Proposal: Anaheim-Toronto

[BB88]

Negotiations are on-going?

They shouldn't be.

Latest(rumoured) numbers from Lindholms ask have been well under 6M.

 

[Liferleafer]

They shouldn't be.

Latest(rumoured) numbers from Lindholms ask have been well under 6M.

If that's true, i would trade alot to get him and sign him to a Rielly type deal.

 

[Sojourn]

They shouldn't be.

Latest(rumoured) numbers from Lindholms ask have been well under 6M.

Why not? What if Murray feels that Lindholm's value is, say, $5.4m?

I understand that everyone here has their own opinion of what Lindholm is worth, and they are willing to throw money at him, but that's pretty easy to say when it isn't your money and you aren't involved in the negotiations.

There are a lot of things Murray has done that I don't like. Trying to get the best deal possible for Anaheim, in RFA negotiations, is not one of those things.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Montour and Larsson are worth a 2nd?

I'd value them higher, currently, than I would the 1st.

Easily. If there is any GM in the league who has the cap to take on Stoner but would not do this deal he should be fired. Getting Larsson or Montour for only a 2nd plus a moderate cap dump is a steal.

 

[Liferleafer]

Easily. If there is any GM in the league who has the cap to take on Stoner but would not do this deal he should be fired. Getting Larsson or Montour for only a 2nd plus a moderate cap dump is a steal.

And considering Lou and company have recently been willing to take back Greening/Michalek/Laich in deals for a benefit....i can see them doing this as well.

 

[BB88]

Why not? What if Murray feels that Lindholm's value is, say, $5.4m?

I understand that everyone here has their own opinion of what Lindholm is worth, and they are willing to throw money at him, but that's pretty easy to say when it isn't your money and you aren't involved in the negotiations.

There are a lot of things Murray has done that I don't like. Trying to get the best deal possible for Anaheim, in RFA negotiations, is not one of those things.

Then he needs to be fired, the season is already on and under 6M contract has pretty high steal potential.
He's the best young defenseman in the league.

 

[Sojourn]

Then he needs to be fired, the season is already on and under 6M contract is screaming the word steal.
He's the best young defenseman in the league.

That just goes back to being an opinion, doesn't it?

I'm an Anaheim fan. I love what Lindholm has brought. I'm against paying him $6m+. He's not worth that yet. That's my opinion. It's just as valid as yours.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Why not? What if Murray feels that Lindholm's value is, say, $5.4m?

I understand that everyone here has their own opinion of what Lindholm is worth, and they are willing to throw money at him, but that's pretty easy to say when it isn't your money and you aren't involved in the negotiations.

There are a lot of things Murray has done that I don't like. Trying to get the best deal possible for Anaheim, in RFA negotiations, is not one of those things.

Agree, especially when the most recent comparable for Lindholm's contract is $5mil x 6years (Rielly) - that's a long term building block deal for the franchise

 

[McDonald19]

Are these career ending injuries? If not, what happens when they return?

Trades, buyouts next summer (Bieksa, Stoner). Get the contract done worry about that later.

 

[Liferleafer]

Trades, buyouts next summer (Bieksa, Stoner). Get the contract done worry about that later.

So, the problem with signing Lindholm is the internal budget.....but they are going to buy out players to do it?

 

[McDonald19]

Yes, if that would work it would have happened already, especially when Despres was put on LTIR.

Except Thompson isn't on LTIR yet, and Stoner won't be demoted until Lindholm's agent and Murray agree to terms.

 

[Sojourn]

So, the problem with signing Lindholm is the internal budget.....but they are going to buy out players to do it?

No, the problem with signing Lindholm is that he has been asking for more than Murray feels he is worth.

The actual cap is, potentially(likely) an obstacle, but the internal budget doesn't seem to be an issue right now. With the expansion coming, it looks like ownership is willing to spend to the cap.

 

[McDonald19]

So, the problem with signing Lindholm is the internal budget.....but they are going to buy out players to do it?

The actual salary cap and icing a competitive roster has become more important than the internal cap.

But please provide a source that states Lindholm can't be signed because of internal budget set by a billionaire owner.

 

[Randy Randerson]

This came up in another thread from a Ducks fan:

To Toronto:
Stoner (at full price)
1 of Larrsson/Montour/1st

To Ducks:
2nd

This gives the Ducks some cap flexability and gives Toronto a decent, albeit over payed, Dman as well as a future piece. I would prefer 1 of the players over the 1st, but would do any of them.

I haven't really seen any Ducks fans respond as to what they think about the deal, more in defense of Larsson&Montour being worth more than a 2nd (which obviously they are)

From the leafs side I could get behind this, we could use another high upside D prospect especially from the Right side or that 1st rounder could be either used on a faller (Konecny, Julien Gauthier, German Rubtsov type) or to trade down for additional picks if someone really wants an available player (seems to be a go-to move for our management group). I don't think the 1st+Stoner is enough because that's probably only like a 10-15 place jump from our 2nd, but one of the prospects could do it

 

[Liferleafer]

The actual salary cap and icing a competitive roster has become more important than the internal cap.

But please provide a source that states Lindholm can't be signed because of internal budget set by a billionaire owner.

The only source i have is that the Ducks are currently playing....and Lindholm is not. If, as you say, there aren't cap issues....one would think he'd be signed.

 

[Sojourn]

The only source i have is that the Ducks are currently playing....and Lindholm is not. If, as you say, there aren't cap issues....one would think he'd be signed.

That argument is a fallacy. Both sides still need to agree to a contract salary and term.

 

[McDonald19]

Then why haven't we done anything? We put Despres on LTIR, yet still no Lindholm signed.

I was pushing this idea before Despres was put on LTIR, but since that happened and still no signed Lindholm, there must be something we're not seeing that is keeping that idea from working.

They are getting closer on salary.

They are bridging a gap that was as big as 2 mil per at one point (Ducks at 5, Lindholm at 7).

 

[McDonald19]

The only source i have is that the Ducks are currently playing....and Lindholm is not. If, as you say, there aren't cap issues....one would think he'd be signed.

Or Murray is negotiating a fair salary rather than giving in to the demands of an agent.

 

[McDonald19]

I haven't really seen any Ducks fans respond as to what they think about the deal, more in defense of Larsson&Montour being worth more than a 2nd (which obviously they are)

From the leafs side I could get behind this, we could use another high upside D prospect especially from the Right side or that 1st rounder could be either used on a faller (Konecny, Julien Gauthier, German Rubtsov type) or to trade down for additional picks if someone really wants an available player (seems to be a go-to move for our management group). I don't think the 1st+Stoner is enough because that's probably only like a 10-15 place jump from our 2nd, but one of the prospects could do it

Basically the Ducks are selling a very good prospect for a 2nd round pick.

Larsson and Montour are NHL ready, the 2nd round pick has a 50/50 chance of helping Anaheim in 5 years.

 

[Liferleafer]

Or Murray is negotiating a fair salary rather than giving in to the demands of an agent.

If a post above is true with Lindholm at 7 and Murray at 5, i find it impossible that they haven't agreed on 6 a long time ago.

 

[Advanced stats]

Montour/Larsson+Stoner

For

3rd + c prospect and this leafs fan is all on board.

Our second could be quite valuable though. No offering it.

Or take your pick of our bottom pairing dmen or Martin, Holland, michalek.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Trades, buyouts next summer (Bieksa, Stoner). Get the contract done worry about that later.

Hard to worry about it later though when every team knows you're desperate to shed salary. You can't just keep Despres and Thompson on LTIR forever if they're healthy.

 

[Liferleafer]

Basically the Ducks are selling a very good prospect for a 2nd round pick.

Larsson and Montour are NHL ready, the 2nd round pick has a 50/50 chance of helping Anaheim in 5 years.

My proposal was more to benefit the Ducks with Stoner's cap while giving the Leafs a future piece. If, as you say, the Ducks don't need that space...then it doesn't make sense for them.

 

[caliamad]

Basically the Ducks are selling a very good prospect for a 2nd round pick.

Larsson and Montour are NHL ready, the 2nd round pick has a 50/50 chance of helping Anaheim in 5 years.

Theodore yes, larsson maybe, Montour we can't say that.

I still would give up any of them unless Toronto gives us their first.

Our first and third or equivalent propsect for their 2nd? He'll yeah.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Basically the Ducks are selling a very good prospect for a 2nd round pick.

Larsson and Montour are NHL ready, the 2nd round pick has a 50/50 chance of helping Anaheim in 5 years.

The benefit back would be cap/budget relief with Stoner, presumably to sign Lindholm

Agree that both of those prospects are worth more than a 2nd in isolation, just wondering if that financial relief is worth anything to Ducks fans? Toronto is in a position to provide that relief over the next 2-3 years so it would make sense for us if we could add to our D prospect corps