Proposal: ANA/NJ Blockbuster (Schneider)

[Group Chat Legend*]

I doubt NJ trades Schneider and Anaheim has a good thing in Gibson who is young

No need for this deal

Although Im sure NJ would like one of Vatanen/Lindholm/Fowler in a deal

 

[RememberTheName]

I feel like this deal is off by at least two firsts in value going to Anaheim. Vatanen for Schneider is already bad value for Anaheim. Goalies are worth so little; young top 4 RHD are worth so much...

This is probably the most outlandish post I have seen all day, saying that a top 3 goalie in the world is worth less than a mediocre #3 defenseman who can put up maybe 35 points a year, undersized, and is not very good defensively. Me personally would want the conversation to start with Gibson and Vatanen and one other good piece (Rakell???) if we are giving up both Schneider and Cammaleri. I know Camm is injury prone, but come on, he was on like 75 point pace last year on the worst offensive team in the league. He still holds some value, and we would definitely be able to retain if needed

 

[Eric Sachs]

Thats.... awful. Why does ANA give up Gibby and Vatanen for a goalie signed for 6M till the end of time and old broken Cammaleri?

the world is ending in 6 years?

 

[Legend123]

NJD get absolutely fleeced here. Scheinder for lesser pieces? Just why?? He was the devils MVP last year but yeah flip him for 3 players including a player dump.

 

[VoidCreature]

I have no real stake in either of these teams, just thought this one up as interesting. Anaheim has a cup window and adds a top-3 goalie at the expense of an expendable defenceman, as well as adding an excellent LW (their biggest need). New Jersey has Schneider but by the time they get good he's going to be in his mid 30s. Gibson has plenty more time, even if he never reaches Schneider's level, and they get a creative offensive defenceman. To make the salaries work, New Jersey takes on Clayton Stoner and retain $500,000 of Cammalleri's contract.

2
Cory Schneider
Mike Cammalleri [500K retained)


John Gibson
Sami Vatanen
Clayton Stoner

Just a fun idea. Who needs to add? Does this even make any sense at all?

No.

No.

NO.

We're making a move for the playoffs starting this year. Schneider is not available.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Terrible value for NJ. What the hell do we want Stoner and Gibson for?

Vatanen is great but he's not "Vezina tier goalie PLUS 30 goal PPG forward with salary retained" great

 

[dracom]

This is probably the most outlandish post I have seen all day, saying that a top 3 goalie in the world is worth less than a mediocre #3 defenseman who can put up maybe 35 points a year, undersized, and is not very good defensively. Me personally would want the conversation to start with Gibson and Vatanen and one other good piece (Rakell???) if we are giving up both Schneider and Cammaleri. I know Camm is injury prone, but come on, he was on like 75 point pace last year on the worst offensive team in the league. He still holds some value, and we would definitely be able to retain if needed

Your post is just as outlandish if not more. Calling Vats a mediocre #3,and saying he might put up 35 points, when in reality he's done that twice. Oh and just because a defenseman can put up points, doesn't mean that player is not very good defensively. He's just fine defensively. He is on the smaller side, but he plays bigger than his size. You show you know nothing about Vats.

You're not getting one of the top young goalies in the world, a RH PM D who is signed to a good contract, and a young top 6 forward.

Cam holds very little value. Beat the drum about point pace all you want, doesn't change the fact that Cam can't stay healthy and he's getting older. Teams aren't going to trade two young NHL impact players for one who won't play a whole season and will be retiring in a few years.

Schneider is amazing, but he's not worth as much as you think.

 

[VoidCreature]

Your post is just as outlandish if not more. Calling Vats a mediocre #3,and saying he might put up 35 points, when in reality he's done that twice. Oh and just because a defenseman can put up points, doesn't mean that player is not very good defensively. He's just fine defensively. He is on the smaller side, but he plays bigger than his size. You show you know nothing about Vats.

You're not getting one of the top young goalies in the world, a RH PM D who is signed to a good contract, and a young top 6 forward.

Cam holds very little value. Beat the drum about point pace all you want, doesn't change the fact that Cam can't stay healthy and he's getting older. Teams aren't going to trade two young NHL impact players for one who won't play a whole season and will be retiring in a few years.

Schneider is amazing, but he's not worth as much as you think.

Good. We'll keep him.

 

[Kurt Cobain]

ducks hang up as soon as the name cammalleri is involved

That's cool. We love Mike Cammalleri and he was a damn near ppg player for half the season law year. If we can just get 70 games even 65 out of him we'll be very happy. He is still a damn good hockey player who's still effective and still quite an offensive threat. Like I said we have plenty of cap space we have no need to dump Cammalleri.

 

[AfroThunder396]

Why do people think Cammalleri is a negative? He was on a 75 point pace last year and had 27G in 68GP in 2015.

 

[Spazkat]

Terrible value for NJ. What the hell do we want Stoner and Gibson for?

Vatanen is great but he's not "Vezina tier goalie PLUS 30 goal PPG forward with salary retained" great

I hate all this PPG nonsense. As soon as that comes out you know this player they're referring to is injury prone or has like 10 NHL games under their belt. Cammalleri hasn't played a full season since 2008. Which was incidentally the last time he got 30 goals. For 5M a year... hard pass

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

I'm glad the Ducks fans don't want our "old garbage" because I wouldn't make this trade.

 

[dracom]

I'm glad the Ducks fans don't want our "old garbage" because I wouldn't make this trade.

We don't want a guy who won't play a full season for us for 2 young core pieces. Don't need to get offended when we don't want something from your team when it doesn't fit our needs.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

A lot of ignorance in this thread, which isn't a surprise I guess. Did someone say "old broken Cammalleri"? He was one of the best forwards in the NHL in the 42 games he played last season.

Devils turn down that trade instantly.

 

[Sniper99]

Jeez you could lock this up after the OP

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Why do people think Cammalleri is a negative? He was on a 75 point pace last year and had 27G in 68GP in 2015.

HF boards ignorance.

Bottom line is that Gibson + Vatanen isn't enough to get Schneider alone.

 

[Spazkat]

A lot of ignorance in this thread, which isn't a surprise I guess. Did someone say "old broken Cammalleri"? He was one of the best forwards in the NHL in the 42 games he played last season.

Devils turn down that trade instantly.

And there's the problem. You argue with the use of the term "broken" then proceed to point out that he played less than half of the games last year. So you're paying him 5M for half a year, and then someone else to play the other half. That is.... not good value

 

[Nocashstyle]

Terrible value for NJ.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

And there's the problem. You argue with the use of the term "broken" then proceed to point out that he played less than half of the games last year. So you're paying him 5M for half a year, and then someone else to play the other half. That is.... not good value

Right, because since Cammalleri played 42 games last year, he's definitely going to play only 42 next year. Terrific logic.

 

[Vipers31]

HF boards ignorance.

Bottom line is that Gibson + Vatanen isn't enough to get Schneider alone.

And the Ducks wouldn't offer it, either.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Not all that important because the Ducks wouldn't offer it, either.

Anaheim's GM would 100% take that deal. Would probably gladly add Ritchie.

Take a look at what you just traded Fredrik Andersen for, a vastly inferior goalie to Schneider. Schneider's value probably lies in the range of two mid/high 1sts + other stuff.

Jon Gibson has played like 65 career games. He's looked great, but you don't know what you have in a goalie until game 200 at least. So much variance involved.

 

[dracom]

Right, because since Cammalleri played 42 games last year, he's definitely going to play only 42 next year. Terrific logic.

Dude, he's 34. He hasn't played a full 82 season since 08-09. There's reasonable expectations to think he won't play a full season again next year or any year after that. Especially when you consider him playing on the Ducks, he wouldn't make a full season here.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

Dude, he's 34. He hasn't played a full 82 season since 08-09. There's reasonable expectations to think he won't play a full season again next year or any year after that. Especially when you consider him playing on the Ducks, he wouldn't make a full season here.

No ****, he won't play 82 games. The previous poster asserted that Cammalleri was set in stone for half a season, which is just as wrong.

Looking back 4-5 years, Cammalleri is a 65 game per season guy. Granted, you'd want someone at 75+, but if he's playing like a top 10-20 forward for those 65 games, that's tremendous value. Especially if he's around for playoff time.

 

[Feed Me A Stray Cat]

http://www.hockey-reference.com/pla...l=150&threshhold=5&order_by=goals_against_avg

Schneider #1, by a decent amount, in GAA since he became a starter in 2012-13. #2 in save percentage. How many of you knew that?

Best goalie in the NHL arguably.

 

[Vipers31]

Anaheim's GM would 100% take that deal. Would probably gladly add Ritchie.

Not even a remote chance.

Take a look at what you just traded Fredrik Andersen for, a vastly inferior goalie to Schneider.

A late 1st, a 2nd and a cap dump.

Schneider's value probably lies in the range of two mid/high 1sts + other stuff.

I agree. I wouldn't come close to considering trading Vatanen and Gibson for that, either. Obviously.

Jon Gibson has played like 65 career games. He's looked great, but you don't know what you have in a goalie until game 200 at least. So much variance involved.

Variance is for statisticians, not for scouts. As a goalie, I have faith in Gibson's qualities and how that projects going forward. You're certainly right that it's still a work in progress (one that made it to the all star game) and the jury is definitely out whether he'll make it to Schneider's heights, but there is a definite chance of him getting there, there's many years of him being an incredibly cap-friendly asset and when you add Vatanen on top, it's just not close to being worth it for the Ducks at this point.