Speculation: ANA - DET

[Freaky Styley]

I have literally nothing to be salty about. Just kinda shocked at the level of ignorance there is in terms of McTavish and the Ducks.

I think it's fair to say that McTavish is underrated but that also Detroit wouldn't part with Seider for him.

He had an off year, but Seider's potential is enormous, and #1 RHD are the most coveted position in the NHL.

Personally, I think Seider is a bit overrated (i.e. closer to Byram than Makar) and McTavish is quickly becoming one of the most underrated players in the league IMO, but I still see why a move like that doesn't make sense for DET.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

Nothing. Nothing would be your return for Fowler + Gibson. Because you'd balk at something like Husso (or any goalie not named Cossa) and Maatta and a pick, but that's probably the value.

And it's worthless to speculate about Seider. Any we would accept from you for Seider you would balk at (and rightfully so). He's not indicating that he won't sign with Detroit, so any talk about that is not discussion worthy. Because if there were rumblings he wouldn't sign, the price would be lower and teams would know that. But as it stands, it's you making up a hypothetical that changes the calculus too much for a worthwhile discussion to come from it.

 

[Axel Sandy Pelikan]

Neat. Not shocked that Wings fans are defensive about one of their two good draft picks over the last few seasons.

Well, no shit. Should we not be in favor of our own really good player? Do you really need us to be like "Oh, Mason McTavish, have our babies, you underrated hunk of man!"

We don't want to trade Moritz Seider for Mason McTavish. He's very important to us and even if we get an awesome player in McTavish, we'd be trying to address one hole in our ship by blowing another hole in the other side.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

I don’t think the Ducks should bundle Fowler with Gibson. That would just diminish Fowlers value. If Gibson has negative value, the Ducks can ride out his contract.

If someone wants to make a pitch for Fowler, alone, great. It would have to be a hockey trade or net positive for the Ducks though as he’s their de facto #1 on defense. He can certainly be had as he’s likely not in their future plans, but they would definitely need value back.

 

[SirloinUB]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

I wouldn't be opposed to a Fowler/Gibson deal but I think there would be too many moving pieces for this to make sense.

As a baseline guys like Husso and Holl would to go Anahiem's way and I suspect that doesn't have much appeal for the Ducks. I also wouldn't be looking to a pay a premium for this kind of swap.

As for Seider... He's not available. Full stop.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Neat. Not shocked that Wings fans are defensive about one of their two good draft picks over the last few seasons.

Today I learned that if you don't immediately rush your prospects to the NHL, they suck.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

It would cost a lot more than McTavish to get Seider. Seider is one of those players where if is he on ur team you do everything to get him to sign and you don't trade him unless its for a absolute kings ransom.

So why isn't he signed? I get it it's a business but the guy is a cornerstone tent-pole piece and it's not like the team is in cap hell during a flat cap era.

Nobody knows what's really going on but a fair assumption is the two sides don't agree on money and or term obviously.

The fact that Raymond is also not signed kind of makes it look like Stevie is playing hardball which unless these two want an absolute overpayment which honestly is pretty doubtful since there's tons of comps to go off.

I see no reason why either wouldn't want to stay long-term so this really shouldn't be a difficult deal(s) to get done, especially MO. I get there are two sides so they have to find common ground but sheesh how far apart would they possibly have to be for it to drag on this long.

Is Stevie trying to pay the dead cap 8×8? Or is Mo asking for 12? Because 10 million seems about fair for your young #1 who according to wings fans plays the toughest minutes in the league.
What do wing fans think they are worth?
And who's to blame for the delay?

 

[SirloinUB]

So why isn't he signed? I get it it's a business but the guy is a cornerstone tent-pole piece and it's not like the team is in cap hell during a flat cap era.

Nobody knows what's really going on but a fair assumption is the two sides don't agree on money and or term obviously.

The fact that Raymond is also not signed kind of makes it look like Stevie is playing hardball which unless these two want an absolute overpayment which honestly is pretty doubtful since there's tons of comps to go off.

I see no reason why either wouldn't want to stay long-term so this really shouldn't be a difficult deal(s) to get done, especially MO. I get there are two sides so they have to find common ground but sheesh how far apart would they possibly have to be for it to drag on this long.

Is Stevie trying to pay the dead cap 8×8? Or is Mo asking for 12? Because 10 million seems about fair for your young #1 who according to wings fans plays the toughest minutes in the league.
What do wing fans think they are worth?
And who's to blame for the delay?

Why does there have to be a "blame"?

What is the fundamental problem on, September 9th, that requires blame to be directed at someone?

 

[FissionFire]

Because 10 million seems about fair for your young #1 who according to wings fans plays the toughest minutes in the league.

Minor correction, that’s not according to Wings fans but rather a statistical fact that can be looked up. He has played the toughest minutes in the NHL by a fairly wide margin.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I don't have a link handy, but Seider told the press in MI that he isn't going anywhere (he's building a house here, etc.) but said he wants a fair salary. He's also been on the record saying Raymond is his best friend off the ice too, so it wouldn't surprise me if they''re trying to get matching term and be the next Parise/Suter combo. All this would explain why it's taking a while, however.

So what you're saying is package deal?

 

[iago]

McTavish getting incredibly underrated.

Not sure Ducks would even trade him for Seider.

So it sounds like both teams are happy to avoid any Seider trade proposals to Anaheim. Personally, I think it would be easier to find a reasonable facsimile of McTavish than of Seider.

 

[Gliff]

So it sounds like both teams are happy to avoid any Seider trade proposals to Anaheim. Personally, I think it would be easier to find a reasonable facsimile of McTavish than of Seider.

He doesn't speak for all of us lol.

 

[ChopSuey]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

Mt T isn't going anywhere Wake the F up

 

[Gliff]

Mt T isn't going anywhere Wake the F up

If Seider is available? I will drive McTavish to the airport. I love McT, but Seider is would be the perfect addition for the Ducks.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I'd love to have McTavish.

... It ain't happening for Seider lol.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I want to ponder a few different ideas here.

First is , what would a potential return look like for Fowler + Gibson.

Second, say for whatever reason Seider didn’t want to sign in Detroit. Could there also be a potential deal around McTavish, IF Seider were-to-be available?

wouldnt this be a value of thread

 

[Rooch]

I can't imagine any scenario where Fowler and Gibson are traded together. Two of ANA's highest-paid players and both are deep into the back nine of their careers. Too much salary, not enough benefit.

 

[ZegrassyKnoll]

If Seider is available? I will drive McTavish to the airport. I love McT, but Seider is would be the perfect addition for the Ducks.

Yeah talent aside, we currently have 4 players who fighting for the top 2 center positions and 0 (maybe 1?) player fighting for the top RD. I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

But as others have said, it's not happening.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Yeah talent aside, we currently have 4 players who fighting for the top 2 center positions and 0 (maybe 1?) player fighting for the top RD. I'd do that trade in a heartbeat.

But as others have said, it's not happening.

I kinda figured the second the draft order in 2023 was set that Zegras would end up a winger if he stayed in Anaheim.

Carlsson/Fantilli/Smith and McTavish are all better suited as centers in the NHL than Zegras.

 

[Eegs]

For funzies:

Seider and Berggren
for
McTavish and Luneau

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Leo Carlsson for Sieder is a solid base imo

 

[FiveTacos]

I can't imagine any scenario where Fowler and Gibson are traded together. Two of ANA's highest-paid players and both are deep into the back nine of their careers.

Fowler is 32 and still playing at a good top 4 level, you make it sound like he's just hobbling along as a 3rd pairing guy nearing retirement. It only feels like he's older because he broke into the league at 18.

There are 35 dmen with bigger cap hits, and unlike many of them his contract is not running into his true twilight years. These days that kind of money buys you a Montour, plus you gotta pay him until he's 37.

 

[Gliff]

For funzies:

Seider and Berggren
for
McTavish and Luneau

No. The whole point is to have Luneau and Seider fill out the top 4 with Minty and Zellweger.

Leo Carlsson for Sieder is a solid base imo

I think we can just stop that conversation there lol.

 

[Unbiased Fan]

No. The whole point is to have Luneau and Seider fill out the top 4 with Minty and Zellweger.


I think we can just stop that conversation there lol.

I’m just saying Seider is worth more than Carlsson for sure. He’s the 2nd or 3rd most valuable RHD behind Makar and maybe McAvoy (I’m trying to think if Fox is a RHD I’ll google after) point is he’s definitely more valuable then Leo.

If the wings had to trade him Centre is probably their weakest position. Behind Larkin they have Copp and Compher. In the minors they have Kasper and Danielson who maybe I’m in the minority but I find them very unexciting. Leo would be a great addition.

For the Ducks they get a true number 1 D which they don’t have. McTavish and Zegras are capable top 6 Cs. Honestly could be a win, win down the road.

 

[Gliff]

I’m just saying Seider is worth more than Carlsson for sure. He’s the 2nd or 3rd most valuable RHD behind Makar and maybe McAvoy (I’m trying to think if Fox is a RHD I’ll google after) point is he’s definitely more valuable then Leo.

If the wings had to trade him Centre is probably their weakest position. Behind Larkin they have Copp and Compher. In the minors they have Kasper and Danielson who maybe I’m in the minority but I find them very unexciting. Leo would be a great addition.

For the Ducks they get a true number 1 D which they don’t have. McTavish and Zegras are capable top 6 Cs. Honestly could be a win, win down the road.

I doubt you will find many Ducks fans that would be willing to trade Leo for Seider. Not an inditement on Seider. I would trade literally any piece on the Ducks outside of Leo for him.