Post-Game Talk: Always Be Fluffing

[McRanger92]

switch Berard and Laffy for a game.

I dont watch to mess up the mojo by taking Berard Marchand off that line.

 

[Machinehead]

He was our best skater against Florida in the ECF 6 months ago. Im not giving up on a 23rd year who we know is capable of much more. Panarin is on borrowed time in NY.

He showed a great flash last year, but he needed to get even better. Even staying there would have been a huge disappointment. Instead, he's gone straight back to being the corpse he was for his first three years.

He's signed to an extension, so "don't give up on him" just seems like an obvious conclusion at this point. Yeah, hope he's good and tinker with it if you have to.

The fact that we still need to tinker with it in year five, I think, tells you the caliber of player you have.

 

[duhmetreE]

He showed a great flash last year, but he needed to get even better. Even staying there would have been a huge disappointment. Instead, he's gone straight back to being the corpse he was for his first three years.

He's signed to an extension, so "don't give up on him" just seems like an obvious conclusion at this point. Yeah, hope he's good and tinker with it if you have to.

The fact that we still need to tinker with it in year five, I think, tells you the caliber of player you have.

he started well.... until he inked a fat contract

 

[Machinehead]

he started well.... until he inked a fat contract

If he was really anything, that wouldn't have an effect.

That's kind of my point with Lafreniere and all the excuses, and all the "what if," and all of the attempts to explain it.

Star players are foolproof and excel independently.

 

[duhmetreE]

I dont watch to mess up the mojo by taking Berard Marchand off that line.

tbh anyone who plays with Cuylle Chytil has shown success....

Laffy being the playmaker on that line while Cuylle and Chytil create space for him makes sense.

Berard would be the honeybadger energy that attacks and creates havoc for Panarin.

 

[McRanger92]

He showed a great flash last year, but he needed to get even better. Even staying there would have been a huge disappointment. Instead, he's gone straight back to being the corpse he was for his first three years.

He's signed to an extension, so "don't give up on him" just seems like an obvious conclusion at this point. Yeah, hope he's good and tinker with it if you have to.

The fact that we still need to tinker with it in year five, I think, tells you the caliber of player you have.

I think he and Fox are both guys that need to and will be rehabilitated. Neither has been up to par this year and they are the future. Lafreniere is playing his off wing and charity PP time. Fox is playing with Lindgren. Both guys are being held back and its correctable. Should be organizational priorities.

 

[duhmetreE]

If he was really anything, that wouldn't have an effect.

That's kind of my point with Lafreniere and all the excuses, and all the "what if," and all of the attempts to explain it.

Star players are foolproof and excel independently.

I'm not making excuses he needs to be way better. Even more so now with his new contract.

He's fallen off greatly since the team went on this emo spiral

 

[Machinehead]

I think he and Fox are both guys that need to and will be rehabilitated. Neither has been up to par this year and they are the future. Lafreniere is playing his off wing and charity PP time. Fox is playing with Lindgren. Both guys are being held back and its correctable. Should be organizational priorities.

I'm willing to give Fox the excuse of "he's playing with Lindgren" because his rookie year came on a dogshit team, playing third pair minutes, with some mishmash of Staal, Hajek, Skjei, and Lindgren.

He forced his way in and just grabbed the #1D role in less than year because he was undeniable.

Lafreniere has never done that -and sorry to be the bearer of news- he never will. You can debate whether anyone is in the best position in the lineup for themselves and the team, but star players just grab it.

I'm willing to try things, because why not? But the guy has never been productive without Panarin so I'm not buying that Panarin is an anchor (I mean just think about the optics here of comparing playing with Panarin to playing with Lindgren).

All that being said, even if he isn't all that, it is an organizational priority to get the best version of it. I just don't think linemates and ice time are a simple solution. He needs to work on his skating and just give more of a f***.

Fox has earned the right to just be over it right now and I fully trust that he'll be 100% when he isn't surrounded by clowns. Right now, Lafreniere is one of the clowns.

 

[Machinehead]

If Slafkovsky continues to be completely f***ing mediocre, two of the worst 1st overall picks ever will belong to Jeff Gorton.

I know the Slafkovsky draft sucked and Lafreniere was absolutely the pick everyone makes, but man, that is a hell of a noise to try and tell me it's just an accident.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

Laffy got the bag and then said “alright imma head out” lol

 

[Greg02]

I continue to think that if any of the kids have an argument that the Rangers screwed up their development, it's Filip Chytil.

 

[Jack Hanson]

Laffy got the bag and then said “alright imma head out” lol

you mis spelt Igor

 

[DanielBrassard]

switch Berard and Laffy for a game.

I’d switch Lafreniere and Brodzinski, I unironically think Brodzinski who is decent at puck retrievals and likes to find soft spots to shoot the puck would be a good fit on that line. Then go Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Smith. Wouldn’t touch the other lines.

 

[80shockeywasbuns]

I’d switch Lafreniere and Brodzinski, I unironically think Brodzinski who is decent at puck retrievals and likes to find soft spots to shoot the puck would be a good fit on that line. Then go Lafreniere-Zibanejad-Smith. Wouldn’t touch the other lines.

A fellow Brodzinksi truther in the wild

 

[Machinehead]

Brodzinski is actually a halfway decent player. He's undersized and you can't afford to just be a halfway decent guy with strong fundamentals at 6'0". You're at the point where you either need to produce a lot or do something visual that's probably bullshit.

He would be an everyday player for me.

 

[zlev]

i thought the team was much better last year with him at 3C than it was with Wennberg

 

[Harbour Dog]

Star players are foolproof and excel independently.

Isn't this a truism? We don't say a player is a star player until he excels.

 

[Grifter3511]

If he was really anything, that wouldn't have an effect.

That's kind of my point with Lafreniere and all the excuses, and all the "what if," and all of the attempts to explain it.

Star players are foolproof and excel independently.

I'm born and raised in Vancouver BC, so I have a lot of experience watching players not become the stars they are until well into their careers (Sedins year 5, Naslund year 6, bertuzzi year 8 or so, hell even JT Miller). So while I'm not holding my breath, I'm not giving up hope yet either.

 

[Machinehead]

I'm born and raised in Vancouver BC, so I have a lot of experience watching players not become the stars they are until well into their careers (Sedins year 5, Naslund year 6, bertuzzi year 8 or so, hell even JT Miller). So while I'm not holding my breath, I'm not giving up hope yet either.

How many of those guys were 1OA?

 

[Grifter3511]

How many of those guys were 1OA?

So if a 1OA is not a superstar by year 5 he never will be but if its a 20A or a 30A there's totally a chance?

 

[Machinehead]

So if a 1OA is not a superstar by year 5 he never will be but if its a 20A or a 30A there's totally a chance?

Not necessarily, but you're talking about exceptions, and they're all guys that came from a different generation, except maybe Miller, who has had personal problems.

If a 1OA isn't special immediately, then yes, you're banking on the odds that he's a huge exception.

 

[Matt Rentfree]

Could he be right-handed? Would explain a bit…

Most left shot players are right-handed.

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

If he was really anything, that wouldn't have an effect.

That's kind of my point with Lafreniere and all the excuses, and all the "what if," and all of the attempts to explain it.

Star players are foolproof and excel independently.

Truer words have never been spoken.

Watching this team for 25+ years and I don't remember a single 1st round pick of ours that became a superstar (for us)

I guess you could argue Kreider, but his prime was very short lived and even then he was more of a PP specialist.

This organization needs to hit on a 1st round pick in the 1-10 range being a legit superstar.

Kravtsov, Andersson, Lundkvist, Miller, Kreider, Chytil, Laf, Kakko, Othmann, Schneider, Del Zotto, the list is never ending.

Half of these guys aren't even in the league and the ones that play are/were seriously mid outside of a few years of Kreider.

Othmann and Schneider still remain to be seen but both project to be reliable depth players versus serious impact players. Chytil is one bump away from retirement, obviously nobodies fault there.

Team just can't draft in the first round, man

 

[17futurecap]

Louis should get to play one game a year until he retires to see if he can leave here undefeated.

 

[Machinehead]

Truer words have never been spoken.

Watching this team for 25+ years and I don't remember a single 1st round pick of ours that became a superstar (for us)

I guess you could argue Kreider, but his prime was very short lived and even then he was more of a PP specialist.

This organization needs to hit on a 1st round pick in the 1-10 range being a legit superstar.

Kravtsov, Andersson, Lundkvist, Miller, Kreider, Chytil, Laf, Kakko, Othmann, Schneider, Del Zotto, the list is never ending.

Half of these guys aren't even in the league and the ones that play are/were seriously mid outside of a few years of Kreider.

Othmann and Schneider still remain to be seen but both project to be reliable depth players versus serious impact players. Chytil is one bump away from retirement, obviously nobodies fault there.

Team just can't draft in the first round, man

Kreider a solid, albeit injury-ridden, prime where he averaged around 37, 38 goals every 82 games he played.

I want a guy where 38 goals is normal and he has 50-something assists too.