Player Discussion: Anders Lee

[PWJunior]

Well, everyone is making this personal now because Lee has the audacity to try and get as much as he can from the Isles or any other club that's willing to pay for his services. It's a defense mechanism in the first post-Tavares off-season. Hell hath no fury like a scorned Isles fanbase.

Take a gander at the growing Marner hate from Toronto fans.

 

[PWJunior]

we know nothing....

Seriously, it's to a new level. Snow was pretty secretive, but Lou adds fear to the mix so even if you know... you talk and bad things happen to you.

The Cone of Silence exists. The only reliable Twitter account to follow if the Official Isles Twitter because Lou has shit locked down tight.

 

[crasherino]

Seriously, it's to a new level. Snow was pretty secretive, but Lou adds fear to the mix so even if you know... you talk and bad things happen to you.

The Cone of Silence exists. The only reliable Twitter account to follow if the Official Isles Twitter because Lou has **** locked down tight.

Anything that slips out is from the other side. And even then, I think people (agents, etc.) know that if they are going to let anything out, they'd better be discreet about it.

Staple has taken a lot of shit here recently but its really hard to do his job in this environment. Everyone other beat writer in the league is giving out snippets of what's going on he is doing "Here's what could happen" pieces.

 

[Strummergas]

Take a gander at the growing Marner hate from Toronto fans.

They're just upset that someone bucked the "all the Toronto boys want to play at home for less money" narrative.

 

[Brunomics]

They're just upset that someone bucked the "all the Toronto boys want to play at home for less money" narrative.

They all did. Look at Mathews for 5 years, Nylander held out for his deal and now Marner.

 

[Strummergas]

They all did. Look at Mathews for 5 years, Nylander held out for his deal and now Marner.

Mathews and Nylander aren't "Toronto Boys". They just play there.

 

[Brunomics]

Mathews and Nylander aren't "Toronto Boys". They just play there.

Just because Marner grew up there doesn't make him beholden to the Maple Leafs. If that was the case then every long Islander should be beholden to the Isles.

 

[Strummergas]

Just because Marner grew up there doesn't make him beholden to the Maple Leafs. If that was the case then every long Islander should be beholden to the Isles.

You know this, and I know this. Torontonians? I'm not so sure.

 

[crasherino]

Well, everyone is making this personal now because Lee has the audacity to try and get as much as he can from the Isles or any other club that's willing to pay for his services. It's a defense mechanism in the first post-Tavares off-season. Hell hath no fury like a scorned Isles fanbase.

Agreed...he's everyone's favorite player throughout the year. But when he hasn't been signed yet, its open season on how slow and replaceable he is. If we compared the takes on him from, say....February through now, its almost a complete 180.

 

[beach]

 

[Uncle Duke]

Well, everyone is making this personal now because Lee has the audacity to try and get as much as he can from the Isles or any other club that's willing to pay for his services. It's a defense mechanism in the first post-Tavares off-season. Hell hath no fury like a scorned Isles fanbase.

I don't think any of the "harsh" assessments of Lee have anything to do with JT leaving nor do I think they are personal. I think they are based on a realistic view of his strengths and weaknesses and the desire on the part of a lot of us to not overpay for them as we try to upgrade our O and keep as many dollars as possible available for a big gun.

Unless we hear that he was demanding 9x8, Lee will always be well thought of here whether he stays or goes.

 

[Newsworthy]

I hope they do not sign him at anything over $5 ,one dimensional player...flaws were revealed during playoffs,slow skater,was always in the wrong place and not worth that contract...if they give him that money they basically come back with the same team that everyone knows was under skilled.

I'm on board with this.

 

[Newsworthy]

of all our recent signings, i am shocked that lehner is not one of them

it will hurt to lose leadership and 30 goals, buti am alright letting Lee test the market....his next contract will likely be regrettable.

here is the question- we desperately NEED scoring....we resign brock, totally fine...resign eberle, surprising but i am ok w this too. how are we improving by allowing Lee to walk? we must make some trades

Addition by subtraction. Somebody has to step up.

 

[Uncle Duke]

Its too bad Lee won't sign a 2 year deal worth 14mil, I'm sure he wouldn't mind 7 mil a year for the next 2 years but those agents want 6 year deals. 2 years of 7 million is livable due to the short term but Lee isn't 24 either. Is there something with the NHLPA not allowing team or player options in contracts? Because you never hear about those in the NHL but other leagues you do. If there are those options then I guess I'm not paying attention.

I'm sure he would.

 

[Metnut]

Would have zero ill-will toward Lee if he takes a monster offer to go elsewhere and leave NYI. NYI and Lee have to make the best decisions for themselves and maybe there isn't a match to be made here. There's no room for sentimentality in this business.

The situation isn't even remotely comparable to JT who turned down extra money and term from the Islanders after talking for years about how he wanted to stay. Lee would be leaving for millions extra. Can't fault him for that.

 

[seafoam]

Would have zero ill-will toward Lee if he takes a monster offer to go elsewhere and leave NYI. NYI and Lee have to make the best decisions for themselves and maybe there isn't a match to be made here. There's no room for sentimentality in this business.

The situation isn't even remotely comparable to JT who turned down extra money and term from the Islanders after talking for years about how he wanted to stay. Lee would be leaving for millions extra. Can't fault him for that.

I agree.

Tavares was already set walking into July 1st. He could have gotten 70+ million dollars from a list of teams, and he had already made approximately ~40 million up to that point anyway.

Lee on the other hand has only made ~16 million to this day, so he’s looking to max out on his one big deal. I get that, some of these “career athletes” have a lot of pride in how hard they’ve worked and probably want to max out when they get the chance.

 

[PK Cronin]

I agree.

Tavares was already set walking into July 1st. He could have gotten 70+ million dollars from a list of teams, and he had already made approximately ~40 million up to that point anyway.

Lee on the other hand has only made ~16 million to this day, so he’s looking to max out on his one big deal. I get that, some of these “career athletes” have a lot of pride in how hard they’ve worked and probably want to max out when they get the chance.

$16 million isn't a lot for a professional athlete. I don't blame him one bit for trying to maximize this contract. He's not a guy who is going to make a killing with endorsements and stuff later on either, so it's now or never. He could always do something else to earn some cash, but this is likely the one and only time he'll make this kind of dough.

 

[seafoam]

$16 million isn't a lot for a professional athlete. I don't blame him one bit for trying to maximize this contract. He's not a guy who is going to make a killing with endorsements and stuff later on either, so it's now or never. He could always do something else to earn some cash, but this is likely the one and only time he'll make this kind of dough.

Yeah, and I’m honestly not sure if I want the Islanders to be the one who gives him that contract. This team is trying to put bad contracts behind them.

I’m sure Lee will average 20-25 goals over the life of his next contract with a few 30+ goal seasons sprinkled in there as well, but I’m not sure if he’s even close to a 7M per player anywhere else in his game right now and surely not in years 4, 5, 6 etc.

At least Eberle’s only making 5.5M per on a term length (5 years) that I’m pretty sure isn’t even on the table for Lee. Nelson’s took less than Lee will end up getting and he’s got a more well-rounded skill/tool set than Lee that projects to be effective for longer.

What I’m trying to say is that the Islanders brought back 2/3 of their three free agent top six forwards, and neither of them are bad contracts. At this point, it’s smart to cut your losses with Lee and save the cap space to hunt big game instead. That means working on getting one of Panarin, Duchene, Marner, Ehlers, etc.

 

[ndgolden]

Yeah, and I’m honestly not sure if I want the Islanders to be the one who gives him that contract. This team is trying to put bad contracts behind them.

I’m sure Lee will average 20-25 goals over the life of his next contract with a few 30+ goal seasons sprinkled in there as well, but I’m not sure if he’s even close to a 7M per player anywhere else in his game right now and surely not in years 4, 5, 6 etc.

At least Eberle’s only making 5.5M per on a term length (5 years) that I’m pretty sure isn’t even on the table for Lee. Nelson’s took less than Lee will end up getting and he’s got a more well-rounded skill/tool set than Lee that projects to be effective for longer.

What I’m trying to say is that the Islanders brought back 2/3 of their three free agent top six forwards, and neither of them are bad contracts. At this point, it’s smart to cut your losses with Lee and save the cap space to hunt big game instead. That means working on getting one of Panarin, Duchene, Marner, Ehlers, etc.

This will definitely be one to refer back when all is said and done. wow.

 

[Bood12]

Just because Marner grew up there doesn't make him beholden to the Maple Leafs. If that was the case then every long Islander should be beholden to the Isles.

Not even close comparing someone from Long Island to someone from Toronto, especially now when there is a real chance of giving them their first cup in 50+ years, anyway Marner is going nowhere and I am sure all parties are aware of this, maybe he has a little hold out but in all likely he is going to be on the opening night roster

 

[Newsworthy]

Yeah, and I’m honestly not sure if I want the Islanders to be the one who gives him that contract. This team is trying to put bad contracts behind them.

I’m sure Lee will average 20-25 goals over the life of his next contract with a few 30+ goal seasons sprinkled in there as well, but I’m not sure if he’s even close to a 7M per player anywhere else in his game right now and surely not in years 4, 5, 6 etc.

At least Eberle’s only making 5.5M per on a term length (5 years) that I’m pretty sure isn’t even on the table for Lee. Nelson’s took less than Lee will end up getting and he’s got a more well-rounded skill/tool set than Lee that projects to be effective for longer.

What I’m trying to say is that the Islanders brought back 2/3 of their three free agent top six forwards, and neither of them are bad contracts. At this point, it’s smart to cut your losses with Lee and save the cap space to hunt big game instead. That means working on getting one of Panarin, Duchene, Marner, Ehlers, etc.

Most Islander fans expected we would sign 2 of our top 3 free agent forwards anyway. It's quite possible Lee is still in the cards.

 

[ThreeLeftSkates]

Addition by subtraction. Somebody has to step up.

Subtracting 30 goals is a lot to make up. Shades of Garth Snow!

 

[Strummergas]

I don't think any of the "harsh" assessments of Lee have anything to do with JT leaving nor do I think they are personal. I think they are based on a realistic view of his strengths and weaknesses and the desire on the part of a lot of us to not overpay for them as we try to upgrade our O and keep as many dollars as possible available for a big gun.

Unless we hear that he was demanding 9x8, Lee will always be well thought of here whether he stays or goes.

Some of them are "matter-of-fact" commentary about his strengths and weaknesses as a player and areas where his game might potentially drop off as he ages. The others are just filled with vitriol. I don't see how this can be any more apparent.

 

[Uncle Duke]

Some of them are "matter-of-fact" commentary about his strengths and weaknesses as a player and areas where his game might potentially drop off as he ages. The others are just filled with vitriol. I don't see how this can be any more apparent.

I didn't say there wasn't vitriol, I said it has nothing to do with JT leaving and that it isn't personal. It's about his performance and a perceived over-ask on his part based on his performance, particularly in the playoffs.

 

[Strummergas]

I didn't say there wasn't vitriol, I said it has nothing to do with JT leaving and that it isn't personal. It's about his performance and a perceived over-ask on his part based on his performance, particularly in the playoffs.

Well, I disagree, although his playoff performance certainly adds fuel to the fire.