Proposal: ANA/NJ Blockbuster (Schneider)

[Ducks in a row]

Connor McDavid could get hit by a bus crossing the street tomorrow and end up in a wheelchair, that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade for him.

I really resent this idea of "it could happen" or "it might happen" when there's literally no evidence to suggest a drop in production. In fact he's consistently produced on some VERY bad offensive teams in NJ. Injuries never hurt his production in the past, why would they hurt him now?

I get that Anaheim has a cap situation to consider, which is totally a valid reason to not be interested, but if he gets hurt....put him on LTIR and you don't have to worry about his cap hit. If he's not hurt, he's a great player helping you win.

People bashed the Devils for signing Clowe due to hi injury history. He was very effective when he was in the lineup for us. Tragic it ended the way it did for him, but LTIR took care of the cap and insurance took care of the cash salary.

As long as it's not a +35 deal there's very little risk associated with injury.

McDavid is much younger is better with potential to be the best player in the NHL and has more size then Cammalleri and hasn't been playing in the NHL for many years getting hurt and missing a lot of time would easily trade for McDavid just not Cammalleri. Anyone can get hurt from something outside of hockey that possibility doesn't effect trades what does is how injury prone a player is playing hockey no one likes it when a player keeps getting hurt missing so much time.

Age catches up to everyone eventually and combine the injury history he has it can catch up to him at anytime not taking a chance on him we need to be more careful with moves we make then most other teams.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

McDavid is much younger is better with potential to be the best player in the NHL and has more size then Cammalleri and hasn't been playing in the NHL for many years getting hurt and missing a lot of time would easily trade for McDavid just not Cammalleri. Anyone can get hurt from something outside of hockey that possibility doesn't effect trades what does is how injury prone a player is playing hockey no one likes it when a player keeps getting hurt missing so much time.

Age catches up to everyone eventually and combine the injury history he has it can catch up to him at anytime not taking a chance on him we need to be more careful with moves we make then most other teams.

Everyone knows the difference between Mcdavid and Cammalleri. Cammalleri averages about 80% of his game besides last year which was the only year he missed a majority of games. I'm not saying do the trade and the Devils wouldn't do it anyway. We know what we got in him and if all he misses is 12-15 games he's worth every penny. Last year was a one off in my opinion considering the shape the guy keep himself in. It's a shame he gets injured so much cause when he healthy and playing we'll he's one of the better left wings in the game. I mean it's shame when any player suffers injuries. Considering the Devils improvements and if Cam can play around 70 games the playoffs shouldn't be an issue.

 

[WesMcCauley]

Schneider is a damn good goalie but goalies dont have that much value.

 

[TGWL]

Connor McDavid could get hit by a bus crossing the street tomorrow and end up in a wheelchair, that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade for him.

I really resent this idea of "it could happen" or "it might happen" when there's literally no evidence to suggest a drop in production. In fact he's consistently produced on some VERY bad offensive teams in NJ. Injuries never hurt his production in the past, why would they hurt him now?

I get that Anaheim has a cap situation to consider, which is totally a valid reason to not be interested, but if he gets hurt....put him on LTIR and you don't have to worry about his cap hit. If he's not hurt, he's a great player helping you win.

People bashed the Devils for signing Clowe due to hi injury history. He was very effective when he was in the lineup for us. Tragic it ended the way it did for him, but LTIR took care of the cap and insurance took care of the cash salary.

As long as it's not a +35 deal there's very little risk associated with injury.

That's not how it works. LTIR isn't free cap space, or free money. You can run into a lot of problems with LTIR players.

 

[Spazkat]

Connor McDavid could get hit by a bus crossing the street tomorrow and end up in a wheelchair, that doesn't mean I wouldn't trade for him.

I really resent this idea of "it could happen" or "it might happen" when there's literally no evidence to suggest a drop in production. In fact he's consistently produced on some VERY bad offensive teams in NJ. Injuries never hurt his production in the past, why would they hurt him now?

I get that Anaheim has a cap situation to consider, which is totally a valid reason to not be interested, but if he gets hurt....put him on LTIR and you don't have to worry about his cap hit. If he's not hurt, he's a great player helping you win.

People bashed the Devils for signing Clowe due to hi injury history. He was very effective when he was in the lineup for us. Tragic it ended the way it did for him, but LTIR took care of the cap and insurance took care of the cash salary.

As long as it's not a +35 deal there's very little risk associated with injury.

LTIR is only useful for teams that spend to the cap- as in it provides no value except allowing a team to exceed the cap by the amount of the injured players salary. So a team that isn't spending to the cap to start with gets nothing. Think about it. 5M guy goes down for unknown amount of time. It's not like you have another spare 5M guy who was hanging around that didn't already count against the cap. You can go out and get one of course, but then what are you going to do with him when the 1st guy is ready to come back? <unless you're Chicago who are masters of getting guys fit to return just in time for playoffs and not a moment before)

 

[WesMcCauley]

Did it go through in NHL 17?

Use this basis before you make a thread on HFBoards. That's the rule.


Cam Talbot is the third best goaltender in the NHL then. YA LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY! Thank you biased HFBoards.

I dont really know what you guys Are discussing and im not saying Talbot is one of the best goalies or an elite goali but he was incredible in NY! Didnt watch him alot this season tho

 

[ottawa]

Ducks basically gut their defense for an upgrade in goaltending...nope

 

[Scorcho]

As the devils Shero would probably do this

 

[Exit Dose]

I'm not sure how this thread is still going. The Ducks have committed themselves to a tandem of Gibson and Bernier. Anything involving Schneider wouldn't happen for a year at least if ever.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Everyone knows the difference between Mcdavid and Cammalleri. Cammalleri averages about 80% of his game besides last year which was the only year he missed a majority of games. I'm not saying do the trade and the Devils wouldn't do it anyway. We know what we got in him and if all he misses is 12-15 games he's worth every penny. Last year was a one off in my opinion considering the shape the guy keep himself in. It's a shame he gets injured so much cause when he healthy and playing we'll he's one of the better left wings in the game. I mean it's shame when any player suffers injuries. Considering the Devils improvements and if Cam can play around 70 games the playoffs shouldn't be an issue.

Cammalleri has yet to reach 70 games played since 2008-09 season. We don't want someone who is on the smaller side is 34 and misses so many games so much and could at any time stop producing so well in the games he does play just too much of a risk.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Cammalleri has yet to reach 70 games played since 2008-09 season. We don't want someone who is on the smaller side is 34 and misses so many games so much and could at any time stop producing so well in the games he does play just too much of a risk.

And in the post you quoted I basically said the ducks don't do the deal.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Surprised this thread is still going on. The deal does absolutely nothing for Anaheim when Jersey makes out like bandits. They get all the youth in both players and we get a old as crap Cammy.

Also to add, we don't need Schneider we just traded Andersen because Gibson is our number 1

Love how your fanbase is lambasting one Devils fan for saying that Vatanen is a #3, but almost all of your fanbase is criminally underrating Schneider.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Schneider is a damn good goalie but goalies dont have that much value.

Wrong upper echelon guys like him absolutely do, wow people are clueless.

The fact that he was traded to the Devils for the 9th over all in a pretty deep drafts proves otherwise bud.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

Schneider is a damn good goalie but goalies dont have that much value.

The best ones do. Price, Schneider, Quick and Lundqvist would get tremendous value in a trade.

 

[Vipers31]

Love how your fanbase is lambasting one Devils fan for saying that Vatanen is a #3, but almost all of your fanbase is criminally underrating Schneider.

Which Ducks fans have been underrating Schneider? I have seen little of that in this thread. Or is it just our unwillingness to trade our young, cheap starter with Schneider-like potential and a key young defender for him?

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

Which Ducks fans have been underrating Schneider? I have seen little of that in this thread. Or is it just our unwillingness to trade our young, cheap starter with Schneider-like potential and a key young defender for him?

Which I agree with, you guys aren't in the hunt for a goalie. Having said that your fanbase is acting like Schneider isn't the most valuable piece, saying that the Devils make out like Bandits, goalies don't hold much value etc.

 

[Vipers31]

Which I agree with, you guys aren't in the hunt for a goalie. Having said that your fanbase is acting like Schneider isn't the most valuable piece, saying that the Devils make out like Bandits, goalies don't hold much value etc.

For the most part, that isn't guys from the Ducks fanbase saying that. The "goalies don't have much value" thing is an urban myth that is all too common all around HF.

 

[hutter]

I'm really sick of these trade Schneider threads. Devils are going to make a push as soon as next year and will need him if they want to have a shot at becoming a contender.

Yea, he's getting old and will probably decline in the next 4 years, but the value he can bring to us in the mean time is greater than what we would get out of trading him. We may even get lucky and he stays really healthy or Blackwood pans out before Schneids craps out.

 

[Revelation]

The best ones do. Price, Schneider, Quick and Lundqvist would get tremendous value in a trade.

Maybe on name recognition but it would backfire on the team more than likely. What the Devils paid for Schneider/Avs paid for Varlamov is about the most you'd pay for a goalie and it would have to be a young bluechip goalie who is already proven to make it worth it. I would not be thrilled with acquiring Quick or Lundqvist at this point and probably OK with Schneider/Holtby for a #10 OA pick value, Price is the only one I can see being stupidly expensive and a team biting on it, largely because he's been sold/hyped as a young cornerstone MVP of a storied O6 team.

 

[Readytostart]

Wow Anaheim fans are all over this like it's the worst thing ever. If the ducks want to win this year or next, Schneider is a significant upgrade to Gibson, especially in the playoffs, where Gibson lost his spot the last TWO years to Andersson. Cammy is older and injury prone, but is closer to first line talent then silverberg or anyone else Anaheim can put on the top line. Sure, it is tough to give up vatanen but you have to give to get and this makes Anaheim better in the next 3 years at least....

 

[Voight]

Why would ANA do this? Gibson is already showing signs of being a top 10 goalie.

 

[Sojourn]

Wow Anaheim fans are all over this like it's the worst thing ever. If the ducks want to win this year or next, Schneider is a significant upgrade to Gibson, especially in the playoffs, where Gibson lost his spot the last TWO years to Andersson. Cammy is older and injury prone, but is closer to first line talent then silverberg or anyone else Anaheim can put on the top line. Sure, it is tough to give up vatanen but you have to give to get and this makes Anaheim better in the next 3 years at least....

Does it? Show your work.

Schneider is absolutely the better goaltender, but Anaheim won the Jennings with Andersen and Gibson. I think you're exaggerating the difference Schneider would make, especially when we're getting weaker elsewhere.

This deal doesn't make sense for Anaheim. At all. There's a reason we traded Andersen to Toronto, instead of paying him. Now you're suggesting that not only do we pay Schneider more, but we move assets to acquire him.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Wow Anaheim fans are all over this like it's the worst thing ever. If the ducks want to win this year or next, Schneider is a significant upgrade to Gibson, especially in the playoffs, where Gibson lost his spot the last TWO years to Andersson. Cammy is older and injury prone, but is closer to first line talent then silverberg or anyone else Anaheim can put on the top line. Sure, it is tough to give up vatanen but you have to give to get and this makes Anaheim better in the next 3 years at least....

Schneider is a upgrade over Gibson but not enough to make us want to trade Gibson and Vatanen who is our highest scoring defenseman and best right side defenseman by far. Cammalleri isn't a attractive piece for the Ducks we don't want a 34 year old on the smaller side injury prone player who could plummet offensively at any time with age and injuries finally catching up to him.

 

[JT Kreider]

Wow Anaheim fans are all over this like it's the worst thing ever. If the ducks want to win this year or next, Schneider is a significant upgrade to Gibson, especially in the playoffs, where Gibson lost his spot the last TWO years to Andersson. Cammy is older and injury prone, but is closer to first line talent then silverberg or anyone else Anaheim can put on the top line. Sure, it is tough to give up vatanen but you have to give to get and this makes Anaheim better in the next 3 years at least....

Even as a Rangers fan I think the world of Schneider but I see why Ducks fans wouldn't want to do it.

For one Vatanen is a young top pairing RHD and that is the biggest collective need in all of hockey right now. That significantly boosts his trade value.

The Ducks also don't NEED Schneider. They could use Schneider, every team could. But they already have a 23 year old All-star and it's looking like the days of needing an elite bonafide stud goalie to win the Cup are over.

In fact, I think nearly every team in the league as a goalie that is capable of backing their team to a Cup. Except for Dallas, Winnipeg, Carolina and Vancouver.

And Winnipeg and Carolina have two of the top goalie prospects in Nedjo and Hellebuyck, while Vancouver has no business trading for Schneider and they have Demko who is a very good prospect. And Markstrom ain't too shabby himself either.

IF the Devils were forced to trade Schneider or if they have a catostrophically bad season and still feel they are 2-3 years away from being a playoff team, then Gibson and Vatanen would be a pretty near perfect value for Schneider. I'd take that for Lundqvist in a heartbeat.

 

[MoonDragn]

If we did need to trade Schneider, Gibson wouldn't be what we would trade for. We would look for a #1 d-man or a #1 center/right wing.
We have potentially two great goalies coming up and one really good backup. If goalies are that cheap, I'm sure we can get a cheaper one to replace Schneider.