely to cause a pedestrian less hurt (though quite conceivably it could lead to injuries that kill an elderly person) is neither here and there.

Indeed people have died from idiots under the influence of alcohol driving carts via collisions or falling out onto a hard surface. Or suppose this idiot in a stupor drove out onto a main road into heavy traffic and got himself killed in a collision with a big SUV ?

The Hawks ought to make an example of him. And send him to a re-education course.
 
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The cop didn’t escalate the situation?!? He did everything he could, from his rude, sarcastic condescending attitude throughout, to this hyper aggressive swearing and doing just about anything he could to find a reason to throw him down. Andrew did nothing remotely threatening and the cop was a complete d*ck and tried, like many American cops, to create a reason to violently attack the guy. Total POS, no business being in any position of authority.
And yet when Brunette did give them reason to restrain him they didn't throw him down nor was he, as you say, "violently attacked". Your fantasy about what they supposedly wanted never came to pass even when the opportunity arose. No, they merely restrained him. Merely restraining him should surprise you given the degree you say he was looking for any reason do some gratuitous ass-kicking and how light you say his hair-trigger was.

"Rude, sarcastic, condescending, hyper-aggressive swearing, doing just about anything he could, violently attack". Man, your hyperbole in no way matches what happened the video. I doubt even the cop overtly ass-kissing combined with a display of apologetic subservience to the random, obviously inebriated dude he just pulled over would satisfy what you deem qualified to be in a position of power.
 
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Indeed people have died from idiots under the influence of alcohol driving carts via collisions or falling out onto a hard surface. Or suppose this idiot in a stupor drove out onto a main road into heavy traffic and got himself killed in a collision with a big SUV ?
Those are key points. Most of those downplaying the incident focus on what damage a golf cart can cause and ignore the real danger for death and injury which is that it's essentially a protection-less vehicle not unlike a motorcycle if you're hit by someone else. The chance of damaging something is less than a car but the chance for injury or death compared to a car skyrockets in a collision. The chances for the collision go up when situational awareness, judgement, reflexes are impaired under the influence.

Also something else conveniently ignored; the life of his wife, his passenger, she's his responsibility. She's exposed to the same dangers but it's almost as if she's considered expendable if one were to go by how many mentions she and his responsibility as her driver get.
 
You can drive drunk on a golf cart on a golf course because it’s private property and not a public road where actual motor vehicle laws would apply, that’s the simple reason for the difference, not because golf carts are less dangerous. Not disputing that golf carts are less dangerous, but that has nothing do do with being able to drink and drive on a golf course. We aren’t talking about a golf course either, if you are on the road, you need a license and insurance for the golf cart.
 
I can see it now....

A fully-committed Freedom Absolutist is out swinging his bat in the middle of the sidewalk, rendering it too dangerous to use unless he stops.

An approaching pedestrian sees this, analyzes the situation, and decides that someone who's purposely planted himself on the sidewalk instead of his perfectly good lawn where there would be no potential for injury to anyone else is either low-functioning or trying to make a point by being a dick.

Having no inclination or time to engage in conflict or a philosophical debate, and in keeping with a general rule to give dubious people a wide berth if possible, the pedestrian decides to cross the street to the other side, waits at the corner for the signal to change, then steps into the crosswalk whereupon he's promptly run over by a drunk-driving, whiny, self-anointed Sovereign Citizen who believes he can operate using his own childlike interpretation of how road rules and codes re behaviour apply using the long-forgotten and completely irrelevant Articles of Confederation instead of the US Constitution.

The pedestrian lays bleeding, limbs pointing in directions that shouldn't be possible. The pasta sheets his wife sent him to the store for will never make it back to the kitchen, that night's lasagna will remain unmade. He told her he'd walk instead of drive to the store "for exercise", but really it was so on the way home he could sneak a quick one from the pack of cigarettes he's secretly buy, knowing she'd be able to smell the stale smoke in the car later and he'd have to listen to her explaining...again...how he went back on his promise to quit the coffin nails.

The cops show up. Then, the ambulance.

As the EMT's begin to try and stop the bleeding, one of the cops spots a potential witness; a guy nearby on the sidewalk, inexplicably swinging a bat. As he approaches the neighbourhood Babe Ruth and begins to ask if he saw anything, he's instead told he has no right to ask him questions about anything, to stay off his property, and that he's exercising his Right to Freedom to swing for the fences at imaginary fastballs. The pedestrian, at the moment still lucid and observing, feels satisfied that at least his instincts were right about the bat swinger's vibe; weird, with an even weirder sense of priorities.

His attention is suddenly drawn to the sound of shattering glass accompanied by constant, high-pitched, girlish shrieking. The cop dealing with the drunk Sovereign Citizen driver who crushed him immediately lost his patience and then his shit, utterly and completely, when the Dbag driver predictably rolled his car window down exactly 1 inch, told the cop he was recording the encounter, and nervously began reciting his mornonic screed about how he "wasn't driving and didn't need a license because I'm "traveling" and under the Articl."...at which point the window and hell for him broke loose and the funny shrieking began. The pedestrian wasn't sure if it was the EMT's drugs taking effect or just the normal elation that came from watching the cop drag the dunce from his car and begin laying a remedial American History lesson on the fool through the forceful, repeated strokes of his baton. When another cop rolled up and added his taser to the class, the pedestrian softy chuckled, feeling pretty lucky that at least he got to see and hear what so many never get to witness; someone overflowing with so much annoying dipshittery finally getting what's coming to him.

He saw passersby gathering, some holding phones up to record the sights and sweet sounds of Mr. Articles of Confederation every time he learned another valuable historical point with each ride of the lightning, and wondered if they would keep their jobs after this, modern sensitivities being what they are. Knowing they might not, he silently thanked them for their sacrifice, and the show.

The pedestrian needn't have worried. Most of the phones were held up to take selfies which were later posted to social media accounts of those who breathlessly described the drama and trauma they suffered witnessing the affair. When collected as potential evidence, most offered no clear view of the righteous pummelling going on in the background due to stupidly pouty lips and over-protruding big butts arched in ridiculous poses blocking the real center of attention. Snippets and frames of those few that did show something of value only gained traction in the form of comical memes and GIFs because most people don't have an Outrage trigger or gather to demonstrate and certainly not to torch Starbucks and whatnot under the banner of "People We Don't Get What the F They're Talking About Lives Matter".

What the pedestrian did realize instead was, despite their best efforts, the EMTs weren't going to save him. He knew his ticket had been punched by that drunk-driving asshat on the ground next to his car getting his just rewards. But was it entirely that stupid SOB's fault?

What about the ridiculous bat swinger, still over there on the sidewalk where he had been but now feeling smug and victorious after the cop finally gave up trying to get any information about the accident, swinging with renewed vigour at the air filled with imaginary, Government black helicopter-harpies trying to obliterate his Freedom with rockets of Injustice?...it was he and his antics that began the chain of events, wasn't it? Couldn't he have just done his thing in his own friggin yard and none of this would have happened?

Then it hit him with great clarity: He was only walking in the first place because of his own wife...nagging about the cigarettes. Making him promise to quit..essentially forcing him to lie. She caused this. The silly Freedom Absolutist and Sovereign Citizen bleeder were just her unwitting patsies, useful idiots that helped prove she was right...again.... because, dammit, smoking had killed him after all.
I don't know where we are on "Post of the Year" candidates, but it's going to be really tough to top this one which would go into the HFBoards Hall of Fame if we still had one.
 
I'd rather deal with how the world is. Instead of how the world aught to be. Alcohol levels should be allowed to be higher in gated communities and golf carts.


Like these new laws in Ireland that were tabled

This new proposed law would have allowed residents consume "two or three drinks" and still drive.

Councilor Danny Healy-Rae, who also owns a pub, argued that the measure would not lead to more drunk driving deaths on rural roads. He also said that it could actually reduce the risk of suicide. He told TheJournal.ie:

A lot of these people are living in isolated rural areas where there’s no public transport of any kind, and they end up at home looking at the four walls, night in and night out, because they don’t want to take the risk of losing their license...These characters are being isolated now at home, and a lot of them falling into depression.

In 2011, it lowered the legal limit for blood alcohol content from .08 to .05 — a lower limit than in the US and UK.

 
I'd rather deal with how the world is. Instead of how the world aught to be. Alcohol levels should be allowed to be higher in gated communities and golf carts.
There's probably some common sense that comes into play there and not sure I'd disagree with that. I think having a higher limit for alcohol while driving a golf cart makes some sense, less risk of damage....more risk for the actual people in the cart than to others vs. driving a full size, faster moving vehicle.

That said....stop bringing up "gated communities" - that has nothing to do with this story, he wasn't driving through a gated community.
 
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I can see it now....

A fully-committed Freedom Absolutist is out swinging his bat in the middle of the sidewalk, rendering it too dangerous to use unless he stops.

An approaching pedestrian sees this, analyzes the situation, and decides that someone who's purposely planted himself on the sidewalk instead of his perfectly good lawn where there would be no potential for injury to anyone else is either low-functioning or trying to make a point by being a dick.

Having no inclination or time to engage in conflict or a philosophical debate, and in keeping with a general rule to give dubious people a wide berth if possible, the pedestrian decides to cross the street to the other side, waits at the corner for the signal to change, then steps into the crosswalk whereupon he's promptly run over by a drunk-driving, whiny, self-anointed Sovereign Citizen who believes he can operate using his own childlike interpretation of how road rules and codes re behaviour apply using the long-forgotten and completely irrelevant Articles of Confederation instead of the US Constitution.

The pedestrian lays bleeding, limbs pointing in directions that shouldn't be possible. The pasta sheets his wife sent him to the store for will never make it back to the kitchen, that night's lasagna will remain unmade. He told her he'd walk instead of drive to the store "for exercise", but really it was so on the way home he could sneak a quick one from the pack of cigarettes he's secretly buy, knowing she'd be able to smell the stale smoke in the car later and he'd have to listen to her explaining...again...how he went back on his promise to quit the coffin nails.

The cops show up. Then, the ambulance.

As the EMT's begin to try and stop the bleeding, one of the cops spots a potential witness; a guy nearby on the sidewalk, inexplicably swinging a bat. As he approaches the neighbourhood Babe Ruth and begins to ask if he saw anything, he's instead told he has no right to ask him questions about anything, to stay off his property, and that he's exercising his Right to Freedom to swing for the fences at imaginary fastballs. The pedestrian, at the moment still lucid and observing, feels satisfied that at least his instincts were right about the bat swinger's vibe; weird, with an even weirder sense of priorities.

His attention is suddenly drawn to the sound of shattering glass accompanied by constant, high-pitched, girlish shrieking. The cop dealing with the drunk Sovereign Citizen driver who crushed him immediately lost his patience and then his shit, utterly and completely, when the Dbag driver predictably rolled his car window down exactly 1 inch, told the cop he was recording the encounter, and nervously began reciting his mornonic screed about how he "wasn't driving and didn't need a license because I'm "traveling" and under the Articl."...at which point the window and hell for him broke loose and the funny shrieking began. The pedestrian wasn't sure if it was the EMT's drugs taking effect or just the normal elation that came from watching the cop drag the dunce from his car and begin laying a remedial American History lesson on the fool through the forceful, repeated strokes of his baton. When another cop rolled up and added his taser to the class, the pedestrian softy chuckled, feeling pretty lucky that at least he got to see and hear what so many never get to witness; someone overflowing with so much annoying dipshittery finally getting what's coming to him.

He saw passersby gathering, some holding phones up to record the sights and sweet sounds of Mr. Articles of Confederation every time he learned another valuable historical point with each ride of the lightning, and wondered if they would keep their jobs after this, modern sensitivities being what they are. Knowing they might not, he silently thanked them for their sacrifice, and the show.

The pedestrian needn't have worried. Most of the phones were held up to take selfies which were later posted to social media accounts of those who breathlessly described the drama and trauma they suffered witnessing the affair. When collected as potential evidence, most offered no clear view of the righteous pummelling going on in the background due to stupidly pouty lips and over-protruding big butts arched in ridiculous poses blocking the real center of attention. Snippets and frames of those few that did show something of value only gained traction in the form of comical memes and GIFs because most people don't have an Outrage trigger or gather to demonstrate and certainly not to torch Starbucks and whatnot under the banner of "People We Don't Get What the F They're Talking About Lives Matter".

What the pedestrian did realize instead was, despite their best efforts, the EMTs weren't going to save him. He knew his ticket had been punched by that drunk-driving asshat on the ground next to his car getting his just rewards. But was it entirely that stupid SOB's fault?

What about the ridiculous bat swinger, still over there on the sidewalk where he had been but now feeling smug and victorious after the cop finally gave up trying to get any information about the accident, swinging with renewed vigour at the air filled with imaginary, Government black helicopter-harpies trying to obliterate his Freedom with rockets of Injustice?...it was he and his antics that began the chain of events, wasn't it? Couldn't he have just done his thing in his own friggin yard and none of this would have happened?

Then it hit him with great clarity: He was only walking in the first place because of his own wife...nagging about the cigarettes. Making him promise to quit..essentially forcing him to lie. She caused this. The silly Freedom Absolutist and Sovereign Citizen bleeder were just her unwitting patsies, useful idiots that helped prove she was right...again.... because, dammit, smoking had killed him after all.

This belongs in a museum.
 
I can see it now....

A fully-committed Freedom Absolutist is out swinging his bat in the middle of the sidewalk, rendering it too dangerous to use unless he stops.

An approaching pedestrian sees this, analyzes the situation, and decides that someone who's purposely planted himself on the sidewalk instead of his perfectly good lawn where there would be no potential for injury to anyone else is either low-functioning or trying to make a point by being a dick.

Having no inclination or time to engage in conflict or a philosophical debate, and in keeping with a general rule to give dubious people a wide berth if possible, the pedestrian decides to cross the street to the other side, waits at the corner for the signal to change, then steps into the crosswalk whereupon he's promptly run over by a drunk-driving, whiny, self-anointed Sovereign Citizen who believes he can operate using his own childlike interpretation of how road rules and codes re behaviour apply using the long-forgotten and completely irrelevant Articles of Confederation instead of the US Constitution.

The pedestrian lays bleeding, limbs pointing in directions that shouldn't be possible. The pasta sheets his wife sent him to the store for will never make it back to the kitchen, that night's lasagna will remain unmade. He told her he'd walk instead of drive to the store "for exercise", but really it was so on the way home he could sneak a quick one from the pack of cigarettes he's secretly buy, knowing she'd be able to smell the stale smoke in the car later and he'd have to listen to her explaining...again...how he went back on his promise to quit the coffin nails.

The cops show up. Then, the ambulance.

As the EMT's begin to try and stop the bleeding, one of the cops spots a potential witness; a guy nearby on the sidewalk, inexplicably swinging a bat. As he approaches the neighbourhood Babe Ruth and begins to ask if he saw anything, he's instead told he has no right to ask him questions about anything, to stay off his property, and that he's exercising his Right to Freedom to swing for the fences at imaginary fastballs. The pedestrian, at the moment still lucid and observing, feels satisfied that at least his instincts were right about the bat swinger's vibe; weird, with an even weirder sense of priorities.

His attention is suddenly drawn to the sound of shattering glass accompanied by constant, high-pitched, girlish shrieking. The cop dealing with the drunk Sovereign Citizen driver who crushed him immediately lost his patience and then his shit, utterly and completely, when the Dbag driver predictably rolled his car window down exactly 1 inch, told the cop he was recording the encounter, and nervously began reciting his mornonic screed about how he "wasn't driving and didn't need a license because I'm "traveling" and under the Articl."...at which point the window and hell for him broke loose and the funny shrieking began. The pedestrian wasn't sure if it was the EMT's drugs taking effect or just the normal elation that came from watching the cop drag the dunce from his car and begin laying a remedial American History lesson on the fool through the forceful, repeated strokes of his baton. When another cop rolled up and added his taser to the class, the pedestrian softy chuckled, feeling pretty lucky that at least he got to see and hear what so many never get to witness; someone overflowing with so much annoying dipshittery finally getting what's coming to him.

He saw passersby gathering, some holding phones up to record the sights and sweet sounds of Mr. Articles of Confederation every time he learned another valuable historical point with each ride of the lightning, and wondered if they would keep their jobs after this, modern sensitivities being what they are. Knowing they might not, he silently thanked them for their sacrifice, and the show.

The pedestrian needn't have worried. Most of the phones were held up to take selfies which were later posted to social media accounts of those who breathlessly described the drama and trauma they suffered witnessing the affair. When collected as potential evidence, most offered no clear view of the righteous pummelling going on in the background due to stupidly pouty lips and over-protruding big butts arched in ridiculous poses blocking the real center of attention. Snippets and frames of those few that did show something of value only gained traction in the form of comical memes and GIFs because most people don't have an Outrage trigger or gather to demonstrate and certainly not to torch Starbucks and whatnot under the banner of "People We Don't Get What the F They're Talking About Lives Matter".

What the pedestrian did realize instead was, despite their best efforts, the EMTs weren't going to save him. He knew his ticket had been punched by that drunk-driving asshat on the ground next to his car getting his just rewards. But was it entirely that stupid SOB's fault?

What about the ridiculous bat swinger, still over there on the sidewalk where he had been but now feeling smug and victorious after the cop finally gave up trying to get any information about the accident, swinging with renewed vigour at the air filled with imaginary, Government black helicopter-harpies trying to obliterate his Freedom with rockets of Injustice?...it was he and his antics that began the chain of events, wasn't it? Couldn't he have just done his thing in his own friggin yard and none of this would have happened?

Then it hit him with great clarity: He was only walking in the first place because of his own wife...nagging about the cigarettes. Making him promise to quit..essentially forcing him to lie. She caused this. The silly Freedom Absolutist and Sovereign Citizen bleeder were just her unwitting patsies, useful idiots that helped prove she was right...again.... because, dammit, smoking had killed him after all.

This is an absolute treasure.
 
I can see it now....

A fully-committed Freedom Absolutist is out swinging his bat in the middle of the sidewalk, rendering it too dangerous to use unless he stops.

An approaching pedestrian sees this, analyzes the situation, and decides that someone who's purposely planted himself on the sidewalk instead of his perfectly good lawn where there would be no potential for injury to anyone else is either low-functioning or trying to make a point by being a dick.

Having no inclination or time to engage in conflict or a philosophical debate, and in keeping with a general rule to give dubious people a wide berth if possible, the pedestrian decides to cross the street to the other side, waits at the corner for the signal to change, then steps into the crosswalk whereupon he's promptly run over by a drunk-driving, whiny, self-anointed Sovereign Citizen who believes he can operate using his own childlike interpretation of how road rules and codes re behaviour apply using the long-forgotten and completely irrelevant Articles of Confederation instead of the US Constitution.

The pedestrian lays bleeding, limbs pointing in directions that shouldn't be possible. The pasta sheets his wife sent him to the store for will never make it back to the kitchen, that night's lasagna will remain unmade. He told her he'd walk instead of drive to the store "for exercise", but really it was so on the way home he could sneak a quick one from the pack of cigarettes he's secretly buy, knowing she'd be able to smell the stale smoke in the car later and he'd have to listen to her explaining...again...how he went back on his promise to quit the coffin nails.

The cops show up. Then, the ambulance.

As the EMT's begin to try and stop the bleeding, one of the cops spots a potential witness; a guy nearby on the sidewalk, inexplicably swinging a bat. As he approaches the neighbourhood Babe Ruth and begins to ask if he saw anything, he's instead told he has no right to ask him questions about anything, to stay off his property, and that he's exercising his Right to Freedom to swing for the fences at imaginary fastballs. The pedestrian, at the moment still lucid and observing, feels satisfied that at least his instincts were right about the bat swinger's vibe; weird, with an even weirder sense of priorities.

His attention is suddenly drawn to the sound of shattering glass accompanied by constant, high-pitched, girlish shrieking. The cop dealing with the drunk Sovereign Citizen driver who crushed him immediately lost his patience and then his shit, utterly and completely, when the Dbag driver predictably rolled his car window down exactly 1 inch, told the cop he was recording the encounter, and nervously began reciting his mornonic screed about how he "wasn't driving and didn't need a license because I'm "traveling" and under the Articl."...at which point the window and hell for him broke loose and the funny shrieking began. The pedestrian wasn't sure if it was the EMT's drugs taking effect or just the normal elation that came from watching the cop drag the dunce from his car and begin laying a remedial American History lesson on the fool through the forceful, repeated strokes of his baton. When another cop rolled up and added his taser to the class, the pedestrian softy chuckled, feeling pretty lucky that at least he got to see and hear what so many never get to witness; someone overflowing with so much annoying dipshittery finally getting what's coming to him.

He saw passersby gathering, some holding phones up to record the sights and sweet sounds of Mr. Articles of Confederation every time he learned another valuable historical point with each ride of the lightning, and wondered if they would keep their jobs after this, modern sensitivities being what they are. Knowing they might not, he silently thanked them for their sacrifice, and the show.

The pedestrian needn't have worried. Most of the phones were held up to take selfies which were later posted to social media accounts of those who breathlessly described the drama and trauma they suffered witnessing the affair. When collected as potential evidence, most offered no clear view of the righteous pummelling going on in the background due to stupidly pouty lips and over-protruding big butts arched in ridiculous poses blocking the real center of attention. Snippets and frames of those few that did show something of value only gained traction in the form of comical memes and GIFs because most people don't have an Outrage trigger or gather to demonstrate and certainly not to torch Starbucks and whatnot under the banner of "People We Don't Get What the F They're Talking About Lives Matter".

What the pedestrian did realize instead was, despite their best efforts, the EMTs weren't going to save him. He knew his ticket had been punched by that drunk-driving asshat on the ground next to his car getting his just rewards. But was it entirely that stupid SOB's fault?

What about the ridiculous bat swinger, still over there on the sidewalk where he had been but now feeling smug and victorious after the cop finally gave up trying to get any information about the accident, swinging with renewed vigour at the air filled with imaginary, Government black helicopter-harpies trying to obliterate his Freedom with rockets of Injustice?...it was he and his antics that began the chain of events, wasn't it? Couldn't he have just done his thing in his own friggin yard and none of this would have happened?

Then it hit him with great clarity: He was only walking in the first place because of his own wife...nagging about the cigarettes. Making him promise to quit..essentially forcing him to lie. She caused this. The silly Freedom Absolutist and Sovereign Citizen bleeder were just her unwitting patsies, useful idiots that helped prove she was right...again.... because, dammit, smoking had killed him after all.
This is too good for HF.
 
I'd rather deal with how the world is. Instead of how the world aught to be. Alcohol levels should be allowed to be higher in gated communities and golf carts.
1. When someone can demonstrate that motor skill impairment via alcohol varies by mode of transportation (e.g., if you're at 0.08, you can still operate a golf cart safely where you can't operate a motorized vehicle safely), then you'll be on to something.
2. When someone can demonstrate that motor skill impairment via alcohol varies by location (e.g., if you're in a gated community at 0.08, you're not as impaired as if you're outside the gated community, cruising the local strip mall or on the Florida Turnpike), then you'll be on to something.
3. As soon as you say "we'll raise the limit if you're using a golf cart" then people will want the limit raised for scooters, ATVs, small construction equipment, vehicles being operated off-road, ... and people, being selfish, will exploit the hell out of that and then put themselves and others into dangerous situations where the risk of injury and/or death increase.

A lot of these people are living in isolated rural areas where there’s no public transport of any kind, and they end up at home looking at the four walls, night in and night out, because they don’t want to take the risk of losing their license...These characters are being isolated now at home, and a lot of them falling into depression.
Sounds like a personal accountability problem. Maybe they should learn not to drink and then get behind the wheel.
 
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2. When someone can demonstrate that motor skill impairment via alcohol varies by location (e.g., if you're in a gated community at 0.08, you're not as impaired as if you're outside the gated community, cruising the local strip mall or on the Florida Turnpike), then you'll be on to something.

It probably is demonstrable that impairment is less dangerous in different environments, fwiw. Blowing through a stop sign at 10 over the limit in a golf cart in a subdivision is not the same level of risk as blowing through a red light at 10 over the limit in an SUV when crossing the highway.
 
It probably is demonstrable that impairment is less dangerous in different environments, fwiw. Blowing through a stop sign at 10 over the limit in a golf cart in a subdivision is not the same level of risk as blowing through a red light at 10 over the limit in an SUV when crossing the highway.
Right, but that's not how DUI laws are written. Otherwise, one could argue for different thresholds for in a public park, downtown, residential area, industrial area, parking garage, public parking lot, etc. - and all of that varying on whether all the roads are straight or not, how many structures are around, the type of structures, etc.

If one thinks lawmakers struggle at making good laws in general, imagine asking them to create a "good" DUI law with all those variables involved.
 
I can see it now....

A fully-committed Freedom Absolutist is out swinging his bat in the middle of the sidewalk, rendering it too dangerous to use unless he stops.

An approaching pedestrian sees this, analyzes the situation, and decides that someone who's purposely planted himself on the sidewalk instead of his perfectly good lawn where there would be no potential for injury to anyone else is either low-functioning or trying to make a point by being a dick.

Having no inclination or time to engage in conflict or a philosophical debate, and in keeping with a general rule to give dubious people a wide berth if possible, the pedestrian decides to cross the street to the other side, waits at the corner for the signal to change, then steps into the crosswalk whereupon he's promptly run over by a drunk-driving, whiny, self-anointed Sovereign Citizen who believes he can operate using his own childlike interpretation of how road rules and codes re behaviour apply using the long-forgotten and completely irrelevant Articles of Confederation instead of the US Constitution.

The pedestrian lays bleeding, limbs pointing in directions that shouldn't be possible. The pasta sheets his wife sent him to the store for will never make it back to the kitchen, that night's lasagna will remain unmade. He told her he'd walk instead of drive to the store "for exercise", but really it was so on the way home he could sneak a quick one from the pack of cigarettes he's secretly buy, knowing she'd be able to smell the stale smoke in the car later and he'd have to listen to her explaining...again...how he went back on his promise to quit the coffin nails.

The cops show up. Then, the ambulance.

As the EMT's begin to try and stop the bleeding, one of the cops spots a potential witness; a guy nearby on the sidewalk, inexplicably swinging a bat. As he approaches the neighbourhood Babe Ruth and begins to ask if he saw anything, he's instead told he has no right to ask him questions about anything, to stay off his property, and that he's exercising his Right to Freedom to swing for the fences at imaginary fastballs. The pedestrian, at the moment still lucid and observing, feels satisfied that at least his instincts were right about the bat swinger's vibe; weird, with an even weirder sense of priorities.

His attention is suddenly drawn to the sound of shattering glass accompanied by constant, high-pitched, girlish shrieking. The cop dealing with the drunk Sovereign Citizen driver who crushed him immediately lost his patience and then his shit, utterly and completely, when the Dbag driver predictably rolled his car window down exactly 1 inch, told the cop he was recording the encounter, and nervously began reciting his mornonic screed about how he "wasn't driving and didn't need a license because I'm "traveling" and under the Articl."...at which point the window and hell for him broke loose and the funny shrieking began. The pedestrian wasn't sure if it was the EMT's drugs taking effect or just the normal elation that came from watching the cop drag the dunce from his car and begin laying a remedial American History lesson on the fool through the forceful, repeated strokes of his baton. When another cop rolled up and added his taser to the class, the pedestrian softy chuckled, feeling pretty lucky that at least he got to see and hear what so many never get to witness; someone overflowing with so much annoying dipshittery finally getting what's coming to him.

He saw passersby gathering, some holding phones up to record the sights and sweet sounds of Mr. Articles of Confederation every time he learned another valuable historical point with each ride of the lightning, and wondered if they would keep their jobs after this, modern sensitivities being what they are. Knowing they might not, he silently thanked them for their sacrifice, and the show.

The pedestrian needn't have worried. Most of the phones were held up to take selfies which were later posted to social media accounts of those who breathlessly described the drama and trauma they suffered witnessing the affair. When collected as potential evidence, most offered no clear view of the righteous pummelling going on in the background due to stupidly pouty lips and over-protruding big butts arched in ridiculous poses blocking the real center of attention. Snippets and frames of those few that did show something of value only gained traction in the form of comical memes and GIFs because most people don't have an Outrage trigger or gather to demonstrate and certainly not to torch Starbucks and whatnot under the banner of "People We Don't Get What the F They're Talking About Lives Matter".

What the pedestrian did realize instead was, despite their best efforts, the EMTs weren't going to save him. He knew his ticket had been punched by that drunk-driving asshat on the ground next to his car getting his just rewards. But was it entirely that stupid SOB's fault?

What about the ridiculous bat swinger, still over there on the sidewalk where he had been but now feeling smug and victorious after the cop finally gave up trying to get any information about the accident, swinging with renewed vigour at the air filled with imaginary, Government black helicopter-harpies trying to obliterate his Freedom with rockets of Injustice?...it was he and his antics that began the chain of events, wasn't it? Couldn't he have just done his thing in his own friggin yard and none of this would have happened?

Then it hit him with great clarity: He was only walking in the first place because of his own wife...nagging about the cigarettes. Making him promise to quit..essentially forcing him to lie. She caused this. The silly Freedom Absolutist and Sovereign Citizen bleeder were just her unwitting patsies, useful idiots that helped prove she was right...again.... because, dammit, smoking had killed him after all.
Are you ok?
 
Right, but that's not how DUI laws are written. Otherwise, one could argue for different thresholds for in a public park, downtown, residential area, industrial area, parking garage, public parking lot, etc. - and all of that varying on whether all the roads are straight or not, how many structures are around, the type of structures, etc.

If one thinks lawmakers struggle at making good laws in general, imagine asking them to create a "good" DUI law with all those variables involved.

Indeed, we’re just now in the 2020s getting to the point where it’s becoming common to make these distinctions with pedestrians allowed to have open containers. The principle is already in place, but complexity is not a feature of our legislative process.
 
Those are key points. Most of those downplaying the incident focus on what damage a golf cart can cause and ignore the real danger for death and injury which is that it's essentially a protection-less vehicle not unlike a motorcycle if you're hit by someone else. The chance of damaging something is less than a car but the chance for injury or death compared to a car skyrockets in a collision. The chances for the collision go up when situational awareness, judgement, reflexes are impaired under the influence.

Also something else conveniently ignored; the life of his wife, his passenger, she's his responsibility. She's exposed to the same dangers but it's almost as if she's considered expendable if one were to go by how many mentions she and his responsibility as her driver get.
His wife made an informed decision to get in the the card with a drunk driver. She’s adult, time for you to stop treatIng women as children.
 
His wife made an informed decision to get in the the card with a drunk driver. She’s adult, time for you to stop treatIng women as children.
It's his passenger, as I specified. It's irrelevant whether his passenger is his wife, his friend, adult, child, man, woman, a hitchhiking stranger of indeterminate gender, whoever. That night his passenger happened to be his wife, but regardless, the responsibility of another life is in the driver's hands. If someone doesn't care enough about their own life to not drive drunk they might want to consider the others they're directly responsible for.

My opinion with respect to operating a vehicle impaired and, in particular, responsibility towards passengers comes transporting people for a living. When I "drive" the alcohol tolerance is basically zero with regulations that cover max alcohol level, min time since last drink (12 hours) and a rule against "impairment" that includes being so hung over that even one meets the consumption min time limit and max alcohol level, if it affects one's ability to operate it's a violation.

How you interpreted any of what I wrote as a statement of me thinking that "women should be treated as children" is beyond me, but I do know the conclusion you drew is certainly, monumentally, asinine. I'm also sure the many women I've worked alongside doing the same job would be certain it's asinine because, one and all, they would agree about the operator of a vehicle having a responsibility to passengers.

Speaking of children, your "informed decision" tangent is something only a child would consider relevant or legit. Hate to tell you, but if you're driving drunk, crash, and kill your passengers, you're not going to escape manslaughter charges by arguing "Hey Judge, they were adults and were keeping up with me beer-for-beer so knew what they were getting into".

From what you're telling me, if the State held you responsible for your buddy or wife's death, you'd figure it was a grave injustice because the dead people had made an "informed decision" to trust you. How nice for you to be able to eventually go on with your life with a clear conscious.
 
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It's a golf cart in a gated suburb.

What's next, no beers on the golf course?
Exactly! It’s a golf cart!

It's his passenger, as I specified. It's irrelevant whether his passenger is his wife, his friend, adult, child, man, woman, a hitchhiking stranger of indeterminate gender, whoever. That night his passenger happened to be his wife, but regardless, the responsibility of another life is in the driver's hands. If someone doesn't care enough about their own life to not drive drunk they might want to consider the others they're directly responsible for.

My opinion with respect to operating a vehicle impaired and, in particular, responsibility towards passengers comes transporting people for a living. When I "drive" the alcohol tolerance is basically zero with regulations that cover max alcohol level, min time since last drink (12 hours) and a rule against "impairment" that includes being so hung over that even one meets the consumption min time limit and max alcohol level, if it affects one's ability to operate it's a violation.

How you interpreted any of what I wrote as a statement of me thinking that "women should be treated as children" is beyond me, but I do know the conclusion you drew is certainly, monumentally, asinine. I'm also sure the many women I've worked alongside doing the same job would be certain it's asinine because, one and all, they would agree about the operator of a vehicle having a responsibility to passengers.

Speaking of children, your "informed decision" tangent is something only a child would consider relevant or legit. Hate to tell you, but if you're driving drunk, crash, and kill your passengers, you're not going to escape manslaughter charges by arguing "Hey Judge, they were adults and were keeping up with me beer-for-beer so knew what they were getting into".

From what you're telling me, if the State held you responsible for your buddy or wife's death, you'd figure it was a grave injustice because the dead people had made an "informed decision" to trust you. How nice for you to be able to eventually go on with your life with a clear conscious.
It’s a golf cart.
 
A lot of these people are living in isolated rural areas where there’s no public transport of any kind, and they end up at home looking at the four walls, night in and night out, because they don’t want to take the risk of losing their license...These characters are being isolated now at home, and a lot of them falling into depression.
As someone who's lived in an isolated rural area( now in a small town surrounded by isolated rural area) I can tell you that's not true at all. A lot of people don't care about the risk and drive anyhow, a lot of others are responsible enough to plan ahead and lots enjoy staying home alone or with their family. You're scenario likely only applies to one in 500 or 1000 people which would be a very small percentage of the people dealing with depression.

Exactly! It’s a golf cart!


It’s a golf cart.
Yeah, lots of others in here have already said that and it was pointed out to each of them how stupid that comment is.
 
It's his passenger, as I specified. It's irrelevant whether his passenger is his wife, his friend, adult, child, man, woman, a hitchhiking stranger of indeterminate gender, whoever. That night his passenger happened to be his wife, but regardless, the responsibility of another life is in the driver's hands. If someone doesn't care enough about their own life to not drive drunk they might want to consider the others they're directly responsible for.

My opinion with respect to operating a vehicle impaired and, in particular, responsibility towards passengers comes transporting people for a living. When I "drive" the alcohol tolerance is basically zero with regulations that cover max alcohol level, min time since last drink (12 hours) and a rule against "impairment" that includes being so hung over that even one meets the consumption min time limit and max alcohol level, if it affects one's ability to operate it's a violation.

How you interpreted any of what I wrote as a statement of me thinking that "women should be treated as children" is beyond me, but I do know the conclusion you drew is certainly, monumentally, asinine. I'm also sure the many women I've worked alongside doing the same job would be certain it's asinine because, one and all, they would agree about the operator of a vehicle having a responsibility to passengers.

Speaking of children, your "informed decision" tangent is something only a child would consider relevant or legit. Hate to tell you, but if you're driving drunk, crash, and kill your passengers, you're not going to escape manslaughter charges by arguing "Hey Judge, they were adults and were keeping up with me beer-for-beer so knew what they were getting into".

From what you're telling me, if the State held you responsible for your buddy or wife's death, you'd figure it was a grave injustice because the dead people had made an "informed decision" to trust you. How nice for you to be able to eventually go on with your life with a clear conscious.
You’re actually wrong on that, it can be relevant whether or not the passenger knew of the intoxication, both legally (typically can affect the severity of the punishment and the damages you pay) and morally. And it’s also relevant whether you drive someone as a professional or not. It seems your views are influenced too much by the fact that you’re a professional driver.

And if someone doesn’t care about their own lives (as here both the driver and his passenger), I don’t know why you’re getting made that we don’t either.
 
"You f***ing fight me, you're gonna f***ing regret it!"

What a loser. Likely had to go into that "profession" to try and get some semblance of self esteem back because his parents didn't love him.
Can’t believe I’m reading people saying the cop was professional ITT after hearing that line.

Okay but you can't convict anyone of DUI if they don't have an active substance in their system so that doesn't hold up in court. You can roll around like a tennis ball if you wish. If your blood alcohol is under the legal limit then you're not getting convicted of drunk driving.
Not true
 
As someone who's lived in an isolated rural area( now in a small town surrounded by isolated rural area) I can tell you that's not true at all. A lot of people don't care about the risk and drive anyhow, a lot of others are responsible enough to plan ahead and lots enjoy staying home alone or with their family. You're scenario likely only applies to one in 500 or 1000 people which would be a very small percentage of the people dealing with depression.


Yeah, lots of others in here have already said that and it was pointed out to each of them how stupid that comment is.
Regardless of what others my believe, It’s still a golf cart. Are the elderly going to get pulled over now when on their scooters?
 
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He was clearly impaired and he dropped the "I coach the Panthers" card. No sympathy. No idea why people are calling out the cop or cops here, they seemed professional to me. The biggest takeaway is notice he didn't resist? Always goes well. I've had brushes with the law back in the day and the last thing on my mind was resisting or running and somehow I've never been assaulted by police. Funny that.
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