An actual breakdown on taxes per team

[kaiser matias]

If we’re brutally honest here, the entire topic is a pre-emptive excuse in case Edmonton loses this series. It’s not enough that they have arguably the two best players in the NHL, it was really an inability to sign Marc Methot that tipped the balance against them.

I may be misremembering, but I don’t remember this topic having any traction until the Tampa/Montreal finals matchup, when cap cheating was on everyone’s mind. All of a sudden everyone got really interested in reasons why there need to be a special dispensation for Canadian teams.

My recollection is that this topic first came to light in 2016 when Stamkos signed his extension with Tampa instead of becoming a UFA. Toronto was reported to have been looking to sign him, and had involved the head of Canadian Tire to help bolster endorsement options. When Stamkos decided to stay in Tampa rather than return home, it became a talk of him getting more money via lower taxes.

 

[Golden_Jet]

My recollection is that this topic first came to light in 2016 when Stamkos signed his extension with Tampa instead of becoming a UFA. Toronto was reported to have been looking to sign him, and had involved the head of Canadian Tire to help bolster endorsement options. When Stamkos decided to stay in Tampa rather than return home, it became a talk of him getting more money via lower taxes.

He thought he had a better chance winning as well, and was right.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Games are paid based on where you play. 41 games a year you'll be paying your home state income tax. The other 41 will be based on where game ins played. So I did a calculation on what that actually ammounts to. For example, Dallas players (no state tax) would still pay tax based on away games.

	Tax %	2 Million	5 Million	10 Million	15 Million
Dallas	2.79%	$55,800	$139,500	$279,000	$418,500
Nashville	2.79%	$55,800	$139,500	$279,000	$418,500
Florida	3.18%	$63,600	$159,000	$318,000	$477,000
Tampa Bay	3.18%	$63,600	$159,000	$318,000	$477,000
Vegas	3.50%	$70,000	$175,000	$350,000	$525,000
Philadelphia	4.33%	$86,600	$216,500	$433,000	$649,500
Pittsburgh	4.33%	$86,600	$216,500	$433,000	$649,500
Colorado	4.59%	$91,800	$229,500	$459,000	$688,500
Utah	4.69%	$93,800	$234,500	$469,000	$703,500
St.Louis	4.72%	$94,400	$236,000	$472,000	$708,000
Chicago	4.82%	$96,400	$241,000	$482,000	$723,000
Carolina	4.92%	$98,400	$246,000	$492,000	$738,000
Detroit	4.92%	$98,400	$246,000	$492,000	$738,000
Columbus	5.51%	$110,200	$275,500	$551,000	$826,500
Seattle	6.37%	$127,400	$318,500	$637,000	$955,500
Minnesota	6.83%	$136,600	$341,500	$683,000	$1,024,500
Boston	6.87%	$137,400	$343,500	$687,000	$1,030,500
Ottawa	6.94%	$138,800	$347,000	$694,000	$1,041,000
Toronto	6.94%	$138,800	$347,000	$694,000	$1,041,000
New Jersey	7.48%	$149,600	$374,000	$748,000	$1,122,000
New York I	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
New York R	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
Washington	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
Buffalo	7.65%	$153,000	$382,500	$765,000	$1,147,500
Calgary	8.01%	$160,200	$400,500	$801,000	$1,201,500
Edmonton	8.01%	$160,200	$400,500	$801,000	$1,201,500
Winnipeg	8.28%	$165,600	$414,000	$828,000	$1,242,000
Anaheim	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
Los Angeles	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
San Jose	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
Vancouver	10.26%	$205,200	$513,000	$1,026,000	$1,539,000
Montreal	12.10%	$242,000	$605,000	$1,210,000	$1,815,000

Note:
USA federal tax is 37%, where as in Canada it's 33%. For this reason, I lowered the Canadian teams taxes by 4% to make up the difference. Keep in mind the table below is just State taxes, so players still need to pay way more taxes than that - but this is a half-decent representation of the difference from one team to another, as federal is across the board.

Below is the full table if you want to see the more in-depth numbers. I added some more notes under it as well.

Home (41) Division (13) In-Conf (12) Out-Conf (16) Average 2 Million 5 Million 10 Million 15 Million Anaheim 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Boston 9.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.87% $137,400 $343,500 $687,000 $1,030,500 Buffalo 10.90% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 7.65% $153,000 $382,500 $765,000 $1,147,500 Calgary 11.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.01% $160,200 $400,500 $801,000 $1,201,500 Carolina 4.50% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.92% $98,400 $246,000 $492,000 $738,000 Chicago 4.95% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.82% $96,400 $241,000 $482,000 $723,000 Colorado 4.40% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.59% $91,800 $229,500 $459,000 $688,500 Columbus 3.50% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 5.51% $110,200 $275,500 $551,000 $826,500 Dallas 0.00% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 2.79% $55,800 $139,500 $279,000 $418,500 Detroit 4.25% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 4.92% $98,400 $246,000 $492,000 $738,000 Edmonton 11.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.01% $160,200 $400,500 $801,000 $1,201,500 Florida 0.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 3.18% $63,600 $159,000 $318,000 $477,000 Los Angeles 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Minnesota 9.85% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 6.83% $136,600 $341,500 $683,000 $1,024,500 Montreal 21.75% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 12.10% $242,000 $605,000 $1,210,000 $1,815,000 Nashville 0.00% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 2.79% $55,800 $139,500 $279,000 $418,500 New Jersey 10.75% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.48% $149,600 $374,000 $748,000 $1,122,000 New York I 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 New York R 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 Ottawa 9.16% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.94% $138,800 $347,000 $694,000 $1,041,000 Philadelphia 3.07% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.33% $86,600 $216,500 $433,000 $649,500 Pittsburgh 3.07% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.33% $86,600 $216,500 $433,000 $649,500 San Jose 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Seattle 7.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 6.37% $127,400 $318,500 $637,000 $955,500 St.Louis 4.70% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.72% $94,400 $236,000 $472,000 $708,000 Tampa Bay 0.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 3.18% $63,600 $159,000 $318,000 $477,000 Toronto 9.16% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.94% $138,800 $347,000 $694,000 $1,041,000 Utah 4.65% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.69% $93,800 $234,500 $469,000 $703,500 Vancouver 16.50% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 10.26% $205,200 $513,000 $1,026,000 $1,539,000 Vegas 0.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 3.50% $70,000 $175,000 $350,000 $525,000 Washington 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 Winnipeg 13.40% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 8.28% $165,600 $414,000 $828,000 $1,242,000 Some notes: - Home tax numbers taken from Turbotax. - I realise this isn't perfect. For example, single people pay a different rate vs married with children. That and this is based on their entire income, but the first ~200k is often in a lower bracket. It's just a rough guide. - Schedules are based on 41 home games, 13 divisional games, 12 inner-conference games, and 16 outer-conference games. The 'average' tax column is based on this (41xHome + 13xDiv + 12xIn + 16xOut) - Other average such as 'Division' is just an average of every team in that category.

It's a good thing they can afford to hire tax attorneys and accountants to make sure this doesn't matter.

 

[DistantThunderRep]

If we’re brutally honest here, the entire topic is a pre-emptive excuse in case Edmonton loses this series. It’s not enough that they have arguably the two best players in the NHL, it was really an inability to sign Marc Methot that tipped the balance against them.

I may be misremembering, but I don’t remember this topic having any traction until the Tampa/Montreal finals matchup, when cap cheating was on everyone’s mind. All of a sudden everyone got really interested in reasons why there need to be a special dispensation for Canadian teams.

So this argument comes up pretty much every around every off season since Stamkos signed in Tampa instead of Toronto. The constant crying every year is real.

The other 3 leagues have a total of 2 teams in Canada, not close to the same.

Lol so you admit its strictly Canadians crying like babies about it? You are saying that All the teams in California, New Jersey, New York just don't give a shit in any other league about it. So we can all agree that its just a pathetic crying excuse by Canadian fans that has been pushed strictly by the Toronto Sports Network and Sportsnet?

 

[DistantThunderRep]

If people want to standardize taxes across the cap, then I say include endorsement deals to the cap. Players who play in places like Toronto, Montreal, Vancouver, New York, LA, etc...will make significantly more in endorsements which aren't even accounted for. Hell last season the top 2 players in NHL endorsements? Marner and Matthews.

 

[oconnor9sean]

Millionaires (like hockey players) consume a lower % of their income which makes a higher sales tax less relevant. Also, higher property sales tend to be linked to lower housing costs which turns into a wash.

I dont have any facts on this to back it up, but whether it's a Manhattan condo or a multi-million dollar mansion in the very affluent areas of north Dallas, I'd bet NHL players all live in fairly similarly priced homes, so the players in higher property taxed states will pay more.

(Obviously there are exceptions with players who live below their means or aren't off their rookie deals, etc)

 

[a mangy Meowth]

That part feel a bit dishonest, if we say that their biggest spending after tax (or before tax even) is equal, then obviously...

Danault house in montreal asked price was 1.35m in canadian dollars:

https://www.tvasports.ca/2021/07/20/la-spectaculaire-maison-de-phillip-danault-mise-en-vente-1

In San Josee, how much in USD ?

Danault Los Angeles house was bought 5.95 millions, nice spot, nice looking house:

616 12th St · 616 12th St, Manhattan Beach, CA 90266, USA

Gebäude

www.google.com

House like that in a nice Dallas spot, does it cost much more than 2.5 millions ?

Honestly find this sort of thing to be super creepy and must say it's the least shocking thing in the world that a habs fan was the one to do it

 

[MadLuke]

Honestly find this sort of thing to be super creepy and must say it's the least shocking thing in the world that a habs fan was the one to do it

it is strange for this to be a 20 second google away like that (did not know that it was possible before trying for the first time to see for this thread)... it is indeed creepy.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

it is strange for this to be a 20 second google away like that... it is indeed creepy.

Posting active players personal home addresses online is weird as f*** I'll die on this hill

 

[MadLuke]

Posting active players personal home addresses online is weird as f*** I'll die on this hill

They are very much 20s away, I would not defend or something I want them to be for sure (if the website that give them is legit), I am fully agreeing with you that it is strange.

maybe I was not clear, I did not find and posted his adress, his adress, price, mortgage his public online on realtyhop:

https://www.realtyhop.com/property-records/search/phillip-danault

No idea it is true information, maybe it is some new laws to make every real estate transaction public in califonia or something ?

 

[InfinityIggy]

It is mildly interesting that 7 of the "top 10" (including the entire top 6) teams on this chart made the playoffs this year, and of the two, one is clearly "rebuilding" (Utah).

 

[PaulD]

Games are paid based on where you play. 41 games a year you'll be paying your home state income tax. The other 41 will be based on where game ins played. So I did a calculation on what that actually ammounts to. For example, Dallas players (no state tax) would still pay tax based on away games.

	Tax %	2 Million	5 Million	10 Million	15 Million
Dallas	2.79%	$55,800	$139,500	$279,000	$418,500
Nashville	2.79%	$55,800	$139,500	$279,000	$418,500
Florida	3.18%	$63,600	$159,000	$318,000	$477,000
Tampa Bay	3.18%	$63,600	$159,000	$318,000	$477,000
Vegas	3.50%	$70,000	$175,000	$350,000	$525,000
Philadelphia	4.33%	$86,600	$216,500	$433,000	$649,500
Pittsburgh	4.33%	$86,600	$216,500	$433,000	$649,500
Colorado	4.59%	$91,800	$229,500	$459,000	$688,500
Utah	4.69%	$93,800	$234,500	$469,000	$703,500
St.Louis	4.72%	$94,400	$236,000	$472,000	$708,000
Chicago	4.82%	$96,400	$241,000	$482,000	$723,000
Carolina	4.92%	$98,400	$246,000	$492,000	$738,000
Detroit	4.92%	$98,400	$246,000	$492,000	$738,000
Columbus	5.51%	$110,200	$275,500	$551,000	$826,500
Seattle	6.37%	$127,400	$318,500	$637,000	$955,500
Minnesota	6.83%	$136,600	$341,500	$683,000	$1,024,500
Boston	6.87%	$137,400	$343,500	$687,000	$1,030,500
Ottawa	6.94%	$138,800	$347,000	$694,000	$1,041,000
Toronto	6.94%	$138,800	$347,000	$694,000	$1,041,000
New Jersey	7.48%	$149,600	$374,000	$748,000	$1,122,000
New York I	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
New York R	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
Washington	7.54%	$150,800	$377,000	$754,000	$1,131,000
Buffalo	7.65%	$153,000	$382,500	$765,000	$1,147,500
Calgary	8.01%	$160,200	$400,500	$801,000	$1,201,500
Edmonton	8.01%	$160,200	$400,500	$801,000	$1,201,500
Winnipeg	8.28%	$165,600	$414,000	$828,000	$1,242,000
Anaheim	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
Los Angeles	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
San Jose	8.95%	$179,000	$447,500	$895,000	$1,342,500
Vancouver	10.26%	$205,200	$513,000	$1,026,000	$1,539,000
Montreal	12.10%	$242,000	$605,000	$1,210,000	$1,815,000

Note:
USA federal tax is 37%, where as in Canada it's 33%. For this reason, I lowered the Canadian teams taxes by 4% to make up the difference. Keep in mind the table below is just State taxes, so players still need to pay way more taxes than that - but this is a half-decent representation of the difference from one team to another, as federal is across the board.

Below is the full table if you want to see the more in-depth numbers. I added some more notes under it as well.

Home (41) Division (13) In-Conf (12) Out-Conf (16) Average 2 Million 5 Million 10 Million 15 Million Anaheim 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Boston 9.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.87% $137,400 $343,500 $687,000 $1,030,500 Buffalo 10.90% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 7.65% $153,000 $382,500 $765,000 $1,147,500 Calgary 11.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.01% $160,200 $400,500 $801,000 $1,201,500 Carolina 4.50% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.92% $98,400 $246,000 $492,000 $738,000 Chicago 4.95% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.82% $96,400 $241,000 $482,000 $723,000 Colorado 4.40% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.59% $91,800 $229,500 $459,000 $688,500 Columbus 3.50% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 5.51% $110,200 $275,500 $551,000 $826,500 Dallas 0.00% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 2.79% $55,800 $139,500 $279,000 $418,500 Detroit 4.25% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 4.92% $98,400 $246,000 $492,000 $738,000 Edmonton 11.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.01% $160,200 $400,500 $801,000 $1,201,500 Florida 0.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 3.18% $63,600 $159,000 $318,000 $477,000 Los Angeles 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Minnesota 9.85% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 6.83% $136,600 $341,500 $683,000 $1,024,500 Montreal 21.75% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 12.10% $242,000 $605,000 $1,210,000 $1,815,000 Nashville 0.00% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 2.79% $55,800 $139,500 $279,000 $418,500 New Jersey 10.75% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.48% $149,600 $374,000 $748,000 $1,122,000 New York I 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 New York R 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 Ottawa 9.16% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.94% $138,800 $347,000 $694,000 $1,041,000 Philadelphia 3.07% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.33% $86,600 $216,500 $433,000 $649,500 Pittsburgh 3.07% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 4.33% $86,600 $216,500 $433,000 $649,500 San Jose 13.30% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 8.95% $179,000 $447,500 $895,000 $1,342,500 Seattle 7.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 6.37% $127,400 $318,500 $637,000 $955,500 St.Louis 4.70% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.72% $94,400 $236,000 $472,000 $708,000 Tampa Bay 0.00% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 3.18% $63,600 $159,000 $318,000 $477,000 Toronto 9.16% 8.03% 7.20% 7.96% 6.94% $138,800 $347,000 $694,000 $1,041,000 Utah 4.65% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 4.69% $93,800 $234,500 $469,000 $703,500 Vancouver 16.50% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 10.26% $205,200 $513,000 $1,026,000 $1,539,000 Vegas 0.00% 10.68% 7.96% 7.20% 3.50% $70,000 $175,000 $350,000 $525,000 Washington 10.90% 7.20% 7.20% 7.96% 7.54% $150,800 $377,000 $754,000 $1,131,000 Winnipeg 13.40% 5.24% 7.96% 7.20% 8.28% $165,600 $414,000 $828,000 $1,242,000 Some notes: - Home tax numbers taken from Turbotax. - I realise this isn't perfect. For example, single people pay a different rate vs married with children. That and this is based on their entire income, but the first ~200k is often in a lower bracket. It's just a rough guide. - Schedules are based on 41 home games, 13 divisional games, 12 inner-conference games, and 16 outer-conference games. The 'average' tax column is based on this (41xHome + 13xDiv + 12xIn + 16xOut) - Other average such as 'Division' is just an average of every team in that category.

YAWN

 

[tucker3434]

I think this whole argument is kinda tired. According to cap friendly, LA's taxes are similar to Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa. Does LA have trouble attracting talent? I think the real problem, if you want to call it that, is that those good ole Canadian boys don't actually want to play at home nearly as badly as the fans think they do. They can spend a month there in the offseason when the weather is nice and then spend the other 11 months somewhere bigger, warmer, whatever.

What proportion of the people here live where they do because of the income tax rate? Anyone?

 

[Golden_Jet]

I think this whole argument is kinda tired. According to cap friendly, LA's taxes are similar to Toronto, Montreal and Ottawa. Does LA have trouble attracting talent? I think the real problem, if you want to call it that, is that those good ole Canadian boys don't actually want to play at home nearly as badly as the fans think they do. They can spend a month there in the offseason when the weather is nice and then spend the other 11 months somewhere bigger, warmer, whatever.

What proportion of the people here live where they do because of the income tax rate? Anyone?

I know a few Americans, they have lived in different states, and would only look for jobs in no tax states, it’s definitely a thing.

 

[Legion34]

Correlation does not equal causation. Remember when Florida ruined their cap structure with the worst goalie contract in the league? Remember when they gave away a sustainable top-10 scorer for a guy who only had one big season? Nobody was complaining about cap advantages when they were a terrible team making dumb mistakes. It turns out they identified the right guys and committed to them, when anyone else could have done the same. Florida’s not winning because of cap exploits, they’re winning because they made smarter moves than the other teams. Same with Vegas, who got clowned for their moves until people figured out they were the smartest team in the room (juxtaposed against no-income-tax Seattle, who nobody complains about). Same with Dallas, same with Tampa. Those are smarter, better run organizations than the teams who throw 40% of their cap at guys who can’t carry the water. Look to that for your explanations as to why they’re in the Finals year after year.




Sorry, you are confusing the general unfairness of life with actual legal unfairness. You don’t get to dictate “corrections” to things that aren’t against the rules, just because they’re inconvenient to your home team.

It’s unfair that Toronto has 10 times more resources than Columbus. It’s unfair that San Jose is a far more attractive place to live than Edmonton. It’s unfair that NYC offers more perks to pro athletes than Raleigh. It’s unfair that Florida has less taxes than Montreal.

That’s life. Every market has its advantages and disadvantages. If you want lower taxes, that’s on your government, not the NHL. At least you get a vote in one of these.

1.) causation is clear when NHL players gms agents insiders and media openly say players take less aav in low tax markets to get the same pay in the cap. It’s literally the cause. Because they say it.

2.) fairness and success are not the same. Toronto didn’t win a cup pre cap. Tampa did. That doesn’t mean that big budget teams like Toronto didn’t have an advantage just because they screwed it up. If teams played 5 on 4 the full game and the PK team won. Was that fair? You can overcome unfair treatment. Doesn’t mean jt was fair

3.) No. You are conflating unregulated advantages with an artificially imposed one. There is no complaint about weather or celebrity or media pressure. Those are natural advantages. Ok. The NHL didn’t cap those.

They chose to cap one advantage. Salaries. Make that fair.

 

[josra33]

My recollection is that this topic first came to light in 2016 when Stamkos signed his extension with Tampa instead of becoming a UFA. Toronto was reported to have been looking to sign him, and had involved the head of Canadian Tire to help bolster endorsement options. When Stamkos decided to stay in Tampa rather than return home, it became a talk of him getting more money via lower taxes.

Because Toronto fans need something to hold on to. "He clearly wants to play in Toronto, along with every other star. Must be something keeping him gone."

 

[tarheelhockey]

1.) causation is clear when NHL players gms agents insiders and media openly say players take less aav in low tax markets to get the same pay in the cap. It’s literally the cause. Because they say it.

Which is no different than taking a hometown discount to play anywhere else and enjoy the perks of those other places. As pointed out upthread, are we going to start penalizing the Leafs every time their players appear in a commercial?

2.) fairness and success are not the same. Toronto didn’t win a cup pre cap. Tampa did. That doesn’t mean that big budget teams like Toronto didn’t have an advantage just because they screwed it up. If teams played 5 on 4 the full game and the PK team won. Was that fair? You can overcome unfair treatment. Doesn’t mean jt was fair

Everyone’s already playing by the same rules. The cap is the cap. If your local municipality has high taxes, that’s not anyone else’s problem. Demanding that to be fixed by the NHL is like demanding fewer penalties because you signed a trash goalie. The ball is in your court, not the NHL’s. If you don’t like your local taxes, go vote.

3.) No. You are conflating unregulated advantages with an artificially imposed one. There is no complaint about weather or celebrity or media pressure. Those are natural advantages. Ok. The NHL didn’t cap those.

They chose to cap one advantage. Salaries. Make that fair.

It’s already fair. The cap is the same for everyone. The NHL is not in control of your taxes. If you don’t like them, go vote.

And by the way, there certainly ARE complaints about certain markets having other built-in advantages. Those complaints aren’t taken seriously because they’re petty.

 

[a mangy Meowth]

I know a few Americans, they have lived in different states, and would only look for jobs in no tax states, it’s definitely a thing.

lol. It's an extremely diverse country with over 330 million people

 

[Golden_Jet]

lol. It's an extremely diverse country with over 330 million people

Thanks tips,

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What proportion of the people here live where they do because of the income tax rate? Anyone?

 

[tucker3434]

I know a few Americans, they have lived in different states, and would only look for jobs in no tax states, it’s definitely a thing.

I've lived in 4 states and 5 cities. My wife has lived in 5 states, 6 cities. We aren't exactly tied down. When we were considering Nashville, the 6% income tax we would have saved (and 3% sales tax advantage we would have lost) wasn't even on our list of concerns. It's peanuts compared to more important factors.

I'd just bet that Stamkos decided he liked the beach over Toronto, and the taxes are just an added bonus/scapegoat for Canadian fans.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I've lived in 4 states and 5 cities. My wife has lived in 5 states, 6 cities. We aren't exactly tied down. When we were considering Nashville, the 6% income tax we would have saved (and 3% sales tax advantage we would have lost) wasn't even on our list of concerns. It's peanuts compared to more important factors.

I'd just bet that Stamkos decided he liked the beach over Toronto, and the taxes are just an added bonus/scapegoat for Canadian fans.

Never mentioned Canada, but ok.
I was just pointing out its foolish to say

What proportion of the people here live where they do because of the income tax rate? Anyone?

Anyone?

 

[cowboy82nd]

People didn't want to sign in Florida until they got good, management got better, and ownership was stable. Same with Tampa, no one wanted to sign in their shit show until Koules and Barrie were out the door. I am just saying, there are a bunch of morons who just think "HERPA A DERPA DOOOOO, IT MUST BE THE TAXES!!!!!" All because they believed some stupid ass talking heads on TSN and Sportsnet.

Its absolutely baffling that no one else but idiots on TSN and Sportsnet in Canada whine and bitch about taxes, when NO OTHER professional league in North America complains. Hell the NBA found Canadian RCA's such a tax advantage, they barred Toronto (And the Grizz when they were around) from offering it to players as a way to entice them.


Allan Walsh has publicly said that the Tax talk is completely overblown. Also why do you think not a single other professional league cries as much as pathetic canadian hockey fans (I live in Vancouver, so I am exposed to the crying a lot) about Taxes? You would think the Yankees would be bitching about the Marlins, Rangers, Rays, Mariners, etc... having an advantage?

Just to point out one thing, MLB doesn’t have a hard cap, so taxes don’t affect salary at all.

 

[cowboy82nd]

I think they need to do something with taxes and the salary cap. Say a player is traded from California to Florida, they reduce their salary or vice-verse they increase it. I like the idea because it makes it so a player doesn't sign because of the tax cut. Because that's one big factor in the game right now. Or they just raise their salaries if they get traded from Vegas to New York by what's owed in taxes.

If they are going to do something about taxes and the salary cap then maybe they should also do something about endorsements and the salary cap? You know players in Toronto have a greater chance of getting endorsement deals then say players in Florida?

 

[Golden_Jet]

If they are going to do something about taxes and the salary cap then maybe they should also do something about endorsements and the salary cap? You know players in Toronto have a greater chance of getting endorsement deals then say players in Florida?

Sure, might as well come up with a dollar exchange equalization program as well.

 

[tucker3434]

Never mentioned Canada, but ok.
I was just pointing out its foolish to say

What proportion of the people here live where they do because of the income tax rate? Anyone?

Anyone?

Well, is there? I mean a poster here, not the “I know a guy” because we all know a guy. For all the people that complain about local taxes, has a single poster here ever moved because of them?

To read these threads, you’d be surprised to learn that Canada even exists. It’s apparently financial suicide to live there.