All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[A Star is Burns]

I think O'Reilly the player would be fine. I think O'Reilly's price tag in a trade, unfortunately, will be too high for what he will bring because of the name recognition and the center position premium. I see O'Reilly being this year's Nick Foligno trade that the Leaf's made a few years ago. He'll go for too much and provide too little.

I'm kinda working under the assumption that if we are able to trade for him, the price was more palatable for whatever reason. The fact that I want him and would be thrilled to get him doesn't mean I think it's very likely.

 

[Borsig]

What is it with yalls fetish for old dudes.

No to anyone over like 28

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

What is it with yalls fetish for old dudes.

No to anyone over like 28

I tend to agree. I don't think I'd pass on a deal for an older vet if it's good value and there aren't any other deals to be made for younger guys, but we have a bunch of vets on this team right now. Need some mid/late 20s guys still in their prime. Hard pass on Horvat though, I know many want him. Same with Larkin. I'd honestly be going hard after Laine right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're trying for him. Our past deadline trades all came completely out of left field and I don't think Laine is a great long term fit in Columbus.

 

[Borsig]

I tend to agree. I don't think I'd pass on a deal for an older vet if it's good value and there aren't any other deals to be made for younger guys, but we have a bunch of vets on this team right now. Need some mid/late 20s guys still in their prime. Hard pass on Horvat though, I know many want him. Same with Larkin. I'd honestly be going hard after Laine right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're trying for him. Our past deadline trades all came completely out of left field and I don't think Laine is a great long term fit in Columbus.

Winner winner
I'm not willing to bet 8m on Horvat and one good year. I'd rather spend a little more anf v get the real deal.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I tend to agree. I don't think I'd pass on a deal for an older vet if it's good value and there aren't any other deals to be made for younger guys, but we have a bunch of vets on this team right now. Need some mid/late 20s guys still in their prime. Hard pass on Horvat though, I know many want him. Same with Larkin. I'd honestly be going hard after Laine right now, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're trying for him. Our past deadline trades all came completely out of left field and I don't think Laine is a great long term fit in Columbus.

Keller is more likely with Zona on a we're open for business. Signed for a long time too. Doesnt fit the big physical issue but he is a goal scorer.

 

[Borsig]

What is the deal with Columbus and Laine anyways? Like since gudreau came in, is there something there? Can they not keep both?

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

What is it with yalls fetish for old dudes.

No to anyone over like 28

It’s opinions like this that make the dating game so hard out there for some folks.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

It’s opinions like this that make the dating game so hard out there for some folks.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Didn't Don recently say they prefer a player with term? That pretty much excludes any player nearing or in their mid-30s. Not to mention after Patches I doubt they want to bring in another risky asset which also sort of eliminates the older vet approach. As stated we have vets. We're all stocked up. If that's all they can land I'm sure they'll do that rather than nothing but hopefully we get some yutes.

 

[ONO94]

Didn't Don recently say they prefer a player with term? That pretty much excludes any player nearing or in their mid-30s. Not to mention after Patches I doubt they want to bring in another risky asset which also sort of eliminates the older vet approach. As stated we have vets. We're all stocked up. If that's all they can land I'm sure they'll do that rather than nothing but hopefully we get some yutes.

And I prefer to only drive Ferraris.....but I went to the Honda dealer.

The Canes are not going to get any significant player with term at the deadline because the price would involve roster players and that doesn't happen going into the playoffs for contending teams. In the off-season, sure the trade may happen but not now. The Canes will look for players to fill in gaps--depth, leadership, toughness and hopefully scoring--so those scream older players on expiring deals.

 

[spockBokk]

And I prefer to only drive Ferraris.....but I went to the Honda dealer.

The Canes are not going to get any significant player with term at the deadline because the price would involve roster players and that doesn't happen going into the playoffs for contending teams. In the off-season, sure the trade may happen but not now. The Canes will look for players to fill in gaps--depth, leadership, toughness and hopefully scoring--so those scream older players on expiring deals.

I don’t really agree here.

They found a way a few years ago to get 2.5yrs of Trocheck for Haula and peanuts and 4.5yrs of Skjei for a 1st. Those sort of deals will still be out there - Henrique, Boeser, RFA to be Meier, etc. The question will be what are they willing to give up in terms of futures. With Pacioretty and his $7M probably going to LTIR soon, they’ll have $8.6M to play with which is much more than they had when they brought in Trocheck and Skjei. With that much space, I expect at least one trade for a player that will be here for the playoffs and beyond.

I do agree it’s highly unlikely they move anyone off roster.

 

[DaveG]

And I prefer to only drive Ferraris.....but I went to the Honda dealer.

The Canes are not going to get any significant player with term at the deadline because the price would involve roster players and that doesn't happen going into the playoffs for contending teams. In the off-season, sure the trade may happen but not now. The Canes will look for players to fill in gaps--depth, leadership, toughness and hopefully scoring--so those scream older players on expiring deals.

Depends on what you mean by significant. EP or Laine? yeah no, that's not happening until the offseason if either is moved at all.

But there's other options out there, including Meier who I'd consider to have term (well, one more year of team control) that is very much on the market that would make sense as a move.

 

[ONO94]

I don't mean they won't have a significant impact--but to find a "significant" player, especially a younger one--I just don't see happening. Distressed assets, aging assets--like Tro and Skjei--sure, but the ones other teams want and are willing to give up pretty things for--no.

 

[Negan4Coach]

History agrees with you. I however hope that mgmt. alters their strategy based on prior success of Tampa acquiring the right players for them at the deadline despite the cost. I think this is the year to made the trade(s) that positions them to win the Cup. Trading for Garland and other "asset mgmt" type moves will not do it IMO. Horvat is the guy IMO as the 2C position is one of their weaknessess right now. Statsny is not the answer and Svech has gone cold. Horvat will open things up for his wingers as he is a shooter and will go to the net. Plus he is good on the PP which we need. I have heard Canes are interested in Tarasenko. He is likely dealt unless the Blues go on a heater.

Borg should get Horvat sooner rather than later. Vancouver has garbage prospects so we could offer them attractive pieces plus KK. This trade would send a message to NJ, Boston and NYR that we are serious and likely push the price up on players they are targeting (Meier).

They of course will not do this but one can hope.

I like it, but do you really think any team is going to want KK at this point?

 

[Sigurd]

I don’t really agree here.

They found a way a few years ago to get 2.5yrs of Trocheck for Haula and peanuts and 4.5yrs of Skjei for a 1st. Those sort of deals will still be out there - Henrique, Boeser, RFA to be Meier, etc. The question will be what are they willing to give up in terms of futures. With Pacioretty and his $7M probably going to LTIR soon, they’ll have $8.6M to play with which is much more than they had when they brought in Trocheck and Skjei. With that much space, I expect at least one trade for a player that will be here for the playoffs and beyond.

I do agree it’s highly unlikely they move anyone off roster.

I agree with all of this.

Although the one roster player they might trade at this point if they find any takers is KK; especially if we upgrade with getting a new 2C.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I don't mean they won't have a significant impact--but to find a "significant" player, especially a younger one--I just don't see happening. Distressed assets, aging assets--like Tro and Skjei--sure, but the ones other teams want and are willing to give up pretty things for--no.

The best basket to find players with term and/or youth is often the distressed asset pile. I'm pretty sure that the Canes' main focus this deadline will be on those players. Boeser and Mantha are the two names in that pile of players that most intrigue me due to their size and goal-scoring potential. As far as centers go in the distressed asset category, Mittelstadt in Buffalo has had an under-the-radar decent season after years of instability and stagnation and could be an interesting young center to take a swing on for a relatively low price.

 

[NotOpie]

I agree with all of this.

Although the one roster player they might trade at this point if they find any takers is KK; especially if we upgrade with getting a new 2C.

They're not trading Kotkaniemi unless a young, cost-controlled asset is coming back.

 

[The Faulker 27]

And I prefer to only drive Ferraris.....but I went to the Honda dealer.

The Canes are not going to get any significant player with term at the deadline because the price would involve roster players and that doesn't happen going into the playoffs for contending teams. In the off-season, sure the trade may happen but not now. The Canes will look for players to fill in gaps--depth, leadership, toughness and hopefully scoring--so those scream older players on expiring deals.

A move can absolutely be done without moving roster players. We have prospects for multiple reasons, one being trade chips.

 

[Svechhammer]

I doubt they're going to trade KK anyway. You have to let him play through his mistakes and learn from experience. Chatfield had plenty of issues with his own game early this year, and if we gave up on him like many want us to do with KK, we wouldn't be experiencing the kind of breakout we're seeing from him now.

The kid is still young. He's still growing. The offensive upside on him playing center on that 2nd line is too high to give up on it. You have to accept the mistakes as part of that deal.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I doubt they're going to trade KK anyway. You have to let him play through his mistakes and learn from experience. Chatfield had plenty of issues with his own game early this year, and if we gave up on him like many want us to do with KK, we wouldn't be experiencing the kind of breakout we're seeing from him now.

The kid is still young. He's still growing. The offensive upside on him playing center on that 2nd line is too high to give up on it. You have to accept the mistakes as part of that deal.

I think that KK detractors often overlook that he's younger than Svechnikov by three months. There are plenty of forwards, especially larger ones, who greatly develop between their early-to-mid 20s, and he's already good defensively.

 

[Svechhammer]

I think that KK detractors often overlook that he's younger than Svechnikov by three months. There are plenty of forwards, especially larger ones, who greatly develop between their early-to-mid 20s, and he's already good defensively.

Yep. Game just hasn't really slowed down for him, yet. Which is fine, he's still very young and has plenty of time for that to happen. Once it does, he's the kind of player you'll want on this team

 

[MadeUpName]

I have been thinking more about Logan Couture as the next Trocheck pickup. He is checks a lot of similar boxes.

Veteran #2C that can play all 3 zones. Has some scoring touch. Has term on his contract. Carolina could absorb his whole Cap hit which would keep the cost low. A handful of B assets. Couture has also always been a clutch Playoff performer. Svechnikov-Couture-Necas is a solid 2nd line on a contender.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Uh oh. Another KK debate is looming.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Uh oh. Another KK debate is looming.

I hope it's a good one. Habs fans need something to entertain them this season.

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Uh oh. Another KK debate is looming.

Nah, I'm good with that. I'm simply saying that the organization's MO has been to NOT trade players like him, and there are many reasons why.