Blue Jays Discussion: And the off-season begins (list of FA's in Post #1)

[Canada4Gold]

Part of me wants to Cubs to win because of this guy

 

[Daisy Jane]

What's the cubs manager smoking?

the same stuff as Buck Showalter

 

[Apotheosis]

it's a suicide because of the count? (or the situation?)

The count. Even on at-bats for players that are specifically told "bunt to advance the runner" at two strikes, if it has failed, you don't bunt again at risk of foul-striking out.

 

[rojac]

Who calls a suicide in that scenario? I don't understand...

He gambled on doing something that Cleveland wouldn't expect. Makes a certain kind of sense.

 

[Canada4Gold]

it's a suicide because of the count? (or the situation?)

I wasn't a suicide squeeze it was a safety squeeze. A squeeze is when you're trying to bunt the guy home from 3rd. Suicide when he's running on the pitch so if he doesn't get the bat on the ball the runner is DOA. The runner at 3rd waited to make sure he got the bat on the ball there so it was a safety squeeze

 

[Rysto]

it's a suicide because of the count? (or the situation?)

In a suicide squeeze, the runner goes for home as soon as the pitch is released. It's called a suicide squeeze because he runner is dead if he doesn't make contact.

Edit: So it was not a suicide squeeze. The runner from third would have run into a double play if it had been.

 

[Daisy Jane]

The count. Even on at-bats for players that are specifically told "bunt to advance the runner" at two strikes, if it has failed, you don't bunt again at risk of foul-striking out.

thanks. someone explained the squeezes to me, but i forgot, obviously.

thanks Canada4Gold, Rysto

 

[Dr.Funk]

the same stuff as Buck Showalter

Except Showalter wouldn't use his closer. Maddon is gonna ride Chapman til he dies.

 

[Kurtz]

I mean Chaps is totally done. It's like Joe didn't have a bullpen before he came along.

 

[ECanuck]

He gambled on doing something that Cleveland wouldn't expect. Makes a certain kind of sense.

Expect or not. All the players are basically in the infield.

 

[Canada4Gold]

The count. Even on at-bats for players that are specifically told "bunt to advance the runner" at two strikes, if it has failed, you don't bunt again at risk of foul-striking out.

no it's not because of the count suicide v. safety squeeze is differentiated based on whether the runner at 3rd is running or not. That was not a suicide squeeze.

It's called suicide because the runner is basically getting himself out by running home if it doesn't work. Thus suicide.

 

[The Nemesis]

it's a suicide because of the count? (or the situation?)

Situation. Though it really wasn't a suicide play.

A "suicide" is one of the two variants of the squeeze play where you bunt with a runner on 3rd and bet that the runner can get home quickly enough to negate any attempt to throw the ball home for the out (forcing a worst-case scenario of the batter being out at 1st, best case that he beats out the throw or there's no play and he's safe). This of course also depends on the hitter putting the bunt into a good spot that makes said throw home as difficult as possible.

The variations are the safety squeeze and the suicide squeeze, dependent on when the runner at 3rd takes off.

In the safety squeeze, the runner waits for contact before leaving 3rd for home.

In a suicide squeeze, the runner goes as soon as the pitcher begins his delivery home. Making it like a sort of attempted steal of home, betting the batter will be able for sure to make contact and prevent the runner from just being tagged out on the pitch reception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squeeze_play_(baseball)

In actuality this was a safety squeeze attempt. The runner was clearly waiting for contact before he'd break for home.

 

[Daisy Jane]

wow. chapman looks dead.
there's no one else to pitch?

 

[Ropesman]

extras baby

 

[Apotheosis]

no it's not because of the count suicide v. safety squeeze is differentiated based on whether the runner at 3rd is running or not. That was not a suicide squeeze.

It's called suicide because the runner is basically getting himself out by running home if it doesn't work. Thus suicide.

I never called it a suicide squeeze.

 

[go_leafs_go02]

Extras boys.... extras

 

[Daisy Jane]

wow. extra innings.

 

[Rysto]

SpezDispenser did, which started the conversation.

 

[TheTotalPackage]

He gambled on doing something that Cleveland wouldn't expect. Makes a certain kind of sense.

Full count and a sac fly would do it? I can't find any reason to justify trying to bunt.

 

[Dr.Funk]

wow. chapman looks dead.
there's no one else to pitch?

I'd say he's done but Joe Maddon has lost his marbles so...

 

[BayStreetBully]

Extra innings. Baseball gods don't want either of Cubs or Indians to end their drought.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I never called it a suicide squeeze.

you said it's suicide. There's no such thing as a suicide bunt. That's not a thing. I guess you could describe bunting with 2 strikes as suicide. But it's not a term that people use.

When they try a safety squeeze and you call it suicide it causes confusion because it seems like you're referring the to squeeze play the tried which was in fact not a suicide squeeze.

edit: Not you some other guy called it "a suicide" meaning a suicide squeeze and then you tried to explain the term to try to describe why bunting with 2 strikes might be suicide.

 

[The Nemesis]

Extra innings. Baseball gods don't want either of Cubs or Indians to end their drought.

we'll know for sure when lightning strikes a light tower and blacks out 10 city blocks for the next 12 hours.

 

[The Nemesis]

And here comes the tarp.

 

[Ropesman]

no effing way