Kadri might be the be the better player but it doesn't matter if he chooses to be an idiot and get suspended every playoffs
All things Alexander Kerfoot
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keonsbitterness
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You do remember that Dubas had a deal in place that would've traded Kadri to Calgary for Brodie right? Kadri didn't want to waive to go to Calgary and Dubas went with plan B and traded him to the Avs. So if you want to blame someone for the Barrie trade, then Kadri gets part of it because Dubas' first choice was trading for Brodie.
Voodoo Child
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Kadri is unquestionably the superior player, but two suspensions for almost the exact same thing, that’s unforgivable.
I hope he gets his 35-40 million dollar retirement deal, even if I wouldn’t give it to him.
Kerfoot has been great this year and good overall in his tenure. 80 points in 161 games, right at 0.5 PPG, and he plays hard.
+: his deal is very fair with another year of control, he’s fast, great energy, versatile, gets right into it in the corners, he isn’t irresponsible in the Dzone, I suspect he talks a ton of trash (look how often he’s targeted), he has pretty good vision and he can PK.
-: he’s too pass focused (which I get), his shot isn’t very good, he isn’t strong, he isn’t good playing C.
To me he’s in the ‘excellent depth’ tier, you need guys like that, but I think he’s a casualty, and I’ll happily part with some combination of Dermott, Holl, Mrazek or Ritchie before giving up Kerfoot.
I hope he gets his 35-40 million dollar retirement deal, even if I wouldn’t give it to him.
Kerfoot has been great this year and good overall in his tenure. 80 points in 161 games, right at 0.5 PPG, and he plays hard.
+: his deal is very fair with another year of control, he’s fast, great energy, versatile, gets right into it in the corners, he isn’t irresponsible in the Dzone, I suspect he talks a ton of trash (look how often he’s targeted), he has pretty good vision and he can PK.
-: he’s too pass focused (which I get), his shot isn’t very good, he isn’t strong, he isn’t good playing C.
To me he’s in the ‘excellent depth’ tier, you need guys like that, but I think he’s a casualty, and I’ll happily part with some combination of Dermott, Holl, Mrazek or Ritchie before giving up Kerfoot.
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Fogelhund
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Are there really people so [redacted]... who forget, to recall why Kadri was traded? Multiple run-ins with coaches/management, internal suspensions... and then there was the NHL suspensions... The call outs, the bringing in his parents to discuss his lack of discipline and commitment, Shanahan starting to media he need to show maturity.. ... kid traded himself, and given the history, it was amazing we got any value at all. I loved the kid, but it was obvious after the last suspension, that he had just traded himself out of town... we were trying to establish a new locker room identity, and he was consistently a problem. Seriously, if you still are obsessed with this, give your head a shake.
..and damn, Kerfoot has been good this season... and Brodie too.
..and damn, Kerfoot has been good this season... and Brodie too.
All good points. Kadri and Reilly will always be the beginning of the turn around for me.
Loved the way he played, but hated how he was a constant distraction. While Marner gets raked over the coals constantly, Kadri acted far more entitled than Marner has.
Kerfoot is a fine hockey player, and decently priced at 3.5M. Unfortunately, on our team he's that mid-tier player costing us just a bit too much given our cap constraints. I suspect that if Dubas tries to upgrade at F Kerfoot will be the one player who is dealt in return to offset the incoming cap cost of player '?'. While signed through next year, at 27 years of age I'm guessing he's too old to hold great value for a re-building team, he'll be viewed as more of a placeholder. For a team that's hoping, but also hedging, I can see them wanting to acquire him as he is a good player and packaged properly could help us gain a better player at the deadline. Coming from Vancouver, the ball is now in your court Mr. Rutherford 
leafsfan5
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so? Not every player is an elite play driver. The Leafs need a versatile forward who can mesh with our star forwards. Kerfoot does that.
He's also someone whose game elevates in the playoffs
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A lot of players can do that.
Realistically the Leafs could have Evan Rodrigues in that role and wouldn't have missed a beat.
Kerfoot is only name-recognizable because he's on Toronto and because of the trade.
leafsfan5
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Kerfoot plays all 3 positions, is on an elite PK, is one of the leaders in even strength production, has strong chemistry with Nylander and produces at a 60 point pace in the playoffs since coming to TO.
How many players are available who can do all of that for us?
Bomber0104
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Someone like the several dime-a-dozen spare parts that change hands every season.
The Evan Rodrigues type players of the league that the Pens top-six make look like a productive player...
And fool fans like you.
We saw this with Bozak a few years ago too.
leafsfan5
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Oh man, imagine how people like you would act if Dubas entered into the season with Evan Rodrigues as his 2nd line LW instead of Kerfoot. Guys like that are good stories that come out of nowhere. Not people you plan to rely on for numerous roles like we do with Kerfoot
Bomber0104
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And yet they do, year-in year-out whether it's via free-agency or prospect pool tryouts.
A player like Alex Kerfoot isn't hard to replace and I have no idea why this is a controversial take for you to accept.
Really, I don't get it.
leafsfan5
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Because your original post said he's only having this thread since he plays in Toronto with good players. Essentially attempting to devalue his performance this year as nothing more than riding off the stars
Like so what? He's in an ideal spot, developed great chemistry and has exceeded expectations. You can appreciate that while knowing he may not be producing at the same clip in another situation (i.e. Seattle)
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The Leafs were already "relying" on that with some form of Bunting, Mikheyev, Ritchie & Kase.
Let's not forget, going into this season, Kerfoot was the only left winger on the team that one could reasonably call a top 6 winger.
Given their choice for 3rd line C in David Kampf who is offensively inept, they also need / needed a guy who can be a #2 centre if injuries arise.
Somebody compared him to Tyler Bozak -- it's honestly a perfect comparison. I think you give the edge to Bozak because he was better offensively and better on the draws, so could be utilized as more of a full-time offensive centre; but Kerfoot is a very good penalty killer, which if I recall, Bozak didn't do a ton of.
Could the Leafs have gotten Kerfoot's production with less money? yes, they could have taken a risk at that position it was certainly possible. But realistically, lets say they ditch Kerfoot last offseason, it would have meant taking another gamble, and what would they realistically have done with the cap space? Sign Nick Foligno? no thanks!
Sure, they could have had Rodrigues for $1m... but realistically, what were they going to do with that $2.5m extra? and what if Rodrigues at $1m was really Ryan Dzingel at $1.1m? or Darren Helm at $1m? or Mattie Perrault? Cedri Paquette? Nick Bjugstad?
There were 19 forwards signed for between $900k and $1.1m as UFAs this past offseason. As far as points go, they rank:
- Rodrigues (32 in 44)
- Bunting (27 in 40)
- Perry (23 in 45)
- Heinen (18 in 40)
- Ennis (17 in 33)
Another 14 guys with less than that.
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Fogelhund
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Really... please list the number of times Wilson has been INTERNALLY suspended. Please tell me when someone from Washington publicly stated he was immature. Please tell me about Wilson's parents being called to the office. Please tell me about the evidence of his conflicts with management and coaches.
I will sit and wait.
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Has anyone watched Kadri this season? I haven't seen him at all..... Always really liked him, a lot.
I was suspicious of his skating, it wasn't all that great, but he had some nice dangle, really good snarl, pretty good shot.
But the guy has like, what? One of the top three ppg's in the NHL?
How is this possible?
Kerfoot has been a really useful player for us, but surprising there isn't a lot of wringing of the hands over the loss of Kadri on the board.
I was suspicious of his skating, it wasn't all that great, but he had some nice dangle, really good snarl, pretty good shot.
But the guy has like, what? One of the top three ppg's in the NHL?
How is this possible?
Kerfoot has been a really useful player for us, but surprising there isn't a lot of wringing of the hands over the loss of Kadri on the board.
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Kerfoot has been great this year but the trade was terrible.
There really wasn't anything fine about it.
Huh?
Brodie was UFA, it was in all the papers.
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Since this is an all purpose thread and reading "kerfoot is a good guy" in every post is boring, I'll offer up some actual food for thought.
A good 70% of his current points are a product of him maximizing his skillset in the top 6, so the cap hit you can look at for that 2LW spot, given JT and Nylander aren't declining any time soon, range from Bunting to the Sam Bennett area. The Leafs are pretty much a lottery destination for mid-tier wingers when they have available positions in the top 6 with the big 4.
From an asset management point of view it does make sense to use our top 6 as an asset producing factory. You send in a Kerfoot, he gets 60 points, you cash out on his peak season and go find a player with a skillset that has the potential to put up points at 2LW.
Kerfoot has been given chances in the past to gel with the top 6 and failed, is replaceable when in the bottom 6 (he's sort of just there as a meh kinda guy) and his cap hit is 3.5 mil. These factors do make him a sell-high candidate. There are many other Kerfoot/Rodrigues type players out there wanting a shot.
A guy like Bunting is not a sell high candidate in the off season because his skillset is a need even when not putting up points and his cap hit is too amazing. I said the top 6 can be a factory for wingers so just being thorough that I wouldn't sell high on Bunting.
The next Troy Terry might be out there and we'll never know if we don't take risks and consider a sell high turnover in our elite top 6.
A good 70% of his current points are a product of him maximizing his skillset in the top 6, so the cap hit you can look at for that 2LW spot, given JT and Nylander aren't declining any time soon, range from Bunting to the Sam Bennett area. The Leafs are pretty much a lottery destination for mid-tier wingers when they have available positions in the top 6 with the big 4.
From an asset management point of view it does make sense to use our top 6 as an asset producing factory. You send in a Kerfoot, he gets 60 points, you cash out on his peak season and go find a player with a skillset that has the potential to put up points at 2LW.
Kerfoot has been given chances in the past to gel with the top 6 and failed, is replaceable when in the bottom 6 (he's sort of just there as a meh kinda guy) and his cap hit is 3.5 mil. These factors do make him a sell-high candidate. There are many other Kerfoot/Rodrigues type players out there wanting a shot.
A guy like Bunting is not a sell high candidate in the off season because his skillset is a need even when not putting up points and his cap hit is too amazing. I said the top 6 can be a factory for wingers so just being thorough that I wouldn't sell high on Bunting.
The next Troy Terry might be out there and we'll never know if we don't take risks and consider a sell high turnover in our elite top 6.
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