Proposal: ANA/NJ Blockbuster (Schneider)

[Readytostart]

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Schneider is absolutely the better goaltender, but Anaheim won the Jennings with Andersen and Gibson. I think you're exaggerating the difference Schneider would make, especially when we're getting weaker elsewhere.

This deal doesn't make sense for Anaheim. At all. There's a reason we traded Andersen to Toronto, instead of paying him. Now you're suggesting that not only do we pay Schneider more, but we move assets to acquire him.

I think people that watch Anaheim have a few questions about Gibby. He's young, he's promising, he looks like he could be a star, maybe there are just growing pains.
But: what 's his injury history right now, at 23? Couple groin injuries? Is he ready to reach his potential yet, or is still a year or two away? Remember how long it took Price to finally get there? If the Ducks are win now, which they appear to be, maybe they don't need the inconsistency from Goaltenders, maybe they're a bit fragile? Schneider is there, he's had five greatly consistent seasons, 2.5 of them as a starter. He's top-5 now, most people believe and I do too.
Again, mostly because of the current win-now mentality and Carlyle's history with goalies, is Gibson the guy for this team right now?

 

[Spazkat]

Again, mostly because of the current win-now mentality and Carlyle's history with goalies, is Gibson the guy for this team right now?

He may not be *exactly* the guy for right now, but I can say with a good deal of certainty that the fix is Schneider. Yes I get it Schneider is good. The difference between him and Gibby is NOT Vatanen and 3.7 million dollars a year. Its just not.

 

[Vipers31]

I think people that watch Anaheim have a few questions about Gibby. He's young, he's promising, he looks like he could be a star, maybe there are just growing pains.
But: what 's his injury history right now, at 23? Couple groin injuries? Is he ready to reach his potential yet, or is still a year or two away? Remember how long it took Price to finally get there?

It's highly unlikely that he reaches his potential yet, given that is him being one of the best goalies in the league. I don't think anybody expects him to be just that, yet. But that's not really what he needs to be. He was a .920 goalie over 40 games already. He doesn't need to get to being elite just yet.

If the Ducks are win now, which they appear to be, maybe they don't need the inconsistency from Goaltenders, maybe they're a bit fragile? (...)
Again, mostly because of the current win-now mentality and Carlyle's history with goalies, is Gibson the guy for this team right now?

Gibson was a .920 goalie, at the bottom line, with all inconsistency and fragility. If that's not good enough, so be it. Part of the "win now" thing is the cap, and having a goalie at that level for just $2.3M is a big help rather than a detriment.

Also not really sure what "Carlyle's history with goalies" is. Giguere, Hiller and Bernier have all been at their absolute peaks under Carlyle. For all his shortcomings, and there are a bunch, I can't see goaltending as a problematic part of his coaching.

 

[Spazkat]

Only thing I can think of with Carlyle and goalies is they are liable to get completely shelled due to lack of possession style play and sustained time spent in the defensive zone.

 

[Jared Dunn]

First off, I really don't think there's any argument to call Schneider a top 5, let alone top 3... Secondly Anaheim couldn't say no to this fast enough

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

First off, I really don't think there's any argument to call Schneider a top 5, let alone top 3... Secondly Anaheim couldn't say no to this fast enough

name 5 goalies who are definitively better than Cory Schneider. I will wait.

In fact, the only goalie that I would say for certain is better is Carey Price.

 

[Vipers31]

Only thing I can think of with Carlyle and goalies is they are liable to get completely shelled due to lack of possession style play and sustained time spent in the defensive zone.

That's certainly true. And while it may end up seeing guys fatigued a little more quickly, 95/100 goalies (plus up to five more...) will prefer games where they get pressured like that to having loads of possession. It's a lot easier on the mental side.

 

[JT Kreider]

name 5 goalies who are definitively better than Cory Schneider. I will wait.

In fact, the only goalie that I would say for certain is better is Carey Price.

Price, Holtby, Schneider, Bishop.

 

[Sojourn]

I think people that watch Anaheim have a few questions about Gibby. He's young, he's promising, he looks like he could be a star, maybe there are just growing pains.
But: what 's his injury history right now, at 23? Couple groin injuries? Is he ready to reach his potential yet, or is still a year or two away? Remember how long it took Price to finally get there? If the Ducks are win now, which they appear to be, maybe they don't need the inconsistency from Goaltenders, maybe they're a bit fragile? Schneider is there, he's had five greatly consistent seasons, 2.5 of them as a starter. He's top-5 now, most people believe and I do too.
Again, mostly because of the current win-now mentality and Carlyle's history with goalies, is Gibson the guy for this team right now?

Well, I'm an Anaheim fan, so I do watch the Ducks.

You didn't really address the point. Gibson can have question marks, and it can still not make sense for Anaheim to do this deal. My issue is with the statement that doing this deal makes Anaheim a better team for the next three years, and you didn't show that this would be the case.

You seem to be making the leap that improving their goaltending improves them, but that isn't really the case, is it? You aren't just adding Schneider. You're also subtracting Vatanen and Stoner. With all due respect to Cammalleri, but a 34 year old player who hasn't hit 50 points since 2009-2010, and who would cost $5m(well, $4.5m in this deal) isn't the sweetener that he's clearly intended to be.

I think our goaltending is fine. Not great, but fine. If we were moving Vatanen, and his salary, this isn't the deal that I'd be looking at. It's more lateral in the short-term, and it causes all kinds of problems moving forward.

 

[Jared Dunn]

name 5 goalies who are definitively better than Cory Schneider. I will wait.

In fact, the only goalie that I would say for certain is better is Carey Price.

He's a great goalie but I'd say Price, Holtby, Lundqvist, Quick, Crawford but pretty much a toss up with the last two I guess.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

He's a great goalie but I'd say Price, Holtby, Lundqvist, Quick, Crawford but pretty much a toss up with the last two I guess.

again, the only one of those guys that is for sure better is Price IMO....look at that numbers.

since Schneider has gotten to NJ, he has better numbers than Lundqvist across the board playing on an inferior team

Schneider has better numbers than Holtby too (unless of course if you count wins as a goalie stat, which it really is not).

 

[Hisch13r]

He's a great goalie but I'd say Price, Holtby, Lundqvist, Quick, Crawford but pretty much a toss up with the last two I guess.

lol Quick. The guy has been average for his whole career except one season

 

[JT Kreider]

He's a great goalie but I'd say Price, Holtby, Lundqvist, Quick, Crawford but pretty much a toss up with the last two I guess.

Nah. Schneider goes 3 after Price and Holtby. With Bishop right behind them.

The difference between Holtby and Schneiders GAA and SV% is negligible the past two seasons so I'd take Holtby based on being more playoff proven.

But he goes ahead of Lundqvist, Quick and Crow.

 

[duxfan8]

lol Quick. The guy has been average for his whole career except one season

You need to watch him more if that's your impression. I hate watching the ducks play Quick. He's unbelievable. Definitely underrated throughout the league.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

You need to watch him more if that's your impression. I hate watching the ducks play Quick. He's unbelievable. Definitely underrated throughout the league.

Quick was nominated for the Vezina last year when he absolutely did not deserve to be

how is he "underrated throughout the league?"