Confirmed Trade: [ANA/VGK] Evgenii Dadonov, cond. 2023/24 2nd round pick for John Moore, Ryan Kesler [OFFICIALLY VOIDED]

[terranraida]

I have a feeling that the Golden Knights might have had an influence on this trade being voided… they had a change of heart and didn’t want that COCKroach Ryan Kesler associated with their franchise.

It's been 5 years since the 2017 playoffs. Let it go my guy.

 

[Spektre]

Hahaha…

Vegas is screwed hopefully. They already circumvented the cap by putting Stone on LTIR just to activate Eichel.

If I were a rebuilding team I’d ask for 3 1st round picks to take anyone they have to get rid of

 

[stampedingviking]

If you think compensation isn’t worth the time and energy for this debacle then I don’t know what to say. You’re completely on your own of the minority who thinks that. You’ve had moderators, and majority of duck fans that think Anaheim should get something in return for this screw up

No way, really?

 

[ijuka]

Correct decision.

 

[CanadienShark]

Out of curiosity... Could Vegas deal him back to Ottawa? Assuming yes since you wouldn't use your no trade list on the team you were with at the time.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

Elliot Friedman.

Not clear why the Sens didn't think the list was not in effect, but it is clear that what they communicated to the Knights and the League is that the list was not in effect. And the fact that the rebuttal of the list not being in effect are the sources (likely the agent?) showing that it was in and received on time.

LeBrun has an article on The Athletic about it and apparently this isn't the first time something like this has happened its just the first where it became an issue. It's a very loose and secretive system, if you can even call it a system, mistakes are bound to be made.

 

[Icarium]

And Kesler must have been so excited about his new team... Poor guy.

 

[um]

The issue is that, allegedly, they were led to believe that the NTC was void because the player didn't submit the list by the July 1st deadline.

That seems like a weak excuse. Vegas should be making sure before trading Dadonov.

You gotta know your own players NTC terms.

 

[um]

And Kesler must have been so excited about his new team... Poor guy.

He probably would have saved a bunch of money being employed in Nevada instead of California.

 

[SoupNazi]

We're probably never going to find out what caused this debacle.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

well this situation is going to get very interesting this summer, I wonder if they terminate his contract after the season.

 

[Zonk]

And Kesler must have been so excited about his new team... Poor guy.

Justin Bourne (on the Fan 590 in Toronto) suggested that Kesler would have been excited to move from the state with the highest state income tax (California) to one with no state tax. I am not sure if this is accurate, since I have read elsewhere that the tax is affected by the state or province where the player resides more than where the team that is paying him is located. I do not know where Kesler's couch is located.

 

[John Strachan]

I never really considered force majeure, that is a good point. Did the players get paid out their full contracts for that season?

Edit: also did the trade have a force majeure clause tied to it

Pretty sure the CBA does have some provisions for force majeure in it, and almost all contracts have force majeure in the lawyer fine print so I would suspect it was in the deal. The provision was applied during the end of the 2020 season when the last 3 months of games were cancelled and the players were paid for the rest of the season so there was a fair amount of ad libbing happening at the time.

 

[Nihiliste]

This is the most entertaining drama in the league in a while. Feel bad for Dadonov but otherwise hilarious

 

[Boris Zubov]

well this situation is going to get very interesting this summer, I wonder if they terminate his contract after the season.

On what grounds? The team can buy him out or waive him & hope he's claimed, but they can't just cancel his contract because they are in cap hell.

 

[DueDiligence]

Sounds like Ottawa caused it.

I never knew Elliott Friedman was the new voice of the NHL head office.

 

[John Strachan]

Elliot Friedman.

Not clear why the Sens didn't think the list was not in effect, but it is clear that what they communicated to the Knights and the League is that the list was not in effect. And the fact that the rebuttal of the list not being in effect are the sources (likely the agent?) showing that it was in and received on time.

There were a lot of wishy washy words in the tweet that Friedman posted “somehow”, ”led to believe“ that show a great deal of uncertainty and it is 2nd hand speculation so I am not sure what you can take from his reporting. After all, how accurate has Friedman been on trade rumors or other NHL issues? I doubt there is any real proof or there would have been more action from the league. I could certainly see that the Sens may have been concentrating on the actual deal between the Sens and the VGK when they were questioned about the NTC (ie. since the VGK was not on the list so it wouldn’t make any difference in that deal) but somehow the VGK and NHL reps may have thought that meant that there were no NTC issues.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

On what grounds? The team can buy him out or waive him & hope he's claimed, but they can't just cancel his contract because they are in cap hell.

no but there is such a thing as mutual termination

if the player agrees to it they can do it.

in this case I can't see the player wanting to be back in Vegas

 

[kingpest19]

Justin Bourne (on the Fan 590 in Toronto) suggested that Kesler would have been excited to move from the state with the highest state income tax (California) to one with no state tax. I am not sure if this is accurate, since I have read elsewhere that the tax is affected by the state or province where the player resides more than where the team that is paying him is located. I do not know where Kesler's couch is located.

Doesn't he live in Michigan?

 

[Fatass]

Will the Vegas GM get axed over this terrible mistake?

 

[Boris Zubov]

no but there is such a thing as mutual termination

if the player agrees to it they can do it.

in this case I can't see the player wanting to be back in Vegas

Why would the player agree? He's due to make 6.5M next year, doubtful he gets a new deal worth that much at his age.

Even if he didn't want to go back to Vegas, they could trade him to a team not on his list.

 

[John Strachan]

LeBrun has an article on The Athletic about it and apparently this isn't the first time something like this has happened its just the first where it became an issue. It's a very loose and secretive system, if you can even call it a system, mistakes are bound to be made.

Interesting point in that article is that there is no mandated date or even a requirement that the team list be given to the team to be valid. Any deadline is apparently is part of the negotiation of the NTC and varies from contract to contract. Part of the reasoning is that players might want to wait until closer to the deadline to have a better idea of which teams to exclude if they want to go to a team that has a shot at the playoffs and the Cup. Hence, possibly one of the reasons that the LGK didn’t make a big deal about it when they did their deal with Ottawa, but a situation which would make you think that you should check with the player or his agent to clarify if you know the condition is in the contract and you are trying to trade the player.

He also briefly covers the privacy of the team lists and mentions that from a players perspective they might not want that information to get out. I can see where it would suck that even if you aren’t on the trade block, you get booed and insulted in some cities because it was leaked that you don’t want to play there.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I wish this said “the league voided the trade. Dadonov is still a Knight. f***!”

 

[John Strachan]

no but there is such a thing as mutual termination

if the player agrees to it they can do it.

in this case I can't see the player wanting to be back in Vegas

There may be mutual termination but it doesn’t mean that the player could declare himself a UFA in the middle of the season and sign a new contract in a new town so that he can play the rest of the season. Or that the team would get any cap relief.

Fans make a big deal about issues like this but most players know it’s a business and try not to get caught up in getting revenge against the club. They want to play for their teammates and they want to be positive and effective so that they can be viewed as a good asset and move on to a good team. At this point, Dadanov doesn’t have much value, but if he somehow managed to help get the Knights into the playoffs, there would be a lot more teams interested in taking him on.

The real issue is whether the VGK need his cap space to bring in someone who could help them out in the short term to get into the playoffs. I would suspect that getting rid of his cap hit was primarily to bring Martinez off of LTIR to help shore up the defense. Having Dadanov take up a roster space when they are bleeding goals doesn’t help them in the playoff hunt.

 

[BigZ65]

There were a lot of wishy washy words in the tweet that Friedman posted “somehow”, ”led to believe“ that show a great deal of uncertainty and it is 2nd hand speculation so I am not sure what you can take from his reporting. After all, how accurate has Friedman been on trade rumors or other NHL issues? I doubt there is any real proof or there would have been more action from the league. I could certainly see that the Sens may have been concentrating on the actual deal between the Sens and the VGK when they were questioned about the NTC (ie. since the VGK was not on the list so it wouldn’t make any difference in that deal) but somehow the VGK and NHL reps may have thought that meant that there were no NTC issues.

Also a double negative to start that makes the whole tweet nonsensical. Have to guess at what he's actually trying to say.