Proposal: Anaheim - Winnipeg

[mytduxfan*]

Highest I would go is Trouba + 2017 1st for Lindholm.

Still "no".

 

[sully1410]

Still "no".

That's good because this Jets fan wouldn't do it either. So here it is, Lindholm is not better than Trouba. He outscored trouba this year by a staggering 7 points, despite playing more PP time than he did and playing on the top ranked PP in the league. Trouba played on the Jets, which was awful.

So saying ridiculous things like Trouba was awful this year...is just that. Ridiculous. Trouba actually outscored Lindholm at even strength this year.

If the Jets coaching staff actually pull their collective heads out of their collective ***** this year...you are actually looking players that are almost one hundred percent equal and will come down to personal preference more than anything.

And you can name almost any defensemen in the league...and they wouldn't be as much of a burden on their D partner as Mark Stuart is.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

That's good because this Jets fan wouldn't do it either. So here it is, Lindholm is not better than Trouba. He outscored trouba this year by a staggering 7 points, despite playing more PP time than he did and playing on the top ranked PP in the league. Trouba played on the Jets, which was awful.

So saying ridiculous things like Trouba was awful this year...is just that. Ridiculous. Trouba actually outscored Lindholm at even strength this year.

If the Jets coaching staff actually pull their collective heads out of their collective ***** this year...you are actually looking players that are almost one hundred percent equal and will come down to personal preference more than anything.

And you can name almost any defensemen in the league...and they wouldn't be as much of a burden on their D partner as Mark Stuart is.

But he is, Lindholm drives possession as much as any dman in the league and did so mostly playing with a rookie. At this time Lindholm is pretty clearly the better player, and when it comes to point production he was extremely unlucky last year.

 

[dracom]

That's good because this Jets fan wouldn't do it either. So here it is, Lindholm is not better than Trouba. He outscored trouba this year by a staggering 7 points, despite playing more PP time than he did and playing on the top ranked PP in the league. Trouba played on the Jets, which was awful.

So saying ridiculous things like Trouba was awful this year...is just that. Ridiculous. Trouba actually outscored Lindholm at even strength this year.

If the Jets coaching staff actually pull their collective heads out of their collective ***** this year...you are actually looking players that are almost one hundred percent equal and will come down to personal preference more than anything.

And you can name almost any defensemen in the league...and they wouldn't be as much of a burden on their D partner as Mark Stuart is.

Because putting up points is what makes a defensemen better than another.

Lindholm is better than Trouba in every way.

 

[Sojourn]

Trouba is more physical.

And... that's all I've got.

 

[Pongs21]

Because putting up points is what makes a defensemen better than another.

Lindholm is better than Trouba in every way.

That's what Jets fan have been arguing about with regards to Trouba, but apparently this argument only rings true if it's for your own player from this thread and every other thread involving ANA D. I admit Lindholm is the better player at this time, however the difference is much much smaller than some of your fan base is willing to admit, thinking the difference is a 1st + .

 

[Arthuros]

Please don't generalize. I don't think the difference between the two is a 1st.

We take issue that we move the best player in the deal when we need to be making our team as strong as we can for a Cup run, to say nothing about the unwillingness/incompetence of management.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That's what Jets fan have been arguing about with regards to Trouba, but apparently this argument only rings true if it's for your own player from this thread and every other thread involving ANA D. I admit Lindholm is the better player at this time, however the difference is much much smaller than some of your fan base is willing to admit, thinking the difference is a 1st + .

The point is he isn't available... so anything involving lindholm better be a big overpayment or nothing at all.

 

[WaveRaven]

I'll believe the difference between Lindholm and Trouba has more to do with the teams and usage than skills.

I value all around play over offense on D so I'll keep Trouba thanks.

 

[Maukkis]

Please don't generalize. I don't think the difference between the two is a 1st.

We take issue that we move the best player in the deal when we need to be making our team as strong as we can for a Cup run, to say nothing about the unwillingness/incompetence of management.

What do you think about this?

I went over to the Ducks board and started reading through some of their discussions regarding Lindholm. One of the themes is Lindholm is looking for long term security while a lower cost bridge fits much better with their current salary structure and win now window. Trouba might be fine with a 2 year bridge in Southern California on a win now team. Also the Ducks only have 10 forwards under contract still needing to sign Rakell, so there seems to be a need for some "cheap" promising young forwards. Which we have in spades as of now

Not saying that Lindholm isn't a player who should ever be the victim of team's internal budget, but what KingBogo said makes sense: having Trouba on a very cheap deal for the next two years and getting forward help as an addition to him would be beneficial. Both teams seem to have the defenseman who would fit the other team's situation better.

It's one thing to downgrade from Lindholm to Trouba, but if that comes with an upgrade on offense, I would think about it.

 

[Sojourn]

I'll believe the difference between Lindholm and Trouba has more to do with the teams and usage than skills.

I value all around play over offense on D so I'll keep Trouba thanks.

I ... what? Are you under the impression that Lindholm is used strictly in offense roles, or something?

 

[KaseMeOutside]

I'll believe the difference between Lindholm and Trouba has more to do with the teams and usage than skills.

I value all around play over offense on D so I'll keep Trouba thanks.

If you do, then the conclusion you'd make is Lindholm is better

 

[lindholmie]

I'll believe the difference between Lindholm and Trouba has more to do with the teams and usage than skills.

I value all around play over offense on D so I'll keep Trouba thanks.

?? Lindholm is one of the best defensive d men in the league

 

[rockinghockey]

Winnipeg over pays,
Wish edm could get Trouba

 

[Exit Dose]

I ... what? Are you under the impression that Lindholm is used strictly in offense roles, or something?

Yeah, I can't imagine that this person has watched much of Lindholm if they didn't come away thinking he was an all-around defenseman.

 

[Vipers31]

I'll believe the difference between Lindholm and Trouba has more to do with the teams and usage than skills.

I value all around play over offense on D so I'll keep Trouba thanks.

Strong contender for most puzzling post of the offseason. Putting more value on offense is probably the best (or rather least weak) argument to hold Trouba in similar regard as Lindholm. Lindholm is all-around play personified.

 

[snipes]

Yeah, I can't imagine that this person has watched much of Lindholm if they didn't come away thinking he was an all-around defenseman.

Agreed.

Lindholm is a true #1, he's the most valuable asset ANA has in my view. Throw in Trouba's insufferable agent, no brainer for ANA to pass.

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

it's not crazy, but I do feel Lindholm is better now and I like his ceiling better as well. As for Connor and Ritchie, I think both are really good prospects. Connor is one of the hot prospects out there, he had a really good season last year, but it's hard to know who's going to be better better between him and Richie. The draft pick is a valuable piece for sure, but the Ducks are in win now mode with Getzlaf, Perry, and Kesler. So I don't see them looking to roll the dice on another pick. With Lindholm being the best player in the deal, I don't see the Ducks having any interest in this deal. That being said, a lot of really nice pieces in this proposal, and the value looked close to me.

 

[WaveRaven]

Trouba is far more physical than Lindholm full stop. Better along the boards, better in front of the net, blocks more shots, consistently has more takeaways while playing on a lottery team with an anchor as a partner but apparently Lindholm is better at everything. Physicality is part of all around play !


I don't see this massive superiority I think if you swap teams you'd be in for a suprise.

 

[OCSportsfan]

How about something around Vatanen and Trouba.

Wpg gets a signed young RHD

Fill in the rest to make it even.

Maybe

Vatanen
Pick/prospect

Trouba
Cost controlled NHL forward

 

[Gabe Kupari]

How about something around Vatanen and Trouba.

Wpg gets a signed young RHD

Fill in the rest to make it even.

Maybe

Vatanen
Pick/prospect

Trouba
Cost controlled NHL forward

Nope. Won't happen. Jets pass easily. Why do people constantly think they will be able to bend Chevy over in a trade. It doesn't work like that

 

[OCSportsfan]

Just use that as a starting point. If you dont like Vatanen, then I get it , but it is not an uneven trade depending on who is added to each side.

At least you get a signed defensemen who can play tp 4, Power play and is RHD. There is value there if your GM is not sure he can sign Trouba for a reasonable amount.

 

[mondo3]

Wpg's goal is to get a LHD, not a RHD.

 

[OCSportsfan]

Wpg's goal is to get a LHD, not a RHD.

My bad, thought you would want a RHD for RHD. I would say Fowler, but Ducks need him to get a LW.

 

[Maukkis]

Just use that as a starting point. If you dont like Vatanen, then I get it , but it is not an uneven trade depending on who is added to each side.

At least you get a signed defensemen who can play tp 4, Power play and is RHD. There is value there if your GM is not sure he can sign Trouba for a reasonable amount.

Well, we have this big guy who takes the 1st unit powerplay time... and then another big guy for the second PP. Trouba, on the other hand, can play top pairing and 1st unit PK, which is much, MUCH bigger need than Vatanen will be for the next five years.