Friedman: Anaheim and Detroit talking trade?

[Frk It]

Oh yea I def agree, and mantha is the type of forward we value highly in our system, idk much bout him(how is his 2 way game and physical play?) but he could def make our team and give us the ability to roll 3 strong forward line, a much needed boost in depth, and really we wouldn't be giving up a piece of thee roster for it(granted I think Theodore was a big plan for our future) but if we feel fowler can be resigned then maybe Theodore is expendable for that kind of move.

I def like the idea of

Mantha Getzlaf Ritchie
Silfverberg Kesler Cogliano
Perry Vermette Rakell
Cramarossa Wagner/Thompson Garbutt

Could swap perry and mantha or rakell and Ritchie depending on which players form better chemistry but I know perry and rakell have had chemistry before.

He is all of 6'5" and moves very well for his size. Honestly though, he is not a banger by any means. He is a guy who uses his reach well, and uses his size to gain position in front of the net on the power play. He's not like Nick Ritchie, he's a much more finesse player. Kind of like a young Jeff Carter. He also reminds us of Franzen a bit.

Pretty skilled though for a big man. Underrated passer, and has pretty good hands. Definitely coordinated. Both slap shot and wrist shot are very good. Can play the point on the PP, although you guys seem to have that covered already. Didn't think he used his shot enough in the past, but he seems to have changed his mentality as of late.

I suggest you watch a game if possible, and key in on him when we get a Power Play.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

He is all of 6'5" and moves very well for his size. Honestly though, he is not a banger by any means. He is a guy who uses his reach well, and uses his size to gain position in front of the net on the power play. He's not like Nick Ritchie, he's a much more finesse player. Kind of like a young Jeff Carter. He also reminds us of Franzen a bit.

Pretty skilled though for a big man. Underrated passer, and has pretty good hands. Definitely coordinated. Both slap shot and wrist shot are very good. Can play the point on the PP, although you guys seem to have that covered already. Didn't think he used his shot enough in the past, but he seems to have changed his mentality as of late.

I suggest you watch a game if possible, and key in on him when we get a Power Play.

Yea hes def a player I wanted to see a bit (I know ducks and wings have been talking a bit the last season or so) so ill def check him out if he comes up to the big club.

We def have the centers for him to succeed with

 

[Frk It]

I wouldn't expect them to. But that's the kind of player I think Detroit would want in order to move Mantha right now. For the last 6+ months Mantha has been putting it together, and even had a solid NHL stint. Montour has less pedigree, is completely untested in the NHL and is actually older than Mantha. Wings need help in their Top 4D, preferably top 2D, no way Kenny Holland gambles his best prospect on Montour being that guy.

Well, that's the thing. I don't see any team giving us a young established top 2 D or top 4 D for Mantha. If we want reinforcements on defense we probably need to trade our young promising forward prospect for someone else's young promising defenseman prospect and hope we come out ahead even or better in the long run.

If Holland wants to address our defense he is going to have to take on some risk. Otherwise we'll continue on with 4-5 years being on the trade block with no trades for a defenseman.

 

[BeersHockey]

We'll know whether its Mantha or not if they still go to Griffins games. Mantha called up to the big club for the next 1-2 weeks (AA injured).

 

[go4hockey]

Theodore has established more to date, but I think Mantha has the better ceiling. Would throw in a 2nd or 3rd rounder if need be. That trade has the potential to make us look real dumb, you have to acknowledge that. From a tools perspective, Mantha has a hell of a lot to offer.

While a lot you say here is true it's also the same for Ana as it could make them look dumb too. You pump up your guy but don't mention all that Theodore has to offer and really they are pretty close as far as prospects go.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

I don't really like the idea of giving up on Mantha, but I really think he'd make the Wings look stupid if they traded him. And after all this time, I would kind of enjoy seeing Holland look foolish.

 

[Frk It]

While a lot you say here is true it's also the same for Ana as it could make them look dumb too. You pump up your guy but don't mention all that Theodore has to offer and really they are pretty close as far as prospects go.

But worst case scenario you guys still have Lindholm, Fowler, Vatanen, Montour, Manson, etc... so how dumb are you really gonna look?

The knock on the Wings the last 4-5 years is we lack size and scoring. Mantha is our biggest and best goal scoring prospect.

 

[caliamad]

I really hope the ducks don't make any crazy moves. I really like the team and I think they are top 9 forward away from being a real powerhouse.

If they were to make a move, I hope only stoner/bieksa or a depth forward is moved. I am more than fine moving one of our defensive prospects, even the top shelf ones, if the player coming back is signed for long term or will be an RFA at the end of the contract (i.e. cost controlled at least for 2 years).

Ducks should do everything they can to keep fowler and sign him to an extension. He has gone form a guy managing top2 minutes to a guy that is becoming dominating. I wonder what the CF% charts say now.

 

[tony d]

Mantha in a package deal for Fowler might work.

 

[dracom]

We're not trading our best defensemen for prospects right now. If we're making a move for forward prospects, it's a defensemen prospect going.

 

[Yzerman1919*]

Fowler price tag has gone up sense draft doubt you guys would want to pay for him anymore cause Mantha or AA is likely the add

That is the add

If you are taking Lindholm sure!

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

That is the add

If you are taking Lindholm sure!

You can laugh but his value has gone up sense draft, that would likely be the offer to peak our interest.

Lindholm just signed a cheap long deal, hes not available at all.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Mantha in a package deal for Fowler might work.

Huge difference between mantha and fowler... and were in win now mode so picks don't make up that difference

 

[Yzerman1919*]

You can laugh but his value has gone up sense draft, that would likely be the offer to peak our interest.

Lindholm just signed a cheap long deal, hes not available at all.

That was the sarcasm. Of course he isn't. I also don't trust you "since" since and sense are two different terms. Mantha or AA as an "add" is a joke. They are a main piece without a doubt. If you watch them often enough you would know why. Fowler is a great offensive d-man, but he kind of sucks in his own end. He isn't worth a boatload package you might want.

Huge difference between mantha and fowler... and were in win now mode so picks don't make up that difference

Right you are in win now mode but don't want a proven goal scorer at every level so far who is 6'5" when Anaheim needs offense. His salary hit is almost nothing at this point also which is a concern of yours too.

 

[Sojourn]

Mantha in a package deal for Fowler might work.

Not for Anaheim. That is a huge step backwards.

 

[dracom]

That was the sarcasm. Of course he isn't. I also don't trust you "since" since and sense are two different terms. Mantha or AA as an "add" is a joke. They are a main piece without a doubt. If you watch them often enough you would know why. Fowler is a great offensive d-man, but he kind of sucks in his own end. He isn't worth a boatload package you might want.



Right you are in win now mode but don't want a proven goal scorer at every level so far who is 6'5" when Anaheim needs offense. His salary hit is almost nothing at this point also which is a concern of yours too.

Thanks for showing everyone you don't know who Fowler is or how he plays and only looks at stats.

Also, Mantha isn't a proven goal scorer in the NHL, which is what we want if we are trading Fowler.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Mantha in a package deal for Fowler might work.

Fowler isn't getting traded right now, And besides it would take far more then just Mantha to get Cam Fowler home to Detroit. If a deal were to go down around Mantha more or less it would be for Brandon Montour.

 

[Sojourn]

That was the sarcasm. Of course he isn't. I also don't trust you "since" since and sense are two different terms. Mantha or AA as an "add" is a joke. They are a main piece without a doubt. If you watch them often enough you would know why. Fowler is a great offensive d-man, but he kind of sucks in his own end. He isn't worth a boatload package you might want.



Right you are in win now mode but don't want a proven goal scorer at every level so far who is 6'5" when Anaheim needs offense. His salary hit is almost nothing at this point also which is a concern of yours too.

So, in this post you've shown ignorance regarding Fowler, and a bias towards Mantha. Mmkay.

Here's my counter: Mantha is 22 and has shown little to nothing at the NHL level.

Do I believe it? Maybe. Who knows. But you can't dispute it. You can try, but there is little to no evidence that Mantha is an NHL player right now. Anaheim isn't trading a much better Fowler for that.

 

[HisNoodliness]

I don't think there's a trade between these teams anymore. Before you guys got your team signed a Tatar+ for Fowler trade made sense but now everyone is signed and there's no need on your part to move Fowler.

For the wings, Holland is much more interested in an established piece because our defense needs help now and in the future. He's too afraid to gamble. Personally I'd like someone like Montour because the wings should be future oriented. That being said I hope we don't trade Mantha. I'd rather trade Nyquist, Tatar or Svechnikov.

If a trade is happening and its involving a GR player it's either Mantha or Svechnikov. Montour makes the most sense coming back but I'll be very surprised if Holland is brave enough to work out a trade involving those pieces.

 

[Hammettf2b]

I don't think there's a trade between these teams anymore. Before you guys got your team signed a Tatar+ for Fowler trade made sense but now everyone is signed and there's no need on your part to move Fowler.

For the wings, Holland is much more interested in an established piece because our defense needs help now and in the future. He's too afraid to gamble. Personally I'd like someone like Montour because the wings should be future oriented. That being said I hope we don't trade Mantha. I'd rather trade Nyquist, Tatar or Svechnikov.

If a trade is happening and its involving a GR player it's either Mantha or Svechnikov. Montour makes the most sense coming back but I'll be very surprised if Holland is brave enough to work out a trade involving those pieces.

What is the situation for the Ducks regarding the expansion draft? If everything stays the same (no trade) who is left exposed for the Ducks defense?

 

[Sojourn]

What is the situation for the Ducks regarding the expansion draft? If everything stays the same (no trade) who is left exposed for the Ducks defense?

That's a matter of some debate, and it depends on certain assumptions.

But if you're assuming that Anaheim will sell low because of it, I think you're mistaken.

 

[Hammettf2b]

That's a matter of some debate, and it depends on certain assumptions.

But if you're assuming that Anaheim will sell low because of it, I think you're mistaken.

Was simply asking the situation, not assuming anything.

 

[dracom]

Was simply asking the situation, not assuming anything.

We protect Lindholm,Fowler, Vats and have Bieksa either waive his NMC or get bought out. Leaves Despres and Manson exposed.

 

[Sojourn]

Was simply asking the situation, not assuming anything.

Fair enough. The answer is, we aren't really sure. Bieksa has a NMC, so if you take that as a lock, Anaheim could be losing two of Vatanen, Manson, or Fowler. But really, in Anaheim we aren't giving that much weight. He'll be asked to waive, and if he doesn't the expectation is he is bought out. It isn't ideal, if it comes to that, but it would be catastrophically stupid of Anaheim to protect one year of Bieksa over the likes of Manson, Fowler, or Vatanen.

So, that leaves one of Vatanen, Manson, or Fowler. One of them will be exposed, unless Anaheim trades one of them or they work out a deal with Vegas. That assumes Anaheim goes the 7-3-1 route in protecting their players. That may not be the case, but I think that's the assumption we've been making. In that case, I think Manson would be exposed but I also think Anaheim will try to work out a deal for Vegas to pick someone else and they'll sweeten the pot. Bit of a stretch, but that seems to be the general feeling. Lindholm will be protected. That's a given.

That's if everything says the same. I'm not entirely sure that will be the case. I would, previously, have said that Fowler would be moved before the expansion to make things easier for Anaheim. Now, I'm more inclined to think Murray will try to hold on to him, and it might be Vatanen. He's been very underwhelming to start the season. Disappointingly so. If this continues deeper into the season, he may just play his way off the team. Anaheim isn't going to want to be paying him $5m over the next four years if this is the play they'll be getting.

The good news is that Theodore, Larsson, and Montour are exempt. That gives Anaheim a nice cushion if they were to lose a good defenseman to the expansion. That's a nice place to be, in an otherwise tough situation.

Hope that helps.

 

[Sojourn]

Oh, right. Despres. I kind of glossed over him, because I'm having a tough time penciling him in moving forward. His career seems to be in jeopardy. He'd be exposed too, if he's available to play.