Value of: Ana fire sale???

[Gliff]

Gibson's having a down few years.

Funny how they coincide with Eakins.

 

[BlackFrancis]

He'd go to Boston and probably feel the same weight lifted as Lindholm, one can play the game with so much more confidence when they aren't being asked to be the dam holding back the flood waters.

I've always liked Henrique, but the only weight he'd feel lifted from his shoulders in Boston would be ice time.

Henrique's versatility would be welcome, but the team isn't looking for a fourth right shot center. It's good he's back to playing more PK this season. And he'd get basically zero PP minutes.

He'd be in the mix for the bottom six, and I'm not sure the front office would be delighted at the prospect of shelling out $6m for him next season. The Bruins really don't even have the cap space to fit him this season.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I've always liked Henrique, but the only weight he'd feel lifted from his shoulders in Boston would be ice time.

Henrique's versatility would be welcome, but the team isn't looking for a fourth right shot center. It's good he's back to playing more PK this season. And he'd get basically zero PP minutes.

He'd be in the mix for the bottom six, and I'm not sure the front office would be delighted at the prospect of shelling out $6m for him next season. The Bruins really don't even have the cap space to fit him this season.

I thought we were discussing Klingberg, that's who the post was referring to.

Henrique shoots left, and is versatile enough to shift back and forth from center to wing pretty seamlessly as needed. There might be more value in the Ducks keeping his veteran leadership for another year and then selling him as a rental next deadline - at that point he's a pretty nice Swiss army knife addition to a playoff team without any term remaining.

 

[Leonardo87]

It seems like Anaheim fans want to elevate the value on several players with excuses.

Under this coaching and system, mostly any player in the NHL will see their numbers dip. It’s very hard to produce when you are always defending and getting pinned in your own zone. It’s also the lack of depth, but the coaching and system is a big part.

 

[JlindiesANA]

I thought we were discussing Klingberg, that's who the post was referring to.

Henrique shoots left, and is versatile enough to shift back and forth from center to wing pretty seamlessly as needed. There might be more value in the Ducks keeping his veteran leadership for another year and then selling him as a rental next deadline - at that point he's a pretty nice Swiss army knife addition to a playoff team without any term remaining.

Let alone have some type of money on the books. That 5.8 million will help the cap floor for next season.

 

[Warh1ppy]

All very very solid points. Anaheim fans know the process. This team has picks galore, and prospects who are promising.

If Anaheim sticks to this plan? The team will shape up quickly. Having a team that is purely in control of its cap space because majority are ELC coming in? That leaves major space for bigger names that can help them get to the top in the future.

It’s always best when you have money available to spend, than not having money to spend and you have to make room for a player.

The best part is. As a hockey fan, not team fan; is seeing how they have intentionally spread their return of picks to following years when they recieved multiple assets in a deal.

Ensuring that even if they got competitive immediately they'd still have the ability to continue to build for the future with adding more arrows in the quiver.

With Delivering next year and Misa the following I'd be throwing as many darts at the board as possible in looking for unprotected 1st round picks in 2024 and 2025

 

[JlindiesANA]

The best part is. As a hockey fan, not team Dan; is seeing how they have intentionally spread their return of picks to following years when they recieved multiple assets in a deal.

Ensuring that even if they got competitive immediately they'd still have the ability to continue to build for the future with adding more arrows in the quiver.

With Delivering next year and Misa the following I'd be throwing as many darts at the board as possible in looking for unprotected 1st round picks in 2024 and 2025

Exactly

 

[Warh1ppy]

Exactly

I say this as a former team fan of the Canucks knowing that the odds of Vancouver facing down the McDavid/Draisatl Oilers and the Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli and Zegras/McTavish Ducks 5 times a year are greater than ever.

I'm envious as hell at this building plan.

 

[lwvs84]

One thing to note with the declining stats of most players on the Ducks is that they're all complimentary players asked to drive their line/pair because Anaheim hasn't had a truly elite player since their decline. Terry is currently the closest thing and he'd be better off as the 2nd best player on the top line or the best player on the 2nd line of a competitive team. Klingberg should probably be a #4/top PP guy and Shat should be a #6/PP guy. Hopefully they'll get more, but my guess on values (which are usually off a bit) on players that will be moved are:
Klingberg- 2nd+ (at 50% retained)
Shat- late 3rd/4th+
Kulikov- 4th
Stolarz- 4th (would have been higher last year)
Cap space- ??? (Depends on who Anaheim takes back).

 

[JlindiesANA]

I say this as a former team fan of the Canucks knowing that the odds of Vancouver facing down the McDavid/Draisatl Oilers and the Bedard/Carlsson/Fantilli and Zegras/McTavish Ducks 5 times a year are greater than ever.

I'm envious as hell at this building plan.

Vancouver could very well land a top 3 pick if all these rumors are true. Horvat rumors, JT Miller rumors, Pettersson rumors.

If all 3 are traded. You may be here with us

 

[nucksflailtogether]

Honestly its a little tiresome seeing things being called a "firesale" when everything of value is untouchable. That to me is not a fire sale, just normal deadline stuff for a rebuilding team.

 

[Warh1ppy]

Vancouver could very well land a top 3 pick if all these rumors are true. Horvat rumors, JT Miller rumors, Pettersson rumors.

If all 3 are traded. You may be here with us

I think Vancouver just hired Tocchet to replace Boudreau. If so they'll make a small push and screw all that up.

It's an organizational tradition

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Honestly its a little tiresome seeing things being called a "firesale" when everything of value is untouchable. That to me is not a fire sale, just normal deadline stuff for a rebuilding team.

I mean you can pitch for some of those big name guys but then you’ll just end up crying that we over value them when you offer a package of nothing for them

It seems like Anaheim fans want to elevate the value on several players with excuses.

Meh people thought lindholm was done, overrated after last couple years in Anaheim…. Goes to Boston and playing like a top 10 dmen in the league.

Steel/ mahura struggled under Eakins, having a solid season in minnasota/ Florida.

 

[JlindiesANA]

I mean you can pitch for some of those big name guys but then you’ll just end up crying that we over value them when you offer a package of nothing for them


Meh people thought lindholm was done, overrated after last couple years in Anaheim…. Goes to Boston and playing like a top 10 dmen in the league.

Steel/ mahura struggled under Eakins, having a solid season in minnasota/ Florida.

Rakell as well

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ye

Rakell as well

Yep another case of getting out of Eakins system and succeeding

 

[JlindiesANA]

Ye

Yep another case of getting out of Eakins system and succeeding

Colorado seems to have done well with Manson also. Can’t forget him on the list.

 

[duckpuck]

Agreed i could see us buy silf out, or just let him play out his contract here.

As for Henrique... He isnt part of the future plan... if he holds value we should move him... a 2nd+ for henrique is pretty good value.

you overvalue lower second round picks - and it would be a low second rounder coming from a contender. Chance of getting a meaningful NHL player at the bottom of the second round is pretty low actually - if you're lucky you get a bottom 6/bottom pair d-man who is ready to play in 3-4 years. If you're lucky.

Henrique is a still productive 20 goal/40 point player (on a bad team). He's a good guy to have around and getting rid of him further hampers the development of their young guys. He's overpaid, but the ducks don't care. No need to get rid of him unless there's a premium asset coming back (i.e., first rounder or a very good prospect).

 

[crowi]

2024 2nd for Vatrano if you also pls do 50% max retention [which yes it is 2.5 yrs but it is only 1.x retained, not a lot] in exchange for mutually agreeable currency, preferably prospects.

No chance Ducks spend 1 of 3 salary retaining possibilities for a second and of course paying 50% of Vatrano's salary for him to play elsewhere for years.

 

[66-30-33]

I can see Pens bringing back Pittsburgh native Gibson if we let Jarry go. What would Gibson cost if we get him at around 5M?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

you overvalue lower second round picks - and it would be a low second rounder coming from a contender. Chance of getting a meaningful NHL player at the bottom of the second round is pretty low actually - if you're lucky you get a bottom 6/bottom pair d-man who is ready to play in 3-4 years. If you're lucky.

Henrique is a still productive 20 goal/40 point player (on a bad team). He's a good guy to have around and getting rid of him further hampers the development of their young guys. He's overpaid, but the ducks don't care. No need to get rid of him unless there's a premium asset coming back (i.e., first rounder or a very good prospect).

Disagree, we need assets…. Freeing up that money just allows us to spend on more dire needs. 2nd + is fine…. If we can snag a 1st or higher end prospect sure…. But anything is good right now

 

[SladeWilson23]

I think he would just join Haula, Sharangovich, and Mercer in that group that gets shuffled around everywhere in the top nine based on who is hot.

When Bastian comes in, Foote/Holtz/Zetterlund is out. Henrique would kick Boqvist out of the lineup:

Palat - Hischier - Bratt
Haula - Hughes - Tatar
Sharangovich - Henrique - Mercer
Wood - McLeod - Bastian
Boqvist - Zetterlund
———
Foote - Thompson - Holtz

I could live with that.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I could live with that.

I think its a pretty good fit

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

It's hard to entirely disagree but I think Anaheim is also the worst possible situation for a player like Klingberg to succeed. There just isn't anyone to help cover his weaknesses, to the point where he really isn't able to play to his strengths. There's no being sheltered in Anaheim, no where to hide so to speak.

He'd go to Boston and probably feel the same weight lifted as Lindholm, one can play the game with so much more confidence when they aren't being asked to be the dam holding back the flood waters.

I don't think Klingberg's talent has disappeared, he still has some impressive moments on the offensive blueline that remind you where his points used to come from. He just looks pretty lost on a team that lacks structure and the proper insulation to allow him to play the role he's built to succeed in - which is getting a ton of offensive zone time alongside a partner who does the defensive heavy lifting.

I don't disagree he COULD find his way, but like I said the cost for Boston is three parts.

1. Retention
2. Cost to eat a contract
3. Cost of Klingberg


I'm all for it if the price is right, but right now those 3 combined give me a buyer beware caution sticker on it. If Anaheim is feeling charitable and gives the Bruins a sweetheart deal, sure otherwise he's not the guy I'd sink the cost of 1, 2, and 3 into (if any previous deals are indicators of what he would cost).

 

[JlindiesANA]

I can see Pens bringing back Pittsburgh native Gibson if we let Jarry go. What would Gibson cost if we get him at around 5M?

I’ll take a 3rd for em at 5 million on your cap.

Leaves Anaheim with over 30 million in cap space this summer. 6.4 million - damn I suck at math.

You take em at 5 million? 3rd I’m good with

 

[Gliff]

I’ll take a 3rd for em at 5 million on your cap.

Leaves Anaheim with over 30 million in cap space this summer. 6.4 million - damn I suck at math.

You take em at 5 million? 3rd I’m good with

i cannot stress how happy I am that you are not a GM. The Ducks retain 1.5 mil just to get a 3rd in return and then have to spend the 5 mil they save anyways just to get to the floor.

Brilliant.