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Analyzing Dubas's Performance - III

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It would be funnier if JVR won the Cup. Kessel x 2, Bozie, JVR, Stanley Cup Champions, that would be a pretty good kick to the balls.
 
Gallagbi said:
His role was decreasing as the season went on and he was being used less. Babs was using Goat more and more, Lindholm would have been the 14th forward going in to post season behind Ennis.

You're not sure why you'd trade a player who isn't expected to dress in playoffs on an expiring contract for a controllable asset?
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Lindholm was traded just before the playoffs in the year our pk had no Centers and lost us the series. Lindholm the pk specialist.
 
I think it's pretty nitpicky to fault Dubas for Malgin or whatever. There are bigger trades that should get more attention. Not that Dubas is necessarily in the wrong in any of them, but at least it's more impactful.
 
sparxx87 said:
He has value as a 12-13 fwd for close to league minimum. A guy whose defensively responsible and able to play all 3 fwd positions. A role player whose currently filling a role on a Stanley Cup contender.


Nic Petan doesn’t think the game at the NHL level and it’s abundantly clear. Inability to identify that is a pretty serious indictment on ones ability to evaluate a player.
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Right, so no trade value.
 
sparxx87 said:
Remember when Kyle Dubas traded NHL’er Par Lindholm for AHL’er Nic Petan?

Bruce Cassidy and the Boston Bruins seem to have found a role for him. Perfect 12-13th fwd for 800k. Play all 3 fwd positions, solid PK’er, good head for the game, and skills to be a bit of a Swiss Army knife. Good value pickup for the B’s.

Petan is a waste of a roster spot.
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Yes, Boston signed him as a UFA. His last team was Winnipeg before Boston. We got an AHL player for 6 game the jets played Lindholm.
 
m1ker said:
Lindholm was traded just before the playoffs in the year our pk had no Centers and lost us the series. Lindholm the pk specialist.
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Stunning Babs didn't roll with JT or Goat for faceoffs that series, but Hyman was their primary PKer all year and took a lot of SH faceoffs.
 
BertCorbeau said:
Yep. As serious as yours.
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:laugh: what does trade value have to do with it? They didn’t have to trade him at all.

Smart and well managed teams like the Bruins want these type of players in their system. It’s now the most important time of year, he’s in their lineup, and first guy over the boards to kill penalties.


...but the Leafs got an AHL player for him, so somehow it wasn’t a stupid move? :laugh:
 
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Stephen said:
If you want to make an argument that Malgin was acquired for the Marlies, meh, but he's not a viable NHL asset.
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Again, he's a more viable NHL asset than Marchment, which is all that matters here. He has way more NHL games at a younger age.
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A practical example of this is the play-in round. Keefe didn't think to audition him for a job like he did with Robertson. He didn't a look in the Montreal tune-up game. He didn't get consideration for Game One. And when the Leafs were shut out in Game One, it never crossed anyone's mind that Malgin could come in and provide a little scoring punch.
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Because we were relatively healthy at that point and didn't need him. Marchment wouldn't have come any closer to doing anything, so who cares? He wasn't brought in to be the answer in the playoffs. He was an improvement on the thing we gave up. That's it. Every transaction is not going to be the ultimate solution. GMs are allowed to make minor deals.
 
sparxx87 said:
:laugh: what does trade value have to do with it? They didn’t have to trade him at all.

Smart and well managed teams like the Bruins want these type of players in their system. It’s now the most important time of year, he’s in their lineup, and first guy over the boards to kill penalties.


...but the Leafs got an AHL player for him, so somehow it wasn’t a stupid move? :laugh:
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He's a dime a dozen player that can be had in free agency every year. He's nothing special, the very definition of a replacement player. He was very underwhelming in his tenure as a Leaf. Mediocre in all aspects, and scored 1 goal. He wasn't a difference maker on the Leafs below average PK. He was outplayed by others on the roster who were making more of an impact. I believe moving him opened up a spot for Trevor Moore who provided a nice needed spark in the bottom 6.

Good for him in landing a spot in Boston to play a depth role where he's currently in his 2nd playoff game of the series.

If Dubas doesn't trade him he gets blasted for sticking with his small, skilled, soft players over guys like Moore who play with heart and grit :laugh:
 
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sparxx87 said:
Bruce Cassidy and the Boston Bruins seem to have found a role for him. Perfect 12-13th fwd for 800k. Play all 3 fwd positions, solid PK’er, good head for the game, and skills to be a bit of a Swiss Army knife. Good value pickup for the B’s.
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1. Lindholm was horrible with us, and he hasn't been much better on Boston. He's been healthy scratched a ton.
2. Lindholm is not a very good PKer.
3. He's not good at face-offs, so can't really be a reliable center.
4. He was a UFA this past year, so the trade has nothing to do with where he is now. The trade just got us an RFA depth piece for an expiring UFA that wasn't helping us.
5. Trading him opened up a spot for a better internal option in Moore.
 
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m1ker said:
Lindholm was traded just before the playoffs in the year our pk had no Centers and lost us the series. Lindholm the pk specialist.
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This is a little discussed error by the GM to trade center depth for some offensive tweener who never helped. Games get lost by the smallest of margins. Nothing wrong with taking a flyer on a player like Petan but it shouldn't be at the expense of crucial depth for the playoffs. It was the GM getting cute thinking he's hacked the game of hockey.
 
sparxx87 said:
Remember when Kyle Dubas traded NHL’er Par Lindholm for AHL’er Nic Petan?

Bruce Cassidy and the Boston Bruins seem to have found a role for him. Perfect 12-13th fwd for 800k. Play all 3 fwd positions, solid PK’er, good head for the game, and skills to be a bit of a Swiss Army knife. Good value pickup for the B’s.

Petan is a waste of a roster spot.
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Underrated move. Sometimes its better to have players who don't hurt your chances versus long shots that just can't be put in a NHL game. I would not be surprised if he's the type of 4th liner who scored an important goal or assist during the playoffs because he's clearly got some skill but useful enough otherwise.
 
BertCorbeau said:
He's a dime a dozen player that can be had in free agency every year. He's nothing special, the very definition of a replacement player. He was very underwhelming in his tenure as a Leaf. Mediocre in all aspects, and scored 1 goal. He wasn't a difference maker on the Leafs below average PK. He was outplayed by others on the roster who were making more of an impact. I believe moving him opened up a spot for Trevor Moore who provided a nice needed spark in the bottom 6.

Good for him in landing a spot in Boston to play a depth role where he's currently in his 2nd playoff game of the series.

If Dubas doesn't trade him he gets blasted for sticking with his small, skilled, soft players over guys like Moore who play with heart and grit :laugh:
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It was trade deadline and they were heading into the playoffs. Picking up a free agent in case of injury or suspension isn’t an option in the playoffs. Most teams are smart and experienced enough to stock depth players like this that can plug holes on the bottom of their roster.

He’s the 13th fwd on a cup contender with a very good bottom 6 group.

Is Dubas trying to appease fans or give his team the best chance to win hockey games? It’s pretty unclear at this point.
 
Gallagbi said:
Stunning Babs didn't roll with JT or Goat for faceoffs that series, but Hyman was their primary PKer all year and took a lot of SH faceoffs.
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Hughson and Simpson mentioned it in the play-in series but it's interesting how the Leafs don't usually use their centermen on PKs.
 
justashadowof said:
This is a little discussed error by the GM to trade center depth for some offensive tweener who never helped. Games get lost by the smallest of margins. Nothing wrong with taking a flyer on a player like Petan but it shouldn't be at the expense of crucial depth for the playoffs. It was the GM getting cute thinking he's hacked the game of hockey.
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I woulnd't characterize Lindholm as cruicial depth, but it would be nice to see them take more care in adding crucial useable depth instead of collecting skill for the sake of it, especially when they don't have use for it later.
 
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What I really want to see is Kadri wallop someone along the boards, maybe even a bit dirty with hands up, and for all of us to see it treated as a complete nothing burger because there's no longer a blue leaf on his chest.
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so you are saying DOPS, is biased against the leafs?
 
justashadowof said:
What I really want to see is Kadri wallop someone along the boards, maybe even a bit dirty with hands up, and for all of us to see it treated as a complete nothing burger because there's no longer a blue leaf on his chest.
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Did you see Mackinnon beat up on Fischer in the late game scrum today? It was great seeing a superstar unleash a bit of hostility in self defense, and would love to see that kind of attitude from our big guns who can dish it out.
 
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