Confirmed Trade: [ANA/DET] Ville Husso for future considerations

[Coaches Coroner]

The first domino to fall towards the thread deadline

Huh? You gotta watch Threads(1984) by a certain date? For school?

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Hope you’re not serious. He’s no longer the Risto from 2-3 years ago. He’s turned into a very solid dman, who can handle the minutes playing with either Edvinsson or Seider. Probably Edvinsson. He’d help them a lot 5 on 5. He wouldn’t be cheap either.

Then we probably aren't in it.

Do you care to address the actual post instead of nitpicking the mere mention of a player at the end?

Nah there's been no indication transactions wise that Yzerman will trade picks or upper end prospects for 33 year olds.

Maybe the Canucks want some of that action.

 

[banks]

Husso wasn't NHL worthy any time I saw him with Detroit. But I love a comeback story. So I hope he gets a shot with Anaheim at some point this season. I'll be watching.

But the more interesting story is if Gibson is traded. If he goes to Edmonton I'll be jumping on their bandwagon so hard it could break an axle!

 

[bov]

Then we probably aren't in it.


Nah there's been no indication transactions wise that Yzerman will trade picks or upper end prospects for 33 year olds.

Maybe the Canucks want some of that action.

Thanks for making my point.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

There comes a point where you have to compete, he has shown in the past he's willing to make a splash. Clearing 3.6 mil for this season only, days before the deadline tells me he's ready to make a significant move if it presents itself.

If the Schenns are indeed available, I could see Detroit going in that direction.

Yzerman's MO has been to not trade anything of value for pieces who aren't going to be in the organization for awhile.

Debrincat is the one big move he's really made on the trade market where he had to give anything significant.

 

[Henkka]

10.8M for deadline cap space.

- Can add a forward (center)
- Can add a defenceman

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

10.8M for deadline cap space.

- Can add a forward (center)
- Can add a defenceman

According to PuckPedia, it's $14M.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Has to mean Gibson is gone right?

Nah it's already been addressed many times in this thread, but the Ducks were down to one healthy goalie in the AHL and he's a prospect who isn't ready for the AHL let alone being one more injury away from the NHL. They are trying to get their AHL club to the playoffs, so had no choice but to go out and get a capable AHL goalie. Rather than give up some sort of asset (a pick or whatever) to fill this temporary AHL need, they just used some of their endless cap space and will spend the roughly 1.2M owed to Husso. Plus it gives them a bit of a buffer above the cap floor, in case they wish to sell impending UFAs like Dumoulin or Fabbri for picks.

 

[bov]

Yzerman's MO has been to not trade anything of value for pieces who aren't going to be in the organization for awhile.

Debrincat is the one big move he's really made on the trade market where he had to give anything significant.

Detroit is in a position to make the playoffs and I didn't mention rentals. He has made plenty of big moves over the years, dishing out significant assets to do so. His approach with Detroit has been more conservative than it was with TB, but they now have a deep pool of picks and prospects to deal from if necessary. This stuff about his "MO" is irrelevant, eventually you have to give to get. He is not opposed to this at all.

Husso comes off the books after this season anyway, he isn't just clearing cap days before the deadline for no reason. Obviously, Detroit is prepared to take on salary right now if the deal/s present itself.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Detroit is in a position to make the playoffs and I didn't mention rentals. He has made plenty of big moves over the years, dishing out significant assets to do so. His approach with Detroit has been more conservative than it was with TB, but they now have a deep pool of picks and prospects to deal from if necessary. This stuff about his "MO" is irrelevant, eventually you have to give to get. He is not opposed to this at all.

Husso comes off the books after this season anyway, he isn't just clearing cap days before the deadline for no reason. Obviously, Detroit is prepared to take on salary right now if the deal/s present itself.

Which time, outside Debrincat, has he done that with Detroit?

Detroit is not in the position or the quality of team Tampa was when Yzerman was making Miller/McDonagh type moves.

 

[Petes2424]

I don’t see him with seider since they are both RH shots. Prefer a LH D that way chiarot could move down to 3rd pair keeping Ed-Jo together. Still he would be a solid addition for now and help going into next year to shelter ASP a little or to by time if ASP isn’t quite ready even though I think he is more than ready.

I know you have some sources inside the organization have you heard anything about ASP coming this year after his season?

Nothing but assume he’s coming if he’s able to. Detroit is really good at NOT even commenting on Swedish kids until after their season finishes. They don’t pry. But I assume he’s coming as soon as he can. MBN to GR too.

With Copp out for the year now, that gives them even more cap space. Everything’s on the table. Including retaining for picks on deadline day, if they can’t do what they want.

The McCann stuff is probably legit. The Schenn stuff is also probably legit knowing the relationship between the teams. I know the Byrum stuff was very, very real, but the Cozens stuff is still more media driven. I’m told the DET/BUF talk was always centered around Byrum. If it ever moved to Cozens, who knows. I’ve heard the Ristolainen speculation for about a month now, added to speculation about Drysdale. Detroit’s more defensive oriented scouts have watched Philly more than any other team. I was told back in December that was about Drysdale, but now I’ve heard it’s about either. That Risto has grown on them. Mittlestadt should scare DET fans some, because Yzerman was in on him last year, and the DET scouts have always liked him. Even the beginning of this year. So Colorado watching GR more than once recently is something to keep an eye on. I could absolutely see that happening for those reasons. If they get Mittlestadt though, they’ll have to make a second move for a defensive forward.

Losing Copp is gonna hurt a lot. All those anti-Copp folks are going to see what life without him looks like now, unkess Compher really steps into that role. Copp’s the player a coach just looks at and he knows what to go do. The glue player. So you hope whoever they do bring in, can pick up some of those defensive assignments. Hopefully Rasmussen isn’t out long too because he’s the 2nd player that does all the dirty work. Losing both, you get the results they just got over the weekend. Blowing 2 goal leads late in back to back games.

Think Berggren might finally be on his way out too btw. Heard he’s being shopped for someone who can help them 5 on 5 more.

Things are getting very real. Is he gonna make a core move or punt with more filler type players? Guess we’ll find out, but they will be active. Likely sooner than the deadline.

 

[bov]

Which time, outside Debrincat, has he done that with Detroit?

Detroit is not in the position or the quality of team Tampa was when Yzerman was making Miller/McDonagh type moves.

His recent actions suggest he is prepared to take on a significant player/contract, and to do that you have to deal something of value. Detroit is in a much better position these days to deal from their depth of prospects or full slate of picks if need be. He's not going to pass up a deal because of some made up golden rule, the guy will pull the trigger to help his team. He's not afraid to move regular roster players mid-season either, so I could see Veleno and maybe someone else being shipped out too.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

His recent actions suggest he is prepared to take on a significant player/contract, and to do that you have to deal something of value. Detroit is in a much better position these days to deal from their depth of prospects or full slate of picks if need be. He's not going to pass up a deal because of some made up golden rule, the guy will pull the trigger to help his team. He's not afraid to move regular roster players mid-season either, so I could see Veleno and maybe someone else being shipped out too.

I don't doubt that he'd make a deal to add somebody who will be here for the long haul.

It's rentals that I don't see happening.

 

[bov]

I don't doubt that he'd make a deal to add somebody who will be here for the long haul.

It's rentals that I don't see happening.

That's very possible but speaking for myself I haven't been talking rentals. When he makes big trades, they tend to include players with term so that's more what I'd expect if Detroit makes a big move here.

And again, it does look like he is preparing to add. Clearing out millions in cap just before deadline says something. Who knows whether or not it will materialize but the signs are there.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's very possible but speaking for myself I haven't been talking rentals. When he makes big trades, they tend to include players with term so that's more what I'd expect if Detroit makes a big move here.

And again, it does look like he is preparing to add. Clearing out millions in cap just before deadline says something. Who knows whether or not it will materialize but the signs are there.

It could be.

But it could also be that Anaheim was in desperate need of a quality AHL goalie and both teams benefitted. And gives Detroit the option of adding if they want, and if they don't, they just get to add Kane's bonuses to this year's cap rather than next year's.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Not sure what Anaheim is doing. They could have likely offered up future considerations for Jack Campbell and saved near 4 mil in salary.

 

[crowi]

Not sure what Anaheim is doing. They could have likely offered up future considerations for Jack Campbell and saved near 4 mil in salary.

They're paying like $1.2M in salary, not $4M. Caphit is not salary. Either case, Ducks have plenty of cap room anyway.

They want their AHL team to do well to get prospects some experience.

 

[DavidpauseReinbacher]

Yzerman's MO has been to not trade anything of value for pieces who aren't going to be in the organization for awhile.

Debrincat is the one big move he's really made on the trade market where he had to give anything significant.

We had an extra first when we made that move. If we had extra assets that valuable I can see it. Cap space alone doesn't mean anything to Yzerman. This obsession with "we have cap space, we HAVE to use it is so nonsensical". If your on the cusp a cup sure. On the cusp of a playoff wildcard? Lol nope. Not how he's gonna do business. Can't see it. He will give up exactly what he wants to give up or just moves on.

 

[Jumptheshark]

I think posters are reading too much into this trade. Husso is not an nhl goalie and the two guys playing right now while Gibby is out. Not saying that Gibby aint about to get traded but the guys they have are better then Husso. This is depth for the AHL. Posters talk about money, but we are in the last 1/4 of the season and Husso does not have much money left and ducks got space. Also, they really needed help on the farm

 

[Dazed and Confused]

They're paying like $1.2M in salary, not $4M. Caphit is not salary. Either case, Ducks have plenty of cap room anyway.

They want their AHL team to do well to get prospects some experience.

Pro-rated, sure. But even, then Campbell's salary would have been ~235k vs, Husso's 1.5mil.
(56/82 = ~32% of his salary remaining)

All for a short term injury replacement? It doesn't make much sense without squeezing for an extra asset or two.

 

[Tetsuo]

I think posters are reading too much into this trade. Husso is not an nhl goalie and the two guys playing right now while Gibby is out. Not saying that Gibby aint about to get traded but the guys they have are better then Husso. This is depth for the AHL. Posters talk about money, but we are in the last 1/4 of the season and Husso does not have much money left and ducks got space. Also, they really needed help on the farm

It's clearly Verbeek repaying some favor to Yzerman. Simple as that. Wings clear cap space to make a move before they have to dip into LTIR with Copp being out. Anaheim has plenty of extra cap and Verbeek knows quite well what Husso is at this point.

 

[MMC]

Anaheim is

It's clearly Verbeek repaying some favor to Yzerman. Simple as that. Wings clear cap space to make a move before they have to dip into LTIR with Copp being out. Anaheim has plenty of extra cap and Verbeek knows quite well what Husso is at this point.

If the only thing you care to consider when evaluating a trade is the needs of your own team then I guess it can "clearly" be "simple as" someone doing you a favor. That's not how trades happen in reality though

 

[Jumptheshark]

If the only thing you care to consider when evaluating a trade is the needs of your own team then I guess it can "clearly" be "simple as" someone doing you a favor. That's not how trades happen in reality though

actually some times it is Yserman did that for the oilers a few years ago. Oilers were going to buy out Yamamoto but could not afford to have the cap hit on their cap. WIngs wanted Kostin. Oilers trade KK and Yams for futures. The futures was wings taking Yams contract.

It is like that in any business. It is how you build relationships. You help me today and I will help you tomorrow.

 

[MMC]

actually some times it is Yserman did that for the oilers a few years ago. Oilers were going to buy out Yamamoto but could not afford to have the cap hit on their cap. WIngs wanted Kostin. Oilers trade KK and Yams for futures. The futures was wings taking Yams contract.

It is like that in any business. It is how you build relationships. You help me today and I will help you tomorrow.

Your example just described a situation where both teams wanted something and got it, and with this trade here the Ducks needed a goalie for the AHL more than the Wings needed cap space, so I have no clue how either of these can be boiled down to simply being one team helping out another

 

[Tetsuo]

If the only thing you care to consider when evaluating a trade is the needs of your own team then I guess it can "clearly" be "simple as" someone doing you a favor. That's not how trades happen in reality though

Sure, but Husso is dead weight on the Wings' roster at this point and Verbeek knows that. This is a "favor" type deal because Detroit did not have to attach any assets, doubly so because they need additional cap space now. These types of deals happen all the time, especially between GMs that are friendly with each other, which presumably Yzerman and Verbeek are. Verbeek very easily could have made Detroit cough up an extra asset in return, but did not, which is my point.

I'm well aware of how trades and deals in the NHL work, and sometimes it really is a transparent process from within the ol' boys club. Verbeek *could* be trying to move on from Gibson, but if he's looking for a backup to help fill in, there's a lot of other options he could have explored. In fact, I'd argue Husso is so unlikely to be that, that if Anaheim moves from Gibson, they will get another goalie in either the return or from another move entirely.