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The Amity Affliction said:
Part of that was because Tortarella never gave Zuccarello a real chance. Silf is playing top/middle 6 minutes.

Also, can you really see Silf putting up just about 60 points while being on Anaheim's 3rd line like Zuccarello did in 2014? Zucc got power play time, yes, but at ES, his line with Pouliot and Brassard was our 3rd line on the depth chart.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but that this comparison isn't as black and white as some Anaheim fans are making it or think it is.
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? silf plays on the second line with kesler and cogs
 
To add I have no interest in moving montour right now... he's played great in every league he's gone too no need to move him till we see where he pans out.
 
Ducks DVM said:
Zuccarello at age :
22 - not in the NHL
23 - 6G 17A 23P 42GP (0.55 PPG)
24 - 2G 1A 3P 10GP (0.30 PPG)
25 - 3G 5A 8P 15GP (0.53 PPG)

Silfverberg at age :
22 - 10G 9A 19P 48GP (0.40 PPG)
23 - 10G 13A 23P 52GP (0.44 PPG)
24 - 13G 26A 39P 81GP (0.48 PPG)
25 - 20G 19A 39P 82GP (0.48 PPG)

How about we have the discussion about what a player can do after we give the player a chance to show what they can do.
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You have a fantastic point Ducks. The reason Zucc broke out is because he was finally being put in a position to succeed. That NEVER happened under Torts.

However, I don't know enough about Silfverberg or how he is used on Anaheim to know if the same holds true for him. If he has been used in a top-6 role thus far, I can't see there being a large room for improvement a (although one can never say for sure) and would have to agree with some of my fellow Rangers fans. If Silfverberg has been buried than yeah, there would likely be further improvement on those numbers if he is put in a consistent top-6 role.
 
heusy_79 said:
Montour + 2nd for Miller
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We are not moving either Kreider or Miller

Zuc is the only fit that works for both teams.
Ana went back and forth about wants a C, a W, a C, ... finally agreeing on a W.

Who wouldn't want Kreider w/his speed/beast factor?
Gorton is not stupid and will not move him for anything other than ridiculous return.

Miller fills need being versatile, also plays C as well as W

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The OP asked for too much, but not by crazy amount and IMO with an eye to match cap.

If we are looking for cap wash, Zuc for Sami V, small adds both sides, does it.

Expansion draft changes dyanmic, w/required protections of NMCs.
So to offset, obtaining guys who are exempt commands a premium.

Thus Theodore/Montour have added value atm, even tho they have not shown anything beyond cup of coffee in NHL yet.

don't see we agree on pieces,Zuc may get more on the open market

no need to close thread, but I'll be surprised if this ends well....
 
After looking at the roster, then watching how the Ducks play, you'd see that Zucc is not a fit. He's a good player, but I find it highly doubtful he'd shine on the Ducks like he does with the Rangers.
 
TGWL said:
After looking at the roster, then watching how the Ducks play, you'd see that Zucc is not a fit. He's a good player, but I find it highly doubtful he'd shine on the Ducks like he does with the Rangers.
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I have to agree here. He really plays well in AVs system. Haven't watched enough ducks to know how they play though.
 
Gardner McKay said:
You have a fantastic point Ducks. The reason Zucc broke out is because he was finally being put in a position to succeed. That NEVER happened under Torts.

However, I don't know enough about Silfverberg or how he is used on Anaheim to know if the same holds true for him. If he has been used in a top-6 role thus far, I can't see there being a large room for improvement a (although one can never say for sure) and would have to agree with some of my fellow Rangers fans. If Silfverberg has been buried than yeah, there would likely be further improvement on those numbers if he is put in a consistent top-6 role.
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He hasn't been buried, but he's had a significant injury at the start of the season twice (broken wrist, Torres shoulder to the head). He had an outstanding postseason in 14-15 (4G 14A 18P 16GP), then followed that up getting Torres removed from the league in preseason and was a shell of that player in the first half of the season - then had 33 points in the last 45 games last year. He's shown he has the tools to easily put up the numbers Zucarello does - IF he can stay healthy and IF he can put it together. (Not having Cogliano as his LW would also pad his assist numbers) He does that while playing very good defense. He perfect for Kesler's wing, on a hybrid scoring/shutdown line.

Saying Silfverberg is what he is represents a classic case of looking at a stat line and not watching a player. I'm not commenting on Zucarello because I don't watch the Rangers enough, and I'm certainly not guaranteeing Silfverberg ever puts it together, but anyone saying he can't clearly hasn't watched him or even spent minimal time delving into his splits.
 
I think Zuccarello to the Flames makes more sense.

I'd like Poirier, Rasmuss Andersson in return.
 
Ducks DVM said:
Zuccarello at age :
22 - not in the NHL
23 - 6G 17A 23P 42GP (0.55 PPG)
24 - 2G 1A 3P 10GP (0.30 PPG)
25 - 3G 5A 8P 15GP (0.53 PPG)

Silfverberg at age :
22 - 10G 9A 19P 48GP (0.40 PPG)
23 - 10G 13A 23P 52GP (0.44 PPG)
24 - 13G 26A 39P 81GP (0.48 PPG)
25 - 20G 19A 39P 82GP (0.48 PPG)

How about we have the discussion about what a player can do after we give the player a chance to show what they can do.
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PPG is pretty meaningless when you only have 67 NHL games under your belt.
Silf has played 4X that many... he's had his chance.

People expected 60+ out of Silf after he had a good dozen games in the playoffs. I said 40-45 points which was pretty close to what he got. IF you think he's going to break out and be as good as Zucc.. I'd put money on you being wrong.
 
Kevin8se7en said:
PPG is pretty meaningless when you only have 67 NHL games under your belt.
Silf has played 4X that many... he's had his chance.

People expected 60+ out of Silf after he had a good dozen games in the playoffs. I said 40-45 points which was pretty close to what he got. IF you think he's going to break out and be as good as Zucc.. I'd put money on you being wrong.
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Having silf healthy at the beginning of the year for the first time would go a long ways
 
Kevin8se7en said:
PPG is pretty meaningless when you only have 67 NHL games under your belt.
Silf has played 4X that many... he's had his chance.

People expected 60+ out of Silf after he had a good dozen games in the playoffs. I said 40-45 points which was pretty close to what he got. IF you think he's going to break out and be as good as Zucc.. I'd put money on you being wrong.
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You might want to read my other post.
 
Silf is also a D specialist who plays against the other teams top scorers night in and night out. He doesn't get much time on the PP either. Silf's Playoff game is also on another level, so losing him would be bad for Ducks.
 
Ducks Rangers are just not good trade partners imo, both teams are likely looking for cost controlled stuff that has potential to out play their cap hits/salary in the longer term.
 
lindholmie said:
? silf plays on the second line with kesler and cogs
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You're misinterpreting the post.

People are comparing Zucc's and Silf's career paths, but I'm pointing out that Zucc had a hell of a season in 2014 while playing on the 3rd line. I was saying that I don't think Silf could have that kind of season being used in that kind of role like Zuccarello was in 2014.
 
The Amity Affliction said:
You're misinterpreting the post.

People are comparing Zucc's and Silf's career paths, but I'm pointing out that Zucc had a hell of a season in 2014 while playing on the 3rd line. I was saying that I don't think Silf could have that kind of season being used in that kind of role like Zuccarello was in 2014.
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Those were two pretty good players Zucc was playing with.
 
Someone above me made the best statement. Both teams are looking for the same thing in a trade which doesn't make them suitable partners.
 
Getz2perry said:
Wouldn't trade silfverberg straight up for zucc
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NYR wouldn't either.

Downgrading 20 points of production just to get a guy who's 3-4 years younger and MAY one day produce what Zucc is already producing?

No thanks.

Add Montour and a 2nd or 3rd. That would be the price.
 
Dijock94 said:
Someone above me made the best statement. Both teams are looking for the same thing in a trade which doesn't make them suitable partners.
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Anaheim wants skilled forwards, the Rangers want skilled defenseman. Anaheim has skilled defenseman, the Rangers have skilled forwards.
 
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