GDT: All things training camp

[Jet]

I came round to Capo also, despite the 360s carried out at the pace of a snail recovering from a three-day bender. Hope he prospers.

I really liked his offensive blueline management, personally it's the area of my game I most struggle with because I'm very risk adverse.

It takes balls to make decisions that are quite risky there, and skill to actually consistently come out on top.

Morrissey ofc is an absolute magician at this, whereas I think with Pionk is one of his weakest parts of his game.

Demelo is more like me when it comes to it, would much rather take most of the risk out if it and throw it down the boards.

It's also shot selection - which is an art in itself.

Before Byfuglien transformed his game he was absolute garbage at risk management and was why I was an eternal critic. If there's one thing I think Noel started and Maurice finished that were lasting accomplishments, it was getting Buff to really change his thinking and consider risk.

FWIW I really like Miller's offensive blueline management. It's like a hybrid of Morrissey and Demelo. He will take measured risks, moves along the blueline well, and is really smart with shot selection. However, he seems to really understand his limitations and knows when to "Demelo" it.

 

[tbcwpg]

If Helle was not our goalie then we’d be a bubble team year in and year out
Bro had an amazing season last year too.

If Helle was not the goalie this team would be at Buffalo/Ottawa levels.

 

[Eyeseeing]

But Helly is our goalie, i don't get the thinking that just because we have Helly we are a good team. To me that's a great thing to have, it's like saying the Oilers would be a shity team without McJesus . We have one of the best goalies in the League and one of the highest paid so to me that's a great thing. Now we just need him and the entire team to take it up a notch in the playoffs like the really good teams do .

Yes he is the MVP
Without him this group barely makes the playoffs,he is that good.
Cheveldayoff gets a lot of extra benefit of the doubt because Helle’s stellar regular season record and performance

 

[Jet]

If Helle was not the goalie this team would be at Buffalo/Ottawa levels.

I think that this was more true definitely in the past - but as Brossoit showed with this team, a competent goaltender makes this team a playoff team. In my mind last year Helle took this team from one that was maybe taking the third spot in the Central or one of the wildcards to a President's trophy contender.

 

[surixon]

I think that this was more true definitely in the past - but as Brossoit showed with this team, a competent goaltender makes this team a playoff team. In my mind last year Helle took this team from one that was maybe taking the third spot in the Central or one of the wildcards to a President's trophy contender.

Agreed. I don't expect by far league best tending this year, but we should still be in the top 5 to 10 which should put us comfortably in the playoffs.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Definition: understanding of a situation or event after it has happened or developed. The word hindsight is a fairly recent word originating in the 1800s. One of the first documentations of the word actually refers to “backsight” as in “backsight of a firearm.” The word hind is synonymous with back

But it is NOT hindsight if you are able to say, "told you so".

 

[Cypruss]

But it is NOT hindsight if you are able to say, "told you so".

Ya. Doesn’t really make sense to me either. I just looked up the origin of the word to answer your question (and because I was curious as well).

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Ya. Doesn’t really make sense to me either. I just looked up the origin of the word to answer your question (and because I was curious as well).

I liked the reference to gunsights.

 

[Jets 31]

Yes he is the MVP
Without him this group barely makes the playoffs,he is that good.
Cheveldayoff gets a lot of extra benefit of the doubt because Helle’s stellar regular season record and performance

But Chevy drafted him and he's tied for our highest paid player. What i'm trying to get across is Helly is a player on the Jets just like everyone else but because he's the goalie we say this team is shit without Helly like it's a bad thing. Take any team's best player out of their lineup and that team isn't nearly as good.We are very lucky to have Helly now we need even more out of him come playoffs.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

I still think Capobianco is a better defenseman than Kovacevic- I think the shame is e didn't find a way to use him last year.

I'll be watching him closely as I really like his game.

Capo lite it up and was an all star on the Moose last year. But on the Moise he played a different game than he would have in The NHL….

Kovacevic played a more defensive responsible game / hard nosed with a hint of offence.

Kovy > Capo

 

[10Ducky10]

All this love for Capo.
He played his first game in the NHL 7 years ago and he has a whopping 12 points in 77 games.
Oh ya, he just cleared waivers, again.
He is 27 years old, if he was going to amount to anything, he would have by now.
A career AHLer.

 

[Jet]

All this love for Capo.
He played his first game in the NHL 7 years ago and he has a whopping 12 points in 77 games.
Oh ya, he just cleared waivers, again.
He is 27 years old, if he was going to amount to anything, he would have by now.
A career AHLer.

Yeah there's definitely something we don't know about him.

 

[lanky]

All this love for Capo.
He played his first game in the NHL 7 years ago and he has a whopping 12 points in 77 games.
Oh ya, he just cleared waivers, again.
He is 27 years old, if he was going to amount to anything, he would have by now.
A career AHLer.

I don't agree with this logic at all.
A person can only succeed with the opportunities available. There have been plenty of career AHLers that would have made fine NHLers if given a chance.
Martin St Louis didn't leave the AHL behind til he was 25. He wasn't a late bloomer. It just took that many years for a real opportunity.

I'm not making a case that Capo would have been a star. Only that he can't be judged on the opportunities he didn't get.

 

[Channelcat]

Yeah there's definitely something we don't know about him.

Ya maybe. I always had the impression that the organization just didn't really care for him. Yet a guy like Comrie continually gets opportunities even though he belongs nowhere near an NHL roster. I suppose it's a bit like any other business where it's who you know, and whether people like you.

 

[Jet]

Ya maybe. I always had the impression that the organization just didn't really care for him. Yet a guy like Comrie continually gets opportunities even though he belongs nowhere near an NHL roster. I suppose it's a bit like any other business where it's who you know, and whether people like you.

So many politics. I played shinny last night with this guy who's just a phenomenal player, but he couldn't get a pro contract because he didn't know anybody in a decision making capacity. It's sad for these guys tbh.

Almost like actors in Hollywood, you see the same faces over and over and over, it's so hard to crack.

 

[Buffdog]

I don't agree with this logic at all.
A person can only succeed with the opportunities available. There have been plenty of career AHLers that would have made fine NHLers if given a chance.
Martin St Louis didn't leave the AHL behind til he was 25. He wasn't a late bloomer. It just took that many years for a real opportunity.

I'm not making a case that Capo would have been a star. Only that he can't be judged on the opportunities he didn't get.

For every St Louis, there are hundreds of Marko Danos

Guys who do get an opportunity and can't run with it. Your exception, as they say, makes the rule

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

But Chevy drafted him and he's tied for our highest paid player. What i'm trying to get across is Helly is a player on the Jets just like everyone else but because he's the goalie we say this team is shit without Helly like it's a bad thing. Take any team's best player out of their lineup and that team isn't nearly as good.We are very lucky to have Helly now we need even more out of him come playoffs.

Yes, absolutely. But, at the same time, we can see that Helle covers a lot of flaws in the rest of the roster. Just like McD papers over a lot of flaws in the Edm roster.

All this love for Capo.
He played his first game in the NHL 7 years ago and he has a whopping 12 points in 77 games.
Oh ya, he just cleared waivers, again.
He is 27 years old, if he was going to amount to anything, he would have by now.
A career AHLer.

But probably a bit of an upgrade over Fleury/Coglan, based on what we have seen from them so far in TC.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Yes, absolutely. But, at the same time, we can see that Helle covers a lot of flaws in the rest of the roster. Just like McD papers over a lot of flaws in the Edm roster.



But probably a bit of an upgrade over Fleury/Coglan, based on what we have seen from them so far in TC.

Yep.

Coughlan has been utter pants from what I've seen, whereas I'd put Fleury in the Milquetoast category -- probs won't help ya, hopefully won't hurt ya.

Miller is a solid step up, and hopefully both Ville and Stan make it back in time to make HF mostly expendable.

I think Salo needs some AHL time to learn to play to the ice and the speed of the NA game. Still think that once called up he's more likely to stick than boomerang but time will tell.

If the Jets are in a dogfight from early on in the season I expect the org's reflexive conservatism to take over, and a Play Not to Lose second half.

 

[gojetsgo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1842990984902422657

 

[gojetsgo]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1842992425503186975

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1842990984902422657

I would much rather keep JAD and waive Kupari.

Looks like 4C being handed to Kup again. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that he does better this year than last. Will at least double his scoring output.

 

[Mud Turtle]

I would much rather keep JAD and waive Kupari.

Looks like 4C being handed to Kup again. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that he does better this year than last. Will at least double his scoring output.

Agree. I really liked JAD. He did a lot of things well.
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got claimed.

 

[Jack7222]

Think people underrate Schmidt's contribution last year. Obviously overpaid but our bottom pair was a massive strength last year and I don't think that was just Samberg carrying the pairing. Now we have Samberg moved up with Pionk, which creates a question mark, and even more question marks on third pair...

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Pionk also had a good year after the trade. He's lost out there now though. His go-to defensive strategy last year was basically: 1. drop stick 2. take holding penalty.

Maybe the Jets should sign me up. I'll gladly do that for league minimum!

 

[voyageur]

I would much rather keep JAD and waive Kupari.

Looks like 4C being handed to Kup again. I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that he does better this year than last. Will at least double his scoring output.

I think the PK is where Kupari has shown he belongs...Strategically that right hand draw that protects Lowry in the faceoff department is something the Jets are looking at. Scheif is not going to be PK1 at this stage of his career. Point totals from last year shouldn't be hard to eclipse.

Not surprised JAD is waived. I look at the Moose forward lineup being on the softer side, a few smaller player with motors, but I think the plan originally was to replace Malott with JAD. Which is an upgrade depth wise. If he clears, I think he'll be back in town, he's ahead of AJF and Toninato, who were the depth guys last year. Waiving him also leaves room for a younger player to get the call.