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Is this not a problem? There has been numerous competitions in hockey wherein Canada has gotten the advantage because of the refs (which is why they have won so many competitions)

How can we not expect these refs to be biased in favor of Canada? In other world competitions there would never be the refs of the same country officiating all of the games. It just screams of corruption.
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I'm pretty sure the reason Canada succeeds at hockey is because we do everything we can to stack the deck against the competition. This WCOH is no different. Let's face it, with a real lack of quality players it would be impossible for Canada to win games otherwise. /sarcastica
 
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Balance said:
Is this not a problem? There has been numerous competitions in hockey wherein Canada has gotten the advantage because of the refs (which is why they have won so many competitions)

How can we not expect these refs to be biased in favor of Canada? In other world competitions there would never be the refs of the same country officiating all of the games. It just screams of corruption.
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Excuses much? :laugh:
 
I remember in 2002 prior to the game Don Cherry was asked by Ron MacLean about the referee for the game. It was Bill McCreary I believe, a Canadian. Ron asked if that was a problem and Don responded by saying: "We WILL get the first penalty because as Canadians we will bend over backwards to make sure things are fair." This was true, the Americans did get the first power play. Cherry said in the first intermission that it should be even from here on in, unless McCreary "wants to make the Cup final". In other words, if anything the NHL would have preferred the Americans to win on home ice over Canada.

However, that was a great game and refereeing wasn't an issue.

In 2014 the same thing comes up, a Canadian referee for the gold medal game against Sweden. Does anyone think that had an affect at all? Canada breezed to a 3-0 win and none of it had to do with the refereeing.

So look, take the best guys from the NHL. Take the seasoned ones, the guys that are used to hostile crowds or 7th games in the playoffs. I don't care if the ref was born in Madagascar, if he's the most qualified that is all that matters.

In 1972 Canada had to deal with Joseph Kompalla who was specifically picked against the Canadian games for a reason. We still won, in fact Parise almost clubbing him with his stick might have actually prevented him from throwing the game in favour of the Russians. Who knows? But that was a perfect example of a ref who went out of his way to be bias. When has that happened in Canada's favour? People point to Koharski in the 1987 Canada Cup, but he had some bad calls on both sides let's remember. Canada doesn't need charity in these tournaments.
 
Balance said:
Is this not a problem? There has been numerous competitions in hockey wherein Canada has gotten the advantage because of the refs (which is why they have won so many competitions)

How can we not expect these refs to be biased in favor of Canada? In other world competitions there would never be the refs of the same country officiating all of the games. It just screams of corruption.
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If there were better refs globally making the NHL this wouldn't happen.

That said, claiming Canada has only won because the refs is laughable.
 
I don't think there is too much bias amongst referees in international hockey competitions. It's not like they're Russian figure skating or gymnastics judges. That said there has to be some bias - as these guys are human. It is highly unlikely that a very small amount of bias will have an effect on any game outcomes, but there is always a chance. The difference between victory and defeat can be pretty slim...

Pretty stupid not to have more refs from other countries though. Who had their head in their ass while making that call?
 
Balance said:
Is this not a problem? There has been numerous competitions in hockey wherein Canada has gotten the advantage because of the refs (which is why they have won so many competitions)

How can we not expect these refs to be biased in favor of Canada? In other world competitions there would never be the refs of the same country officiating all of the games. It just screams of corruption.
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Ah yes, the presumption of an officiating problem before a game is even played. Forget that we have decades of proof that a reffing issue is unlikely, might as well blindly assume that it will happen.

Big Phil said:
I remember in 2002 prior to the game Don Cherry was asked by Ron MacLean about the referee for the game. It was Bill McCreary I believe, a Canadian. Ron asked if that was a problem and Don responded by saying: "We WILL get the first penalty because as Canadians we will bend over backwards to make sure things are fair." This was true, the Americans did get the first power play. Cherry said in the first intermission that it should be even from here on in, unless McCreary "wants to make the Cup final". In other words, if anything the NHL would have preferred the Americans to win on home ice over Canada.

However, that was a great game and refereeing wasn't an issue.

In 2014 the same thing comes up, a Canadian referee for the gold medal game against Sweden. Does anyone think that had an affect at all? Canada breezed to a 3-0 win and none of it had to do with the refereeing.

So look, take the best guys from the NHL. Take the seasoned ones, the guys that are used to hostile crowds or 7th games in the playoffs. I don't care if the ref was born in Madagascar, if he's the most qualified that is all that matters.

In 1972 Canada had to deal with Joseph Kompalla who was specifically picked against the Canadian games for a reason. We still won, in fact Parise almost clubbing him with his stick might have actually prevented him from throwing the game in favour of the Russians. Who knows? But that was a perfect example of a ref who went out of his way to be bias. When has that happened in Canada's favour? People point to Koharski in the 1987 Canada Cup, but he had some bad calls on both sides let's remember. Canada doesn't need charity in these tournaments.
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Funny thing is that there were still people complaining about bias in the 2014 Olympic gold medal game after it was played, but when asked to pinpoint instances they simply refuse. Same story in 2010. Same story in 2002. I guess people are consistent at least.
 
Balance said:
Is this not a problem? There has been numerous competitions in hockey wherein Canada has gotten the advantage because of the refs (which is why they have won so many competitions)

How can we not expect these refs to be biased in favor of Canada? In other world competitions there would never be the refs of the same country officiating all of the games. It just screams of corruption.
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I need to see a link please
 
Leo Trollmarov said:
If there were better refs globally making the NHL this wouldn't happen.

That said, claiming Canada has only won because the refs is laughable.
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It's the fact that the NHL is played in North America that keeps European officials away from the NHL, not their lack of skill. Looks like the ratio of NHL refs is about 5 - 1 Canadian - US. Responding to the post about how Canada only wins because of ref bias is laughable. Actually your whole post is laughable.
 
"Which is why they have won so many competitons"

That's bologna. And if you don't know that that's bologna, you should find a new hobby...

Perhaps the best officials, as adjudged by the powers that be, happen to be mostly Canadian. Given that many of the best players happen to be Canadian and the game is very Canadian-centric, this makes very good sense.

The best chance of having a "fair" game is by having the best possible officials. What would be not fair is having an inordinate amount of subpar officials purely on the grounds that players of other nationalities happen to be playing in the tournament. A quota for Slovak officials just because there are a small handful of Slovak players, as an example, is a backwards way of looking at the world.

Complaining about officiating is the unfailing march of fools here, complaining about officiating that didn't happen yet is perverse and it vacates any shred of credibility to the rest of the claim(s)...
 
JackSlater said:
Funny thing is that there were still people complaining about bias in the 2014 Olympic gold medal game after it was played, but when asked to pinpoint instances they simply refuse. Same story in 2010. Same story in 2002. I guess people are consistent at least.
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Yeah, I'd like to have seen those complaints. Canada had the puck the entire game against the Swedes in 2014. I honestly haven't seen questionable officiating since parts of the 1987 Canada Cup. And believe me, Don Koharski hated the NHL players as much as he hated the Soviets.
 
Well, Canadians have always done everything to rigg the competition in their favor.
1987,cough cough:shakehead:shakehead
 
I don't think it'll be a problem competition-wise, but its just another thing that rams home the point that this isn't really an international tournament. It's a Canadian tournament for Canadian consumption. Pointe Finale.
 
Lol at the OP, you pretty much killed any legitimate discussion you were gonna get when you slipped in the whole 'Canada only wins because refs help them' whine.
 
Gert B Frobe said:
It's the fact that the NHL is played in North America that keeps European officials away from the NHL, not their lack of skill. Looks like the ratio of NHL refs is about 5 - 1 Canadian - US. Responding to the post about how Canada only wins because of ref bias is laughable. Actually your whole post is laughable.
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It keeps refs away like it keeps players away... oh wait.
 
Reindl87 said:
Well, Canadians have always done everything to rigg the competition in their favor.
1987,cough cough:shakehead:shakehead
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Can you give some examples? It is getting to the point where people should be running out of ideas for this stuff. Canada won in 1972 in a very hostile environment specifically geared to help them lose. Then 4 out of 5 of the Canada Cups. Then the last 4 out of 5 best on best tournaments. The last two World Championships.................shall we go on? 2014 was in Sochi, Russia. Where was this geared for Canada to win? They win on big ice, they win on small ice. They win at home and on the other side of the globe. It is just me or is it more of a trend that Canada wins because they are usually the best team?
 
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They could be all American, or all Russian, or all Zimbabwean and I wouldn't care as long as they're the most qualified for the job.
 
This in no world cup, we all know it's still the Canada Cup, and like in 87 for instance, we might see some biased officiating. But it's alright, it's part of the game.
 
The refs have something like 15,000 combined games reffed. I don't think the most experienced refs in the world are going to be biased.
 
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