Proposal: ANA Ducks NYR

[jay from jersey]

ANA get mats Zuccarello

NYR get Jakub Silfverberg Brandon Montour 2nd round pick


If NYR signs Vessy i see them making this deal. why? silfverberg will somewhat replace zucc production, has chemistry with zibby from their ottawa days, montour gives them a waiver exempt offensive right D. and the pick is a pick.


ANA gets a 65-70 fire plug that makes their PP absolutely deadly. give Getz and Perry who are getting older more firepower for a deep run. signed for 3 more years for under 5 mill a year, probably the best bargain in the league

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[bfaust30]

I think its close to fair value, but I think Zuc is too important to the team to trade him.

 

[dracom]

Ducks are not giving up that much for Zucc.

We had one of the best PPs in the league last year, so adding someone to help our PP isn't that big of a need.

And maybe before calling someone a 65-70 point player, wait until he actually does hit that mark at least once in a season. That's just me though...

 

[aufheben]

He's not 65-70 point player, and their PP is already bat****.

 

[MMC]

I'd rather target Kreider. We need LWs, we are fine on the right side and the upgrade from Silf to MZA isn't worth us trading Montour. If we move him it's in a deal for a LW.

 

[Eric Sachs]

ANA get mats Zuccarello

NYR get Jakub Silfverberg Brandon Montour 2nd round pick


If NYR signs Vessy i see them making this deal. why? silfverberg will somewhat replace zucc production, has chemistry with zibby from their ottawa days, montour gives them a waiver exempt offensive right D. and the pick is a pick.


ANA gets a 65-70 fire plug that makes their PP absolutely deadly. give Getz and Perry who are getting older more firepower for a deep run. signed for 3 more years for under 5 mill a year, probably the best bargain in the league

Zuccarello has never scored 65 points, let alone 70.

I think it's too much for ANA to give up anyways. Take out Montour and substitute with a lesser prospect, I imagine.

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Why would the best PP in the NHL need someone to make their PP better? I don't see zucc fitting in with ANA play style.

 

[go4hockey]

There is no 65-70 point player in the deal. And the best bargain in the league plays defense for the Hawks. That's too much for ANA to give up and their PP needs no help it's good as they stand.

 

[jay from jersey]

please..

oh soooo sorry the guys had 61 pts in 81 games coming off a skull fracture feeding guys on a team with no 30 goal scorer. i should have worded it i'm confident on that team with Getz Perry Vats and lindholm he would have put up between 65-to 70 pts. the nit picking on this board has become absurd. I remember why i rarely post anymore.

 

[jay from jersey]

also

most people forget hockey is a business first not a franchise on PS4 in their basement. Zucc is exactly the type of player ANA would covet. They are a budget team, superstars are older, Vats locked up, Despres locked up, and manson and lindholm is a great pairing they shouldn't break up. For the ducks in the supposed deal they get to keep theodore and their first. just like the sens deal. the 2nd wasn't the difference in player from Brassard to Zibby. it was for the cash paid in bonuses because NHL Teams are BUSINESSES.. my guess is value is close. maybe the rangers send lindberg back to play with Rakell on third line and gives them a shooter capable of at least 15 goals who is also cost controlled. and Zucarrello plays both RW and LW equally well.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

most people forget hockey is a business first not a franchise on PS4 in their basement. Zucc is exactly the type of player ANA would covet. They are a budget team, superstars are older, Vats locked up, Despres locked up, and manson and lindholm is a great pairing they shouldn't break up. For the ducks in the supposed deal they get to keep theodore and their first. just like the sens deal. the 2nd wasn't the difference in player from Brassard to Zibby. it was for the cash paid in bonuses because NHL Teams are BUSINESSES.. my guess is value is close. maybe the rangers send lindberg back to play with Rakell on third line and gives them a shooter capable of at least 15 goals who is also cost controlled. and Zucarrello plays both RW and LW equally well.

I didn't like it at first, but you make a very solid argument.

As a NYR fan, I think I'd do Zuccarello & Lindberg for Silfverberg, Montour, and a 2nd.

Although I think ANA could get slightly more for that package from other teams.

 

[jay from jersey]

perhaps

perhaps the could but its all about the dolla bills yo. If the finances don't work with the dollar amount and cap hits for budget teams they can't make the trade. the fact is the ducks have an embarrassment of riches at the RD position. they are all young mansion has gret chemistry with lindholm Larrsson was Just picked 27 OA. losing montour and keeping theodore is not a disaster for him. silfverberg put up 39 pts. I know hes not a 40 pt player. I see him topping out at a 25-30 55pts max type guy and shootout specialist, and thats not a slight at jake i love him as a player buy Zuc is the superior player with superior vision. I know it is going to hurt NYR tremendously to lose him. However, i still believe the key is Zuccs contract. They will have to pay Silfv around 4 mill maybe 4.5. Zucc is already locked into that and is the superior player while only being 2 years older

 

[Exit Dose]

perhaps the could but its all about the dolla bills yo. If the finances don't work with the dollar amount and cap hits for budget teams they can't make the trade. the fact is the ducks have an embarrassment of riches at the RD position. they are all young mansion has gret chemistry with lindholm Larrsson was Just picked 27 OA. losing montour and keeping theodore is not a disaster for him. silfverberg put up 39 pts. I know hes not a 40 pt player. I see him topping out at a 25-30 55pts max type guy and shootout specialist, and thats not a slight at jake i love him as a player buy Zuc is the superior player with superior vision. I know it is going to hurt NYR tremendously to lose him. However, i still believe the key is Zuccs contract. They will have to pay Silfv around 4 mill maybe 4.5. Zucc is already locked into that and is the superior player while only being 2 years older

His defensive acumen is one of his strongest attributes. If he moves into the 50 point range then he's a regular competitor for the Selke. I would rather have that right now than try to land even more help for what was one of the best power plays in the league.

 

[rockinghockey]

ANA way over pays tell it's a NYR fan

 

[GoldiFox]

Ducks are not giving up that much for Zucc.

We had one of the best PPs in the league last year, so adding someone to help our PP isn't that big of a need.

And maybe before calling someone a 65-70 point player, wait until he actually does hit that mark at least once in a season. That's just me though...

No that is pretty much just common sense. Anaheim way overpays here.

 

[Beacon]

Zuccarello averaged a shade under 60 points per 82 games the last 3 seasons, Silfverberg averaged a shade under 40. They're only 3 years apart, so it's not as if the 26 year old Silfverberg will suddenly break through. Zuccarello is a legitimate first liner even on a contender. Also a fan favorite: there are more Zuccarello jerseys at Ranger games than anyone except Lundqvist. Silfverberg is a mid-6 guy: second liner on average teams, less than that on a true contender.

Brandon Montour is a 22 year old without a single NHL game. At this age, it's not a good sign. Sure, he can be in the minors, but you'd think he'd get a cup of coffee when injuries hit if coaches had any trust in him.

The Rangers pass easily.

 

[Ducks in a row]

ANA get mats Zuccarello

NYR get Jakub Silfverberg Brandon Montour 2nd round pick


If NYR signs Vessy i see them making this deal. why? silfverberg will somewhat replace zucc production, has chemistry with zibby from their ottawa days, montour gives them a waiver exempt offensive right D. and the pick is a pick.


ANA gets a 65-70 fire plug that makes their PP absolutely deadly. give Getz and Perry who are getting older more firepower for a deep run. signed for 3 more years for under 5 mill a year, probably the best bargain in the league

Not trading Silfverberg who is almost a 40 point player (39 points each of the past two seasons) with a strong defensive game and is great in shootouts along with a high scoring defenseman prospect and a 2nd round pick for Zuccarello.

oh soooo sorry the guys had 61 pts in 81 games coming off a skull fracture feeding guys on a team with no 30 goal scorer. i should have worded it i'm confident on that team with Getz Perry Vats and lindholm he would have put up between 65-to 70 pts. the nit picking on this board has become absurd. I remember why i rarely post anymore.

61 points in 81 games was a career season he might not reach that many again let alone get more just look at Kessel lot of people though he would be more productive with Penguins then he had been during the season players don't always score more on teams with higher end talent. Calling someone something they aren't yet is absurd.

perhaps the could but its all about the dolla bills yo. If the finances don't work with the dollar amount and cap hits for budget teams they can't make the trade. the fact is the ducks have an embarrassment of riches at the RD position. they are all young mansion has gret chemistry with lindholm Larrsson was Just picked 27 OA. losing montour and keeping theodore is not a disaster for him. silfverberg put up 39 pts. I know hes not a 40 pt player. I see him topping out at a 25-30 55pts max type guy and shootout specialist, and thats not a slight at jake i love him as a player buy Zuc is the superior player with superior vision. I know it is going to hurt NYR tremendously to lose him. However, i still believe the key is Zuccs contract. They will have to pay Silfv around 4 mill maybe 4.5. Zucc is already locked into that and is the superior player while only being 2 years older

Zuccerello makes more then Silfverberg and we need to lower our team salary. Zuccerello is 3 years older then Silfverberg not 2 years.

 

[KreiderHouseRules*]

Zuccarello averaged a shade under 60 points per 82 games the last 3 seasons, Silfverberg averaged a shade under 40. They're only 3 years apart, so it's not as if the 26 year old Silfverberg will suddenly break through. Zuccarello is a legitimate first liner even on a contender. Also a fan favorite: there are more Zuccarello jerseys at Ranger games than anyone except Lundqvist. Silfverberg is a mid-6 guy: second liner on average teams, less than that on a true contender.

Brandon Montour is a 22 year old without a single NHL game. At this age, it's not a good sign. Sure, he can be in the minors, but you'd think he'd get a cup of coffee when injuries hit if coaches had any trust in him.

The Rangers pass easily.

You're right about everything except the reason Montour wasn't playing in the NHL is due largely in part to ANA having an over-abundance of NHL RD either already playing in the NHL. They preferred Montour get top minutes in the AHL than what AV did with McIlrath this year, jerking him around and benching him after he played his best month of NHL hockey because Girardi was 80% healthy, and Dan Boyle is a dynamic offensive rover who is crucial to NYR's potent offense.

Montour's going to be a stud.

I think he'll be better than Julius Honka all things considered.

 

[lindholmie]

Zuccarello averaged a shade under 60 points per 82 games the last 3 seasons, Silfverberg averaged a shade under 40. They're only 3 years apart, so it's not as if the 26 year old Silfverberg will suddenly break through. Zuccarello is a legitimate first liner even on a contender. Also a fan favorite: there are more Zuccarello jerseys at Ranger games than anyone except Lundqvist. Silfverberg is a mid-6 guy: second liner on average teams, less than that on a true contender.

Brandon Montour is a 22 year old without a single NHL game. At this age, it's not a good sign. Sure, he can be in the minors, but you'd think he'd get a cup of coffee when injuries hit if coaches had any trust in him.

The Rangers pass easily.

the ducks had lindholm,fowler, vatanen, manson, depres, stoner and bieksa as the d corp. then holzer and theodore as injury call ups. Where does montour fit? you know that this season was his first professional season. and how is silf less than a second liner on a contender when the ducks are a contender and hes on the second line? lmao have you seen his playoff stats? compare them to rick nash. Hes also the ducks second best defensive forward.

Stick to talking about east coast games cause clearly you don't know **** lmao

 

[Ducks DVM]

Zuccarello averaged a shade under 60 points per 82 games the last 3 seasons, Silfverberg averaged a shade under 40. They're only 3 years apart, so it's not as if the 26 year old Silfverberg will suddenly break through. Zuccarello is a legitimate first liner even on a contender. Also a fan favorite: there are more Zuccarello jerseys at Ranger games than anyone except Lundqvist. Silfverberg is a mid-6 guy: second liner on average teams, less than that on a true contender.

Brandon Montour is a 22 year old without a single NHL game. At this age, it's not a good sign. Sure, he can be in the minors, but you'd think he'd get a cup of coffee when injuries hit if coaches had any trust in him.

The Rangers pass easily.

Zuccarello at age :
22 - not in the NHL
23 - 6G 17A 23P 42GP (0.55 PPG)
24 - 2G 1A 3P 10GP (0.30 PPG)
25 - 3G 5A 8P 15GP (0.53 PPG)

Silfverberg at age :
22 - 10G 9A 19P 48GP (0.40 PPG)
23 - 10G 13A 23P 52GP (0.44 PPG)
24 - 13G 26A 39P 81GP (0.48 PPG)
25 - 20G 19A 39P 82GP (0.48 PPG)

How about we have the discussion about what a player can do after we give the player a chance to show what they can do.

 

[Kalv]

Zuc doesn`t fit Anaheim style (just like Hagelin wasn`t) so for us the value in the OP is way too big to be interested, plus we add salary which we simply can`t do. Pass.

Even though a bit more expensive but Kreider is our type of guy. Surprise me.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Zuccarello at age :
22 - not in the NHL
23 - 6G 17A 23P 42GP (0.55 PPG)
24 - 2G 1A 3P 10GP (0.30 PPG)
25 - 3G 5A 8P 15GP (0.53 PPG)

Silfverberg at age :
22 - 10G 9A 19P 48GP (0.40 PPG)
23 - 10G 13A 23P 52GP (0.44 PPG)
24 - 13G 26A 39P 81GP (0.48 PPG)
25 - 20G 19A 39P 82GP (0.48 PPG)

How about we have the discussion about what a player can do after we give the player a chance to show what they can do.

Normally I'd agree with you, but Tortarella wanted nothing to do with giving Zuccarello a chance. He also almost killed Kreider's career.

There are quite a few players that benefited from him being fired, Zuccarello is easily the most notable.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Zuc doesn`t fit Anaheim style (just like Hagelin wasn`t) so for us the value in the OP is way too big to be interested, plus we add salary which we simply can`t do. Pass.

Even though a bit more expensive but Kreider is our type of guy. Surprise me.

If Zuccarello doesn't fit your style, than neither does Kreider. In fact, Zuccarello is such a smart and versatile player that if he doesn't fit your style, your team's system needs to be changed.

Kreider fits the physical mold of what you're looking for, but Zuccarello would give Anaheim that extra facilitator in it's top-6 that they need.

Hagelin just wasn't a fit because they needed a smarter offensive player. They already have a Hagelin in Cogliano.

 

[bluetuned]

Zuccarello averaged a shade under 60 points per 82 games the last 3 seasons, Silfverberg averaged a shade under 40. They're only 3 years apart, so it's not as if the 26 year old Silfverberg will suddenly break through.

Oof, what a statement this is.

It was 3 seasons ago when Zuccarello had just turned 26 that he "broke through."

I'm not convinced Silfverberg will ever be much better than he is now, but Zuc is a bad point of reference if you're implying players can't see a jump in production well into their 20s.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Oof, what a statement this is.

It was 3 seasons ago when Zuccarello had just turned 26 that he "broke through."

I'm not convinced Silfverberg will ever be much better than he is now, but Zuc is a bad point of reference if you're implying players can't see a jump in production well into their 20s.

Part of that was because Tortarella never gave Zuccarello a real chance. Silf is playing top/middle 6 minutes.

Also, can you really see Silf putting up just about 60 points while being on Anaheim's 3rd line like Zuccarello did in 2014? Zucc got power play time, yes, but at ES, his line with Pouliot and Brassard was our 3rd line on the depth chart.

I'm not saying it can't happen, but that this comparison isn't as black and white as some Anaheim fans are making it or think it is.