All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XIII - the 23 deadline approaches

[Borsig]

I don't get the meaning of your first paragraph, but there has been all kinds of unsubstantiated allegations of locker room problems for years. Scheifele's and Wheeler's names do come up, but I don't think there's anything tangible and verified.

I have always assumed the cold weather is the number one reason for players not wanting to end up in Winnipeg.

Sorry it's early I was thinking of Nino is all and the talk of Miller being a giant douche sort of made me think about locker room cancers and that there are usually 2 sides to that.

Honesty I'd rather take tda at 50% retained than chycryn. Not that he's available, but I'd rather do that than give up assets for a position we don't need

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Does Miller even bring anything of value? I mean, what can you give for a 30 year old who's had a decline, who u have to pay 8m for? That seems like real desperation.

Schmalyz is lol bad at face offs. I really cringe to think of us paying a high price for a center with a 40% in the dot problem. It's not like you can merge him and Staal or kk into a useful piece. You'd still have to put one of your fo guys on the ice with him for draws. And he's got like 1 hit all year. Against NJ NYR bos? Ugh. Bad.

Miller certainly brings value...short term. He had 32G, 99P just last season and this season, he has 20G this season. He's elite on the PP, decent offensively 5v5 and can play either C or W and is good at FO. He has more PP points over the last 3 seasons than every NHL forward except McDavid, Draisaitl, Rantanen and RNH.

He's not very good defensively though, but that just might be that he hasn't had to play defense in Van and their backend sucks.

the problem with Miller isn't this season, it's the next 7 seasons when his new contract kicks's in. $8M per year, with a NMC for the first 4 years and $24M in signing bonuses.

 

[toastmasterbone]

While we lump our way through the list of players not named Meier, this seems as good a time as any to note that the Merriam Webster word of the day is Ersatz: adj., being a usually artificial and inferior substitute or imitation.

 

[Borsig]

While we lump our way through the list of players not named Meier, this seems as good a time as any to note that the Merriam Webster word of the day is Ersatz: adj., being a usually artificial and inferior substitute or imitation.

In German it mean spare lol

 

[MadeUpName]

Vegas has over $7M in space after putting Stone on LTIR, I believe. It‘s also worthwhile mentioning that Miller’s cap hit this year is $5.25M. His $8M extension kicks in next year

Going for Miller would be quite offbrand, going for Chychrun and/or Schmaltz is 100% on brand. It’ll be interesting to see if they stray from what theyve done in the past this deadline

Vegas if Stone retires could make sense

I read a compelling case for Pittsburgh which would be more fun for the Metro

 

[Borsig]

Is he worth 8m? Seems like a lot for a 30 year old for the next 7 or 8 years. That sounds like a bad contract

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Is he worth 8m? Seems like a lot for a 30 year old for the next 7 or 8 years. That sounds like a bad contract

Agree. It seems to be the antithesis of what the Canes management group has done to date.

Maybe they realize that Carolina isn't going to be a top UFA destination or even a top destination for guys to waive their NMC (Kane) or agree to an extension (Meier) and change their approach and adopt a more short term focus while Aho, Pesce, TT, Skjei, etc.. are still under contract? I don't see it as likely.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Miller smells of a desperation move.

The dude will jack up our chemistry. He scores a ton but he doesn’t do the little things that helps a team win. Funny how Vancouver fans have said this for 2-3 years until its time to trade him and now they want the moon.

 

[Chrispy]

No, a desperation move would be Josh Anderson, who makes more money to score fewer points than Kotkaniemi at age 28. I probably shouldn’t have pointed that out on the trade thread comparing Anderson to Jeannot, though.

I don’t think Miller is a good long term move, but if the Borg feel the window is only now he’s a great short term move if you say damn the future.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

No, a desperation move would be Josh Anderson, who makes more money to score fewer points than Kotkaniemi at age 28. I probably shouldn’t have pointed that out on the trade thread comparing Anderson to Jeannot, though.

I don’t think Miller is a good long term move, but if the Borg feel the window is only now he’s a great short term move if you say damn the future.

Anderson is paid to be a big bodied goal scorer, which he is. Getting assists isnt his game

 

[Chrispy]

Anderson is paid to be a big bodied goal scorer, which he is. Getting assists isnt his game

Then I’d like him to score more than 20 goals.

He’s done it once in his career.

 

[spockBokk]

If they’re sniffing around Vancouver, Boeser or Hoglander is who I hope they’re looking at. Although I have no idea where Hoglander would play, just basing it on their rumored past interest.

On Miller, I don’t see any way acquiring him makes sense outside of pure desperation as has already been said. If he were a rental or even 2-3yrs younger, maybe. But he comes with $56M albatross of a contract that takes him to age 37 and it’s buyout proof. Unless they are paid to take him on, I don’t see any reason they do so, outside of panic.

All the big names up front are gone. All the big names on the back end are pretty much still available. It should be quite an interesting week.

 

[Chrispy]

On Miller, I’m confident Carolina is talking to Vancouver a little, but I doubt it goes anywhere when Vancouver cannot retain on the $8M contract yet.

Come summer, Carolina might call again for retention. And Vancouver will block the the number.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Then I’d like him to score more than 20 goals.

He’s done it once in his career.

Injuries and shortened seasons have prevented him from getting in full seasons for sure. His goals per game in his career is still better than everyone not named Necas, Svech Jarvis and Aho though. Playing on crappy montreal teams doesn’t help either. Not advocating for him due to his injuries but he would at least be a goal scorer for us

 

[Chrispy]

Injuries and shortened seasons have prevented him from getting in full seasons for sure. His goals per game in his career is still better than everyone not named Necas, Svech Jarvis and Aho though. Playing on crappy montreal teams doesn’t help either. Not advocating for him due to his injuries but he would at least be a goal scorer for us

Yeah, but injuries are a major part of Anderson’s package at this point.

He can score from in close, but not from the tub.

of the known options, I like Boeser the most.

 

[moses malone 12]

So, @moses malone 12 , are you upset the Canes didn’t outbid this?

Or is there a price too high?

Price was way too high for Carolina IMO. Granted, 1st round pick is in 2025 but Canes seem to value their draft picks more than TB does. The trade for Tampa makes more sense as he is on an expiring cheap contract and has an opportunity to elevate his game back to 21/22 level. Not sure where he slots on TB.

TB and Boston are formidable. Bolts have quietly had a very good season thus far. Boston's trade for Orlov and Hathaway is a sneaky good one. Both rentals but they make the Bruins better.

 

[Svechhammer]

f*** no on Miller

He doesn't play defense, is extremely overpaid, is already on the wrong side of 30 and had 7 more years on his contract where he already is paid too much

We get him and it'll kneecap us long term. It's a dumb move now and a terrible one long term

 

[moses malone 12]

Yeah, but injuries are a major part of Anderson’s package at this point.

He can score from in close, but not from the tub.

of the known options, I like Boeser the most.

two forwards are in bound via trade. Canes currently have no depth at forward and the AHL roster will not cut it. If you acquire a scoring winger, Jarvis can move to the 4th line and replace Stepan. Other forward might be a center (Henrique) to replace KK.

It's a mess right now.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

we're 2nd in the league, top 5 in scoring and top 10 in PP since black friday, but the sky is falling? oh the narratives are good.

 

[Identity404]

Miller is a big no from me dawg. Only way I see this being done is if the Borg views KK as a mistake and this is a way to dump him (not saying I agree with that)

 

[spockBokk]

f*** no on Miller

He doesn't play defense, is extremely overpaid, is already on the wrong side of 30 and had 7 more years on his contract where he already is paid too much

We get him and it'll kneecap us long term. It's a dumb move now and a terrible one long term

Semantics, but…he doesn’t turn 30 until March 14. He will be on the wrong side of 30 after before the extension kicks in.

Contract aside, he’d be a perfect short term acquisition for what the Canes need. But you don’t just acquire a player, you acquire a contract too, so I don’t see it happening.

 

[Chrispy]

we're 2nd in the league, top 5 in scoring and top 10 in PP since black friday, but the sky is falling? oh the narratives are good.

Finding additions is chaotic at this point as the top targets are gone, but a mess is a bit over the top.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

With Nashville being in sell mode I’d like the Canes to take a run at Duchene. 3 more years after this one at $8m. Real money is less in years 2 and 3 and his M-NTC kicks in after this year. So if Nashville does want to rebuild and move money without being handcuffed then now is the time to do it. Especially since RyJo won’t going anywhere.

Dante Fabbro is another name that has been floated out there by the media as well. With Toronto, Boston, NJ, and NYR all loading up we have to do something.

Need that impact forward for sure but also looks at Boston’s back end now with Orlov. They are air tight. I really like our D core but if we want to go toe to toe we might need to make an addition back there too.

The speculation is that the defense market is a bit flooded and talent can be had for much less than forwards right now.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Miller doesnt even have a deal that would make him attractive to cap floor teams at the end of his deal when he starts to suck.

 

[Dishface]

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