All Things Pegula 2

[Sabre Dance]

He's literally Jimmy Dolan:

He actively meddles in the affairs of one of his teams (Sabres/Knicks) while not meddling in the other (Bills/Rangers). The one he meddles in has been a catastrophe while the one he doesn't has done very well.

I don’t think that’s true at all. He was right there having conversations with Beane in the draft room. Lately not so much but early on he was. I also don’t think he demands any moves, just gives input.

I know he wanted them to draft Mahomes according to Doug Whaley. McDermott didn’t think they were ready to bring a franchise QB into the organization yet.

 

[5 Minute Major]

You don't understand why the one constant during the drought might be the problem? Then I can't help you.



Beane, from what I understand, does an excellent job of running his own ship and not letting Pegula interfere. That has kept Terry from f***ing up the Bills. Josh Allen's existence is also critical.

He doesn't stay out of the way in hockey, at all. The Eichel drama, the OReilly drama, and there's even b.s. that carries into the present day.

Adams is a yes-man. Every interview he's ever given makes that more and more clear. Terry wants to win, but doesn't want to spend any money to do it. The current Sabres' success plan is to draft, and draft, and draft, and stay cheap, and hope they luck into contention.


Now national media is picking up on this too. 32 Thoughts: The Podcast 'A Heavy Week in Manhattan'. Terry is the biggest part of the problem.

If Pegula wanted to meddle with the Bills he would. He doesn’t because he feels he’s in over his head when it comes to knowledge of the game.

Hockey on the other hand….ugh.

 

[TehDoak]

The following is just yelling into the void, and I acknowledge that.


Terry, being a billionaire doesn't make you adept at anything you do. It boggles my mind that someone can live 70+ years and have zero self-awareness and seemingly no desire to learn.

He shouldn't need to be made to 'feel special' on any GM decisions. He, as the owner, hired the GM. He should feel special about the whole body of work GM succeeds with! The idea that he needs proper handling is why he should sell the Sabres, amongst probably an avalanche of other reasons.

You are 100% correct, richness does not equal adeptness.

But, love him or hate him, Terry made a lot of money and a successful company.

The one thing all rich people (especially ones that opt for a public life like the Pegulas have) is people constantly trying to scam them and get rich/successful off of them. Because of that, they are pretty non trusting. All I was saying is that Beanes experience with a similar 1st generation rich old guy in Carolina prepared him with making the Pegulas feel at ease in a way no management of the Sabres has been able to.

 

[Sabre Dance]

If Pegula wanted to meddle with the Bills he would. He doesn’t because he feels he’s in over his head when it comes to knowledge of the game.

Hockey on the other hand….ugh.

I hate the word meddle. What are examples of him doing that? He’s the owner! He sits in and gives input.

The Bills and Sabres have a consensus opinion.

 

[Ace]

I hate the word meddle. What are examples of him doing that? He’s the owner! He sits in and gives input.

The Bills and Sabres have a consensus opinion.

Im sure that Botterill really wanted to avoid paying that bonus money to RoR and took the best deal on a deadline with no meddling from the only person that affected.

Im also sure that the last two GMs weren’t fired because Pegula didn’t feel in the loop enough. And that he didn’t hire an unqualified puppet who he had doing jobs for him for years already to do as he’s told

I’m sure Adams first plan as GM was to gut the front office completely…and then spend to the floor for years

I’m also sure that LaFontaine is still here and good with the org because he didn’t immediately learn where his position stood where it came to decision making compared to the Pegulas

And then I woke up

The Bills have a consensus opinion between Beane’s staff and McDermott

The Sabres have a consensus opinion between Pegula, his wallet, and whoever will agree with him

 

[Ace]

Let’s make this as clear and simple as possible for the one or two souls on the planet who can somehow give this man the benefit of any doubt.

He doesn’t interfere with the Bills because they make money. If he tried to tell Beane what to do…Beane wouldn’t listen and will force him to fire him…which will make him look like a joke and Beane will be out of work for about three seconds. Beane holds all the cards as long as they win. When the day comes they don’t…get ready for a lot of suffering when Terry thinks he knows ball. Hey maybe that’s Adam’s next job in sports after this one?

He interferes in hockey because he claims they lose money. Which on paper they do…as long as you completely ignore that it has gone up in value five times over since he bought them. And those relocation/expansion payouts that don’t count on the ledger but go directly into his bank account. So he guts the hockey department and installs a joke who won’t treat him like the buffoon he is. Any qualified GM with a shred of self respect wouldn’t do his bidding…so here we are. With GMs that forced him to fire them because they wouldn’t…and Adams who will. He curbs spending on and off the ice…and they continue to be a laughing stock.

Because Terry only cares about money,

 

[TehDoak]

Let’s make this as clear and simple as possible for the one or two souls on the planet who can somehow give this man the benefit of any doubt.

He doesn’t interfere with the Bills because they make money. If he tried to tell Beane what to do…Beane wouldn’t listen and will force him to fire him…which will make him look like a joke and Beane will be out of work for about three seconds. Beane holds all the cards as long as they win. When the day comes they don’t…get ready for a lot of suffering when Terry thinks he knows ball. Hey maybe that’s Adam’s next job in sports after this one?

He interferes in hockey because he claims they lose money. Which on paper they do…as long as you completely ignore that it has gone up in value five times over since he bought them. And those relocation/expansion payouts that don’t count on the ledger but go directly into his bank account. So he guts the hockey department and installs a joke who won’t treat him like the buffoon he is. Any qualified GM with a shred of self respect wouldn’t do his bidding…so here we are. With GMs that forced him to fire them because they wouldn’t…and Adams who will. He curbs spending on and off the ice…and they continue to be a laughing stock.

Because Terry only cares about money,

The idea that they aren’t losing money because the franchise value keeps going up is silly. This isn’t the stock market. The teams are not liquid assets. Any sale has to be approved by 31 other owners.

It’s doubtful that the pegulas could easily move the team if they wanted to. The NHL would want a high valuation to keep the franchise values high. I doubt there is a willing billionaire looking to drop 900M+ on a team that bleeds money in a half full arena that needs a several hundred million overhaul.

The year to year losses are real. The paper gains are unrealized and only will be a thing if they sell.

Not trying to make excuses for a billionaire who make promises of unlimited spending. But the year to year losses have obviously added up.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Im sure that Botterill really wanted to avoid paying that bonus money to RoR and took the best deal on a deadline with no meddling from the only person that affected.

Im also sure that the last two GMs weren’t fired because Pegula didn’t feel in the loop enough. And that he didn’t hire an unqualified puppet who he had doing jobs for him for years already to do as he’s told

I’m sure Adams first plan as GM was to gut the front office completely…and then spend to the floor for years

I’m also sure that LaFontaine is still here and good with the org because he didn’t immediately learn where his position stood where it came to decision making compared to the Pegulas

And then I woke up

The Bills have a consensus opinion between Beane’s staff and McDermott

The Sabres have a consensus opinion between Pegula, his wallet, and whoever will agree with him

Oh goodness. Why even hire a GM, am I right?

I’m not going to counter all this. It’s simply anything bad is Pegula’s fault and anything good is not because of Pegula. Got it.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Oh goodness. Why even hire a GM, am I right?

I’m not going to counter all this. It’s simply anything bad is Pegula’s fault and anything good is not because of Pegula. Got it.

Yeah, it’s just real bad luck that the Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in any full season played since he took over as owner 13 years ago.

Probably would have happened to the Knox brothers as well.

 

[Ace]

Oh goodness. Why even hire a GM, am I right?

I’m not going to counter all this. It’s simply anything bad is Pegula’s fault and anything good is not because of Pegula. Got it.

Tell me what you think happens if Terry Pegula tells Brandon Beane how to do his job.

Please.

I’m dying to see how you think that conversation goes. Beane says yes sir and that’s that? Really? The architect of the most successful period in franchise history…printing Pegula money on a daily basis…with zero reason to give a solitary f*** what this moron thinks? Just do as you’re told? Please. Beane would make this out of touch idiot fire him making himself the laughing stock of TWO leagues and have a new contract as the highest paid GM in the NFL within the hour.

Now tell me why Botterill and Murray were given as long combined as Adams has already gotten.

Can’t wait.

No shit you aren’t going to argue the points.

 

[sabremike]

Yeah, it’s just real bad luck that the Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in any full season played since he took over as owner 13 years ago.

Probably would have happened to the Knox brothers as well.

From 1970 to when Terry purchased the Sabres the team missed the playoffs a grand total of 11 times.

Terry is at 13 (soon to be 14) in a row with no end in sight.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Yeah, it’s just real bad luck that the Sabres haven’t made the playoffs in any full season played since he took over as owner 13 years ago.

Probably would have happened to the Knox brothers as well.

That’s not at all what I’m saying. He deserves criticism for poor hires and a losing franchise.

What I’m saying is it doesn’t make any sense not to give him credit for the Bills success.

 

[May Day 10]

I don’t understand why people don’t give him
credit for the Bills but give blame for the Sabres. It doesn’t make sense to me.

I dont criticize ownership the same way I would criticize a GM. I think he came in and spent a lot of money. It didn’t work and he’s being more patient with building up the organization.

At least that’s how I view what’s happening now. I think they decided to start over a few years ago and build up the organization through the draft.

I typically feel like teams should make the playoffs within 3 years of rebuilding. They traded Reinhart and Eichel in 2021. It’s definitely time to make the playoffs. So my opinion will start to shift. I did believe they would spend more this year. They are spending a little more but not as much as I thought.

It’s definitely time for Pegula to dig into his wallet and pour some money into the Sabres. We’ll see if he does.

If this is true, then why not spend and do better than nobodies like Jeremiah Crowe and Jason Nightingale running the scouting departments? Very pedestrian staff in scouting and development

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

SELL THE TEAM YOU f***ING LOSER!!

 

[La Cosa Nostra]

Honestly just sell it , move it I don’t care anymore them being absolute f***ING GARBAGE for 15 years I don’t even like hockey anymore.

 

[Gabrielor]

Hope everyone is ready for the new Sabres core to get traded off before they do anything, again.

 

[sabresfan129103]

Honestly just sell it , move it I don’t care anymore them being absolute f***ING GARBAGE for 15 years I don’t even like hockey anymore.

Honestly, at this point I don't even think I would really care if they moved the team. I was scared to death of them moving 15 years ago with the Jim Balsillie rumors. Now? eh. I'm just so apathetic about this franchise now. I mean how do you even get excited? It's the same crap year after year after year.

What does it say about your franchise when every star player you've had over the last 10 years you've traded, has won cups and played at a higher level on other teams.

Can't wait until they trade Dahlin and he becomes a perennial Norris winner somewhere else.

 

[CaliSabresfan24]

Sooo... When the f*** is this happening, Terry?

 

[May Day 10]

It's on pegula. He can do the right thing. He can spend some money to make money. He can hire someone with clout to fix his broken organization

Or He can continue to be a selfish, greedy pig.

He is no sabres fan. He has willingly killed the franchise and continues to desecrate the corpse

 

[slip]

Sooo... When the f*** is this happening, Terry?

In his defense, he meant Final Destination

 

[sabremike]

There is absolutely no hope for this franchise until he sells the team or dies.

None.

 

[Ace]

 

[May Day 10]

There is absolutely no hope for this franchise until he sells the team or dies.

None.

I agree. At this point, he isn't going to admit his approach has been wrong. He isn't going to cede control of his phoney flat org structure. It's not going to change.

The next step is kicking adams into a promotion, naming karmanos the gm, keeping everyone else, and appert eventually the head coach. The media will go back into "you can't keep firing everybody" mode for a few years, and about 50% of sabres message board posters will be all hung ho for a few years.

And we will be right back here in 2028 or 2029 wondering what to do. Googling how many years Terry pegula may have left.

 

[Ace]

Effective

Efficient

Economic

 

[Zman5778]

Effective

Efficient

Economic

I dunno. I think there's a real argument that we are hyper-efficient in how ineffective we are.