Value of: Anders Lee & JG Pageau

[miscs75]

Isles not currently eating any contracts from what I can recall for 25/26 season. So, if retention is needed to increase the return they should consider it. Unless they prefer to take a bit less to try to move the entire cap charge.

Lee likely with retention or taking a contract back to a good club. Pageau, more than likely needs retention or a contract back, to go to a middle of the pack team or depending on how he plays his MNTC, he gets moved to a lower end club that needs a veteran 3C to handle PK and defensive zone draws for a year.

Really comes down to whether they prefer to move them in the off-season or hold them and move them at the TDL to contending clubs.

Issue with “taking a contract back” means most teams are looking for a dump of a player with term in return. I’m keeping Lee if the return includes a player with a lower cap hit but multiple years left (aka anything expiring after 2026). As for retention, Lee at 50% can easily get at minimum a 2nd plus quality prospect. Both however, the best course of action is to keep them until the deadline and then move at that point when teams start to bid up.

 

[miscs75]

Anaheim has drafted pretty big the last couple drafts...

what about something like Masse + 3rd?

No idea who he is but from stat reading id be interested. I just don’t want for example a Yamamoto and pick in return.

 

[Draiskull]

JGP is 1 of my dream gets for Anaheim this offseason...

id be cool offering a 2nd or a 3rd + B prospect(prob forward)

In terms of prospect what would Islanders be looking for?

Would you want Henrique back for a lot cheaper? would Henrique waive his NTC for Ana?

 

[miscs75]

I'd do 2nd + B prospect/3rd + Arvidsson (if he waives his NMC) for cap reasons for Pageau no retention.

Arvidsson offsets the cap (1yr x 4m) and is an expiring contract, same as Pageau (1yr x 5m). Most any contender is going to have to send money back or have retention. This way Islanders don't need to retain/waste a retention spot, and Arvidsson would probably fetch a 3rd at the deadline himself.

With regard to prospects, who does Edmonton have outside of Akey and O’Reilly?

 

[Sendhelp2Anaheim]

Would you want Henrique back for a lot cheaper? would Henrique waive his NTC for Ana?

I actually wouldnt mind Henrique as our 4c

 

[landy]

I learned today these guys are still in the league.

 

[Poppy Whoa Sonnet]

NJ should be in on Pageau, has 2 2nds to work with

 

[miscs75]

NJ should be in on Pageau, has 2 2nds to work with

Pageau (and future considerations) for a 2nd


Future considerations = John Maclean and Tommy Albelin back in NJ again.

 

[Draiskull]

With regard to prospects, who does Edmonton have outside of Akey and O’Reilly?

Savoie is our top prospect.
Berezkin and Petrov are lower level prospects but still with upside

a bunch of goalies with Rodrigues currently backing up Skinner and then Day, Vinny as other notables

kids like Clattenberg, Wakely and Nicholl had decent jr seasons and are trending in the right direction

 

[StreetHawk]

Issue with “taking a contract back” means most teams are looking for a dump of a player with term in return. I’m keeping Lee if the return includes a player with a lower cap hit but multiple years left (aka anything expiring after 2026). As for retention, Lee at 50% can easily get at minimum a 2nd plus quality prospect. Both however, the best course of action is to keep them until the deadline and then move at that point when teams start to bid up.

Really depends on the amount and term. A $2 mill player is $4 mill in cap, but if that player can at least play or serve to truly take up a roster spot, then it's like $1.2 mill more than a replacement level player, thus $2.4 mill in true dead money.

 

[miscs75]

Really depends on the amount and term. A $2 mill player is $4 mill in cap, but if that player can at least play or serve to truly take up a roster spot, then it's like $1.2 mill more than a replacement level player, thus $2.4 mill in true dead money.

It’s the term in gereral. Has nothing to do with the cap hit but to get a guy who has multiple years left but is functionally a borderline AHLer just defeats the purpose of turning over the roster properly. The Islanders need to move out quite a few pieces, not just change face and downgrade.

 

[miscs75]

Savoie is our top prospect.
Berezkin and Petrov are lower level prospects but still with upside

a bunch of goalies with Rodrigues currently backing up Skinner and then Day, Vinny as other notables

kids like Clattenberg, Wakely and Nicholl had decent jr seasons and are trending in the right direction

Personally don’t want another 5’8 winger who’s too good for the AHL yet isn’t quite there for the NHL. I’d rather target Clattenberg if it comes down to that list.

 

[StreetHawk]

It’s the term in gereral. Has nothing to do with the cap hit but to get a guy who has multiple years left but is functionally a borderline AHLer just defeats the purpose of turning over the roster properly. The Islanders need to move out quite a few pieces, not just change face and downgrade.

I don't expect the Isles to blow it up.

Lee, Pageau, Cziskas should be priority to move
At least one of Mayfield, Pelech, Pulloch should be moved
I doubt any of Sorokin, Horvat, Barzal get moved, but if a hockey deal comes along
Dobson, Romanov are mid 20's but closing in on UFA in 1-2 years. So, direction of the Isles would likely determine whether they opt to stick around or prefer to leave cause staying for a rebuild likely means no PO for them until they turn 30.

Rest of the roster is really minor changes.

 

[miscs75]

I don't expect the Isles to blow it up.

Lee, Pageau, Cziskas should be priority to move
At least one of Mayfield, Pelech, Pulloch should be moved
I doubt any of Sorokin, Horvat, Barzal get moved, but if a hockey deal comes along
Dobson, Romanov are mid 20's but closing in on UFA in 1-2 years. So, direction of the Isles would likely determine whether they opt to stick around or prefer to leave cause staying for a rebuild likely means no PO for them until they turn 30.

Rest of the roster is really minor changes.

They won't blow it up completely but they will try to move out a few of the contracts for shorter term players in return. Between Engvall, Duclair, Mayfield, Pelech and Pulock i'm expecting some of them to be moved out. Lee and Pageau to stay until the deadline and then moved if the team is out for pure futures (prospects and picks). Cizikas is the only one I cant figure out. He has a $2.5m hit but no trade protection.
The only "veteran" players (minus goalies) i'm expecting them to want to keep are: Barzal, Horvat, Romanov, Dobson, Holmstrom, Tsyplakov and Gatcomb. The other pieces will be the ones changes are made with.

If i'm moving out a contract like Engvall and i'm getting back a $5m player with 2 years left, that's fine but i'm not trading Pageau or Lee to get back a player with 2+ season and a reduced cap hit. That's just terrible mismanagement of the cap and essentially blocking a spot for a young player to step in and prove they can grow.

 

[The Real JT]

I agree with most Isles fans here that it makes the most sense to move Lee and Pageau at the TDL. It gives the Isles a chance to exceed expectations for the upcoming season and hold onto these guys if they somehow are in playoff contention.

If the team isn’t contending, their salaries will be less of an issue at the TDL and the Isles could even retain to facilitate a trade.

Of course there is risk in holding onto them. Both players are aging and could get injured or their play could fall off to a level where they’re not very marketable.

As a fan, I’m ok with taking some risk and holding onto them until next year’s TDL. I’d hate to go into next season with tanking as a primary objective.

 

[seabass45]

They won't blow it up completely but they will try to move out a few of the contracts for shorter term players in return. Between Engvall, Duclair, Mayfield, Pelech and Pulock i'm expecting some of them to be moved out. Lee and Pageau to stay until the deadline and then moved if the team is out for pure futures (prospects and picks). Cizikas is the only one I cant figure out. He has a $2.5m hit but no trade protection.
The only "veteran" players (minus goalies) i'm expecting them to want to keep are: Barzal, Horvat, Romanov, Dobson, Holmstrom, Tsyplakov and Gatcomb. The other pieces will be the ones changes are made with.

If i'm moving out a contract like Engvall and i'm getting back a $5m player with 2 years left, that's fine but i'm not trading Pageau or Lee to get back a player with 2+ season and a reduced cap hit. That's just terrible mismanagement of the cap and essentially blocking a spot for a young player to step in and prove they can grow.

The problem here is that I don’t think you’re moving Engvall at all. There’s not going to be interest in taking on a guy with five years left who’s been buried by his current coach. The five years alone is nuclear.

 

[miscs75]

The problem here is that I don’t think you’re moving Engvall at all. There’s not going to be interest in taking on a guy with five years left who’s been buried by his current coach. The five years alone is nuclear.

That I understand but I personally don’t want to move JGP and his $5m one year deal to get back a $3m forward with 2 or 3 years left just to make the cap hit work. I can see Engvall or Duclair getting bought out altogether.

 

[Ciao]

I can't imagine that just shaving a bit of salary cap is at all attractive to the Isles.

If they're going to move either or both of these contracts, they need to get something that builds for the future.

Looks like TDL moves to me.

 

[impaaaaaact]

What pick would you be hoping for?

The rumor was that Lou turned down a 2027 1st from Edmonton to try and make the playoffs last season. Would suck not to get a first at this point, but I think at least a second for him makes sense

 

[miscs75]

The rumor was that Lou turned down a 2027 1st from Edmonton to try and make the playoffs last season. Would suck not to get a first at this point, but I think at least a second for him makes sense

Didn’t Edmonton want 50% retention for this year and next year with that deal? Lou would have moved him but he wanted no part of multiple seasons of contract retention.

 

[impaaaaaact]

Didn’t Edmonton want 50% retention for this year and next year with that deal? Lou would have moved him but he wanted no part of multiple seasons of contract retention.

I didn't hear that part of the rumor, but I do think that he'll be easier to move this summer

 

[miscs75]

I didn't hear that part of the rumor, but I do think that he'll be easier to move this summer

Lou turned down a trade to Edmonton because they wanted 50% retention on Pageau for it. I don’t blame him on that honestly. 50% retention to get a pick 2 seasons from now on a player who’s still productive. If it was a 2026 1st I’d do it but 2027 is still iffy.

 

[BKarchitect]

JGP will have high interest for sure. We know he can be a good third line center still but he showed some pop and versatility as winger who could play up in a pinch last year too.

I think the Isles would be wise to liquidate. His rental value is going to be much stronger than just holding on to him as a re-tooling team.

If he plays as strongly as he did last year, I don’t think a late 1st for him retained at the deadline is off the table, due to the number of teams who will be sniffing. He basically fits every team who is either contending or looking for that nudge to put their rebuild into serious team mode. Now…that’s contingent at his age of continuing to play as strongly as he has, of course.

 

[doublechili]

I learned today these guys are still in the league.

This season Lee was tied for 9th in goals among LWs with B Tkachuk and Knies. So yeah, still in the league....

 

[miscs75]

JGP will have high interest for sure. We know he can be a good third line center still but he showed some pop and versatility as winger who could play up in a pinch last year too.

I think the Isles would be wise to liquidate. His rental value is going to be much stronger than just holding on to him as a re-tooling team.

If he plays as strongly as he did last year, I don’t think a late 1st for him retained at the deadline is off the table, due to the number of teams who will be sniffing. He basically fits every team who is either contending or looking for that nudge to put their rebuild into serious team mode. Now…that’s contingent at his age of continuing to play as strongly as he has, of course.

The issue is moving him now would mean they have to fill the spot with someone else that they’d most likely sign (for too much term most likely). Ideally the best move is to move him (and Lee) at the deadline for futures. The one they should move now is Cizikas for a futures return. Let Ritchie step into the 3C role (with Lee and someone else on his wing) and just suffer with Maclean on the 4th line with Gatcomb and someone else on his other wing.