Player Discussion: Anders Lee

[Sparksrus3]

Rangers and Ryan Callahan too...

The Rags traded him away. We actually persued and signed the Sturgeon Whisperer .

 

[Jester9881]

I said it at the deadline, I'd offer all the UFA forwards something close to the "Bailey special" (5X6). If 6X6 isn't good enough, let them walk. I like Anders, but he's not that much better than Bailey, Nelson or Eberle to warrant giving him 7x7 and the risk that he declines rapidly in years 3 and beyond are too great to take that chance. Eberle, Bailey and Nelson should remain at about the same production toward the end of their deals.

 

[Quickdraw2828]

I said it at the deadline, I'd offer all the UFA forwards something close to the "Bailey special" (5X6). If 6X6 isn't good enough, let them walk. I like Anders, but he's not that much better than Bailey, Nelson or Eberle to warrant giving him 7x7 and the risk that he declines rapidly in years 3 and beyond are too great to take that chance. Eberle, Bailey and Nelson should remain at about the same production toward the end of their deals.

Well if we're looking for a guy to stand in front of the net and have pucks bounce off his stick or body, Matt Moulson is a UFA and would probably sign for a cap friendly 700 thousand.

(fuse lit, i leave)

 

[Jester9881]

Well if we're looking for a guy to stand in front of the net and have pucks bounce off his stick or body, Matt Moulson is a UFA and would probably sign for a cap friendly 700 thousand.

(fuse lit, i leave)

Hey, nobody does it like Anders Lee (heh)

But there are other options out there that will pay the price up front. I've seen too many players like that come through and completely fall apart once they hit 30. Matt Moulson was certainly one.... losing JT wasn't the only reason he fell off a cliff...

Mark Parrish, Trent Hunter (who was a fan favorite around here and beloved when he signed his extension, then ran out of here on a rail with term left), Andrew Ladd was a very similar player to Anders at one point. It's just a style that takes it's toll on your body.

 

[doublechili]

Hey, nobody does it like Anders Lee (heh)

 

[Jester9881]

The longer this goes, the stronger I feel Lee is gone.... and if it's because he wants more than 6.5x6, I'm kinda ok with it. I'm actually more concerned with losing Lehner to be honest.

 

[MetsJetsIsles22]

The longer this goes, the stronger I feel Lee is gone.... and if it's because he wants more than 6.5x6, I'm kinda ok with it. I'm actually more concerned with losing Lehner to be honest.

of all our recent signings, i am shocked that lehner is not one of them

it will hurt to lose leadership and 30 goals, buti am alright letting Lee test the market....his next contract will likely be regrettable.

here is the question- we desperately NEED scoring....we resign brock, totally fine...resign eberle, surprising but i am ok w this too. how are we improving by allowing Lee to walk? we must make some trades

 

[Newsworthy]

of all our recent signings, i am shocked that lehner is not one of them

it will hurt to lose leadership and 30 goals, buti am alright letting Lee test the market....his next contract will likely be regrettable.

here is the question- we desperately NEED scoring....we resign brock, totally fine...resign eberle, surprising but i am ok w this too. how are we improving by allowing Lee to walk? we must make some trades

Even if we sign Lee we need more scoring. That isnt upgrading or adding anything. We are returning the same team as last year.

 

[MattMartin]

of all our recent signings, i am shocked that lehner is not one of them

it will hurt to lose leadership and 30 goals, buti am alright letting Lee test the market....his next contract will likely be regrettable.

here is the question- we desperately NEED scoring....we resign brock, totally fine...resign eberle, surprising but i am ok w this too. how are we improving by allowing Lee to walk? we must make some trades

Have to let lee walk, cause this team in big trouble with age otherwise.

Nelson 28 (I will use age when season starts or close enough) signed til 33
Bailey 30 signed til 34
Ladd 33 signed til 36
Eberle 29 signed til 33
Clutterbuck 32 signed til 34
Komarov 32 signed til 34
Boychuk 35 signed til 37

Cizikas 28
Martin 30
Leddy 28
Hickey 30

Lee will be 29 on July 3rd and if he gets 6 or more you're looking at least tile 34.

Heck, even Mayfield will be 27 at the start of the season

As of last year our "youngsters" (under 25) were...

Barzal
Beauvillier
Pulock
Pelech
Toews
Dal Colle

I should add, if we sign Lee, we need to move some age ASAP.

 

[MJF]

Even if we sign Lee we need more scoring. That isnt upgrading or adding anything. We are returning the same team as last year.

On this date, June 18th, I'm not worrying about bringing back the same team even if Lou does sign Lee and Lehner next. I won't be concerned until Lou brings back Kuhnhackl, Filppula, and Komarov. Wait for the finished product before you lose your mind.

 

[Doshell Propivo]

Even if we sign Lee we need more scoring. That isnt upgrading or adding anything. We are returning the same team as last year.

Huh? Free agency hasn't even started yet. About 4 months before the season begins. We have no idea what team we will have on opening night.

 

[IslesNorway]

Have to let lee walk, cause this team in big trouble with age otherwise.

Nelson 28 (I will use age when season starts or close enough) signed til 33
Bailey 30 signed til 34
Ladd 33 signed til 36
Eberle 29 signed til 33
Clutterbuck 32 signed til 34
Komarov 32 signed til 34
Boychuk 35 signed til 37

Cizikas 28
Martin 30
Leddy 28
Hickey 30

Lee will be 29 on July 3rd and if he gets 6 or more you're looking at least tile 34.

Heck, even Mayfield will be 27 at the start of the season

As of last year our "youngsters" (under 25) were...

Barzal
Beauvillier
Pulock
Pelech
Toews
Dal Colle

I should add, if we sign Lee, we need to move some age ASAP.

As hockey is becoming more and more of a younger man's game teams need to start being more careful about the deals they are handing out. Giving 6+ years to players in their late 20s is not going to work very well in the next 10 years. Thing is, do GMs dare to stay cold and only offer good deals for the years the player is actually any good?

 

[Disgraced Cosmonaut]

Lee at $7mm x 5 yrs ($35mm) should work. Can’t go much beyond that. $37.5?

 

[MatthewBarnabysTears]

I hope we keep Lee. But the argument I keep hearing that "the Islanders can't let their captain walk two years in a row" just falls totally flat to me. Two different players, two different situations. Maybe some media people will comment on it--so what?

Again, I do hope we keep him and Lehner, though.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

 

[Doshell Propivo]

I hope we keep Lee. But the argument I keep hearing that "the Islanders can't let their captain walk two years in a row" just falls totally flat to me. Two different players, two different situations. Maybe some media people will comment on it--so what?

Again, I do hope we keep him and Lehner, though.

Who has said the Islanders can't let Lee walk? Haven't seen that anywhere. What I have seen is people say that it will not make the the Islanders look good if they lose back to back captains to free agency. And I agree with that.

 

[IslandersFan17]

He followed it up with this. To which I had to retweet the fact that this guy clearly wants a player hes never seen play, but saw his stats on Google.

 

[Isles72]

I hope we keep Lee. But the argument I keep hearing that "the Islanders can't let their captain walk two years in a row" just falls totally flat to me. Two different players, two different situations. Maybe some media people will comment on it--so what?

Again, I do hope we keep him and Lehner, though.

if he walks , just put the ''c'' on zeekers jersey and call it a day

 

[dlawong]

Would Isles consider trading Leddy for a young roster player like RW Virtanen or LW Max Jones from Anaheim? I do see the potential in both these young players who is capable of playing a physical game to fill the void should Lee leaves. If needed throw in MDC or JHS as part of the package & get a 2019 4th or 2020 3rd rounder back from Canucks or Anaheim to balance.

I do sense that Canucks can use a veteran D still in his prime on a good contract enable Hughes to develop at a easier pace at the NHL. Their other veteran Ds are either too old or too injury prone and none of the other vet D is as talented as Leddy.

Isles also may need to find a way to unload ladd's contract but in order to do that some salary retention may be required. Ladd at half of his salary may be a lot easier to move. A very young team like Arizona may be interested in this.

 

[BMOK33]

He followed it up with this. To which I had to retweet the fact that this guy clearly wants a player hes never seen play, but saw his stats on Google.

The problem Lee has is that there is really no good team who is going to offer him 7 years so if he wants that he’s going to have to accept that fact he’s going to a team that is rebuilding or flat out bad. I think in the end he accepts 6 years and ends up staying but it’ll happen on July 1st or a few days before

 

[IslandersFan17]

The problem Lee has is that there is really no good team who is going to offer him 7 years so if he wants that he’s going to have to accept that fact he’s going to a team that is rebuilding or flat out bad. I think in the end he accepts 6 years and ends up staying but it’ll happen on July 1st or a few days before

Why not? Teams always drastically over pay on either term and/or $$ every FA.

It's not far fetched to assume someone over pays Lee, and in turn ships out some other assets to make the deal work. We see it done all the time.

Moreover, we have also seen players take the contract they want with lesser tier clubs in order to get that security financially. The Eriksson, Okposo, Ladd, Frans FA class showed that in ways. As long as these guys got the the contract they wanted, they were willing to play for those teams.

 

[GrandmaSlices51631]

Would Isles consider trading Leddy for a young roster player like RW Virtanen or LW Max Jones from Anaheim? I do see the potential in both these young players who is capable of playing a physical game to fill the void should Lee leaves. If needed throw in MDC or JHS as part of the package & get a 2019 4th or 2020 3rd rounder back from Canucks or Anaheim to balance.

I do sense that Canucks can use a veteran D still in his prime on a good contract enable Hughes to develop at a easier pace at the NHL. Their other veteran Ds are either too old or too injury prone and none of the other vet D is as talented as Leddy.

Isles also may need to find a way to unload ladd's contract but in order to do that some salary retention may be required. Ladd at half of his salary may be a lot easier to move. A very young team like Arizona may be interested in this.

Virtanens 59 points in 210 games is pretty unremarkable. I think that'd be huge overpayment by NYI, even if he is 22YO, Jones has even less experience and less production. Both pretty horrible returns for a player of Leddy's caliber.

I don't think we need to replace Lee as much as we need to add speed and scoring ability to the top six, I doubt either of the aforementioned blossom into a Maroon or Wood type.

 

[BMOK33]

Why not? Teams always drastically over pay on either term and/or $$ every FA.

It's not far fetched to assume someone over pays Lee, and in turn ships out some other assets to make the deal work. We see it done all the time.

Moreover, we have also seen players take the contract they want with lesser tier clubs in order to get that security financially. The Eriksson, Okposo, Ladd, Frans FA class showed that in ways. As long as these guys got the the contract they wanted, they were willing to play for those teams.

Okposo had no choice we had no interest in signing him and never made an offer. Frans it sounded like got sick of Capuano and Snow and came to the realization it was never gonna happen with them in charge. Lee is in a much better situation. I think he will come around and take the 6 years unless someone like Nashville, Boston, Carolina etc makes an offer and I’ve seen not a shred of indication those teams are in on him or will be

 

[MJF]

The problem Lee has is that there is really no good team who is going to offer him 7 years so if he wants that he’s going to have to accept that fact he’s going to a team that is rebuilding or flat out bad. I think in the end he accepts 6 years and ends up staying but it’ll happen on July 1st or a few days before

There’s always teams that will overpay. The Rags, Blackhawks, Kings have always overpaid, just to name a few.

 

[BMOK33]

There’s always teams that will overpay. The Rags, Blackhawks, Kings have always overpaid, just to name a few.

The Hawks are an awful team right now though