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I think he’d be a good veteran fit for the roster…. Can kinda produce anywhere in the line up…. Seems comfortable to play center or on either wing
Value of: Ana fire sale???
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Value is fine but I think we prob prefer 23/24 2nd to 25. (I realize we already have your 2nd from this year lol)
Idk that kaut really changes it much…. Hasn’t seemed to take that next step
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A fire sale is just assets at a discounted/affordable value. It doesn't always mean Buffalo Sabres "EVERYTHING MUST GO. FIRE SALE!!!"
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Still holding out hope that Klingberg can get a late first from someone. Anaheim can easily retain 50% to make the money work. He’s UFA end of the season. Anaheim having the most cap space in the league after Klingberg is shipped out, I wouldn’t expect to see an issue with that.
Cheers to hoping Atleast
Cheers to hoping Atleast
What's Anaheim's plan for goalies? They need to make room for Dostal. The most logical plan would be to trade Stolarz and let Dostal settle into a backup for a year and hope Gibson can rebuild his value.
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I'll be curious to see what Gibson's value is if he's traded. Anaheim missed his peak value 2 seasons ago,
Gibson's contract went from a positive to a negative in the span of two seasons.
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Yep lol big mistake imo…. Shoulda traded him at first sign of rebuild, and just went with stop gap goalies.
He still has games when he looks like himself but the team as a whole is just so awful…. I do think he’s bounce back on any contender…. I mean people talked about lindholm being over rated and washed up and now look at him on a halfway capable team.
If Verbeek can find a dance partner for Gibson. I wouldn’t mind resigning Stolarz and giving back up duties to Dostal. Stolarz should come cheap and affordable.
That’s my dream scenario anyway.
2 years at that salary ? I think COL goes for a rental or a better player, e.g. Toews Horvat most likely.
Ya tough season for Klingberg, is it because he s at Ana, lack interest? Could be a good option for the Bruins at PK he s got a canon of a shot from the point, but the price s gonna be way to high and Ana need to retain 50%
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Stolarz is meh I’d rather just trade for a goalie that a team needs to get rid of for cap reasons and get an asset back
True… it just seems Stolarz wants to be here. Anaheim fans know what they are getting with Stolarz being one of the worst teams in the league. What if Anaheim gets another Gibson who has already checked out mid season again.
That’s the issue I have along with others. Stolarz knows what this team is doing already on the rebuild
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if someone (Anaheim or 3rd team) can retain on henrique then i can see ottawa still being interested
that being said if someone can retain on henrique then anaheim probably gets a lot since he wouldnt be a rental
that being said if someone can retain on henrique then anaheim probably gets a lot since he wouldnt be a rental
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I think we all have trouble valuing silf…. But at 50% as a depth support role on a team he could prob be very useful for a couple playoff runs.
Can’t imagine that package would get too much back. Let’s put it this way if we were able to get back a 2nd for both + retention on silf I’d be stoked
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There is no way the ducks should trade Henrique for a second (from a contending team, which means low second) and b level prospect. I think his value is much higher than that, particularly if the ducks retain.
If that is his value, it is far better to keep him one more year and trade him as a rental or move him in the offseason. I completely disagree that the ducks have guys in line to replace him. The guys in the minors (or next years high draft pick) aren't going to fill henriques role in the next 18 months. Let those guys play down in the lineup for a bit. And the ducks bottom 6 is awful - very easy to make room for new guys if need be while retaining Henrique.
I think Silf is untradeable, even with retention. He looks done. I think he finishes his contract with the ducks or maybe gets bought out.
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it would be a tough move since even if sens took henrique at 50%, sens would still look to dump zaitsev in another deal
a henrique for zaitsev based move could work depending on if sens had a better idea/deal set up with debrincat because then the cap situation for ottawa becomes a bit more straight forward
The ducks since 2027/2018 are blowing my mind with what they've done for a rebuild and their asset management
In 2017 the Anaheim Ducks added their last piece for a playoff push. Knowing they were aging, their vets were about done and they were in the same situation we are now in regards to assets; they added Patrick eaves in Feb of 2017 for a conditional pick which became Jokiharju.
Since 2017, the Ducks have committed to no major signings or trades that brought long term players in. They; up until this year; had not signed a contract longer than 3 years. All short term, low value contracts. They started shedding players and assets over the age of 25 while still trying to be competitive. Until March 10th last year they were still 2/3 in the Pacific and in a playoff spot while committing to this program since 2017/2018.
Some examples of this program regarding trading assets, retaining cap or eating a contract and signing trading players include:
Vatanen and a conditional 3rd for Henrique, Blandisi and a 3rd. Henrique is being shopped this year and is rumoured to be one of the hottest forwards available
Brandon Montour for Brendon Guhle and a conditional 1st (Brayden Tracey)
Ondrej Kase for David Backes, Axel Andersson and a 1st round pick (Jacob Perreault)
Josh Manson for Drew Helleson and a 2nd round pick (this year)
Nick Deslauriers for a 3rd
Hampus Lindholm 50% retained with Kodie Curran for Moore, Vaakanainen, 1st round pick (nathan gaucher) 2023 2nd and 2024 2nd
Richard Rakell 35% retained for Simon, Aston-Reese, 2nd round pick (tristan luneau)
Through this program they have assembled a roster/non roster crop of young prospects and blue chip assets that re essentially guaranteed stars that looks like this. This is 100% NOT to say that they have not made some questionable decisions; but you can see how management has made efforts and attempts to weaponize their cap space, roster and cap retention as well as trading assets on or near expiring contracts to push forward with an eye for the future.
McTavish/Zegras/Gaucher/Pastujov/Perreault/Tracey all at forward and then that defense of Hinds/Zellweger/Mintyukov/Helleson with not a single one of them currently over the age of 21. They are also the front runners for Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson. One of the top 3 centres available this year, that have been noted to all go as potential 1st overall picks in other years
That's not including whoever they draft this year as well with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and their entire roster over the age of 25 up for grabs including Henrique/Shattenkirk/Klingberg who will return at least late 1sts. This is a group of large bodied players barring Hinds. They are all young, 21 or younger and all cost controlled. They also have a smattering of other promising young assets.
Picking no less than 4 times in the first three rounds in every draft since 2019. 6 first's, 5 seconds and 3 thirds. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds without making a single move this year and 4 in the first 3 next year.
Kind of scared of the future Ducks
In 2017 the Anaheim Ducks added their last piece for a playoff push. Knowing they were aging, their vets were about done and they were in the same situation we are now in regards to assets; they added Patrick eaves in Feb of 2017 for a conditional pick which became Jokiharju.
Since 2017, the Ducks have committed to no major signings or trades that brought long term players in. They; up until this year; had not signed a contract longer than 3 years. All short term, low value contracts. They started shedding players and assets over the age of 25 while still trying to be competitive. Until March 10th last year they were still 2/3 in the Pacific and in a playoff spot while committing to this program since 2017/2018.
Some examples of this program regarding trading assets, retaining cap or eating a contract and signing trading players include:
Vatanen and a conditional 3rd for Henrique, Blandisi and a 3rd. Henrique is being shopped this year and is rumoured to be one of the hottest forwards available
Brandon Montour for Brendon Guhle and a conditional 1st (Brayden Tracey)
Ondrej Kase for David Backes, Axel Andersson and a 1st round pick (Jacob Perreault)
Josh Manson for Drew Helleson and a 2nd round pick (this year)
Nick Deslauriers for a 3rd
Hampus Lindholm 50% retained with Kodie Curran for Moore, Vaakanainen, 1st round pick (nathan gaucher) 2023 2nd and 2024 2nd
Richard Rakell 35% retained for Simon, Aston-Reese, 2nd round pick (tristan luneau)
Through this program they have assembled a roster/non roster crop of young prospects and blue chip assets that re essentially guaranteed stars that looks like this. This is 100% NOT to say that they have not made some questionable decisions; but you can see how management has made efforts and attempts to weaponize their cap space, roster and cap retention as well as trading assets on or near expiring contracts to push forward with an eye for the future.
McTavish/Zegras/Gaucher/Pastujov/Perreault/Tracey all at forward and then that defense of Hinds/Zellweger/Mintyukov/Helleson with not a single one of them currently over the age of 21. They are also the front runners for Bedard/Fantilli/Carlsson. One of the top 3 centres available this year, that have been noted to all go as potential 1st overall picks in other years
That's not including whoever they draft this year as well with 4 picks in the first 2 rounds and their entire roster over the age of 25 up for grabs including Henrique/Shattenkirk/Klingberg who will return at least late 1sts. This is a group of large bodied players barring Hinds. They are all young, 21 or younger and all cost controlled. They also have a smattering of other promising young assets.
Picking no less than 4 times in the first three rounds in every draft since 2019. 6 first's, 5 seconds and 3 thirds. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds without making a single move this year and 4 in the first 3 next year.
Kind of scared of the future Ducks
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Thats fair i guess even if you dont go for henrique... ducks might be down to take on Zaitsev... think he could be a good training wheels partner for mintyukov.
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Agreed i could see us buy silf out, or just let him play out his contract here.
As for Henrique... He isnt part of the future plan... if he holds value we should move him... a 2nd+ for henrique is pretty good value.
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