All Purpose Trade/Roster Building Thread XII - The UFA frenzy aftermath

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

Also, PLD isn't someone we've discussed as a future possibility. He could be an interesting development.

But PLD is 123% sure to go to Montreal!

 

[Sigurd]

But PLD is 123% sure to go to Montreal!

Bit of a side note, but it's amazing how butt hurt they still are over KK and to a lesser extent, Aho.

They can't move on. Even though they're an irrelevant team, I think they have one of the worst fan bases that rivals even Boston.

So yeah, GoCanes is right that heads would explode if we had Aho, KK, and PLD. At that point, I think Habs fans would have voodoo dolls of Canes players.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I forgot about Henrique being mentioned in this topic. For another center in his 30s, he seems very solid just taking a quick glance at his stats. He's pretty reliable for getting about 20 goals in any roughly full season (including this season).

He seems like a more under the radar acquisition that would be somewhat likely if Carolina strikes out on Horvat. Or another scenario (albeit not exactly likely) is if they actually get Meier, but they also get Henrique too. That'd be wonderful.


Yeah, I haven't seen as great of a need to get a defenseman at the deadline as other people. DeHaan still has a lot of quality to contribute, and Chatfield has really elevated his game since December. That's why I think getting someone just for depth on the 3rd pairing in case of an injury would be fine (and either CDH or Chatfield slot up to the top 4 as they've done with Slavin being injured), and not some of the more coveted defensemen at the deadline. Forwards should 100% be our priority with our better assets and our cap space, and we can trade something like a 3rd round pick and or maybe a mid prospect for a 3rd pairing defenseman.

Also, PLD isn't someone we've discussed as a future possibility. He could be an interesting development.

Chatfield has performed admirably in an elevated role. I think de Haan probably could for a time too. But I think there's a pretty high chance they'd ultimately not hold up in those higher roles in the playoffs by the best of the best teams that see you 4-7 times in a row.

I think we also just kinda know the team will always pursue dmen. That doesn't mean forward shouldn't be the priority but you can see why they might pursue a good defensive option.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Bit of a side note, but it's amazing how butt hurt they still are over KK and to a lesser extent, Aho.

They can't move on. Even though they're an irrelevant team, I think they have one of the worst fan bases that rivals even Boston.

As a side note, a number of posters from this board can't move on either. It's a 2-way street from what I can see.

 

[Svechhammer]

We are breaking the matrix

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I don’t think the odds makers believe in NJ or the Rangers in the playoffs. Boston gets has the 2 hardest opponents in the 2nd round.

In a traditional matchup (today’s standings)
Bos-Pitts
NJ-TB
Car-Was
Toronto-Rangers

Vs the division pod shenanigans
Bos-Pitts
Toronto-TB

Car-Wash
NJ-Rangers

Either way it likely ends up Car-Rag and Bos-TB. Those matchups still hurt boston.

 

[Borsig]

We are breaking the matrix

I have no idea how we have a higher odd than the bruins. They're a better team, and we are in a tougher division come playoff time.

 

[Chrispy]

I have no idea how we have a higher odd than the bruins. They're a better team, and we are in a tougher division come playoff time.

Looks like that is primarily because of Tampa and Toronto, who this model likes more than NJ and NY.

They like Tampa or Toronto's chances more vs Boston than NJ or NY vs Carolina. I don't think I agree but I am also not certain they're wrong.

 

[Borsig]

Looks like that is primarily because of Tampa and Toronto, who this model likes more than NJ and NY.

They like Tampa or Toronto's chances more vs Boston than NJ or NY vs Carolina. I don't think I agree but I am also not certain they're wrong.

NGL, I'd be fine with not facing Boston at all in the playoffs. I hate that team and the rage that comes with losing to them

 

[Sigurd]

NHL Rumors: Hurricanes Making Push for Blue Jackets Winger

Gustav Nyquist is one of the top rental candidates heading into this year’s trade deadline, and interest in his services is starting to skyr...

www.nhltraderumors.me

I don't know about getting him, but I'm assuming he's like a plan C or D, etc. In which case, maybe?

5'11 winger that's 33 with not that impressive of a season IMO? Doesn't excite me.

 

[bleedgreen]

NHL Rumors: Hurricanes Making Push for Blue Jackets Winger

Gustav Nyquist is one of the top rental candidates heading into this year’s trade deadline, and interest in his services is starting to skyr...

www.nhltraderumors.me

I don't know about getting him, but I'm assuming he's like a plan C or D, etc. In which case, maybe?

5'11 winger that's 33 with not that impressive of a season IMO? Doesn't excite me.

Which is why he comes cheaper and falls into our criteria a bit. The big problem is he’s another pass first guy. We’ve got those. If we’re replacing Patches with a winger it really helps if it’s a shooter.

 

[ndp]

Here's a question for everyone, after Horvat, which would you guys prefer, Couture, Towes, or O'Reilly?

Henrique @ 50%

 

[MadeUpName]

NHL Rumors: Hurricanes Making Push for Blue Jackets Winger

Gustav Nyquist is one of the top rental candidates heading into this year’s trade deadline, and interest in his services is starting to skyr...

www.nhltraderumors.me

I don't know about getting him, but I'm assuming he's like a plan C or D, etc. In which case, maybe?

5'11 winger that's 33 with not that impressive of a season IMO? Doesn't excite me.

Nyquist is the exact opposite of the type of player you want to add for the Playoffs. Small, soft and 13 points in his last 30 Playoff games.

Not a Brind'Amour type of player at all.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Nyquist isnt a top rental this year. Who writes this mess? Do they write movie reviews on the commercials too?

 

[moses malone 12]

Since we're talking about Meier again, I wanted to copy and paste two paragraphs from an article posted two days ago because Meier sounds like a Rod Brind'Amour kind of guy (more so the 2nd paragraph):

'Unique' Timo Meier heart of Sharks' offense amid NHL trade rumors

Timo Meier has found himself at the heart of the Sharks' offense despite his name in the NHL trade rumor mill.

www.yahoo.com

"Through your career, you're gonna go through some stuff. There's gonna be some adversity. Had some good seasons and then maybe not so good," Meier acknowledged. "There's sometimes adversities that you face and you gotta find a way to get out of these."

Later on, Meier said:

"You got to be in a good spot mentally and obviously have that confidence, not just saying it, but doing it. Those are things you can get through practicing and working hard and in the gym. That's where I got my confidence, and then obviously, once you go on the ice and you get rewarded and sometimes there's stretches where you don't get bounces, you just got to continue to work," Meier, who's always been known for his off-ice work ethic, said. "I always believe when you put in the work, you're gonna have the result. That's what I'm trying to do and not overthink it."

I think Rod and co. would love this kind of hard working character. Also, at 26, with the career he's had with ups and downs, he'd be a great mentor for our younger guys; think of the slumps our younger guys have and will go through. He brings some of the more intangibles that often are overlooked. He really seems like the complete package on top of him being physical (something not every skilled goal scorer does).

Liked Meier's game last night a lot. Strong on the puck, can skate and plays with a goal scorer type mentality. No idea how defensively aware/active he is.

Flip side is KK. He was awful last night. Slow and still is a lazy skater. he has no acceleration. I also noticed he tends to take short shifts. He went off after a long rush up the ice. Maybe he is not in top physical shape, like an Aho, Necas or Jarvis. Seems to lack energy relative to those guys. anybody else notice this?

 

[Sigurd]

Liked Meier's game last night a lot. Strong on the puck, can skate and plays with a goal scorer type mentality. No idea how defensively aware/active he is.

Flip side is KK. He was awful last night. Slow and still is a lazy skater. he has no acceleration. I also noticed he tends to take short shifts. He went off after a long rush up the ice. Maybe he is not in top physical shape, like an Aho, Necas or Jarvis. Seems to lack energy relative to those guys. anybody else notice this?

Talking about KK's speed, even Tripp last night pointed out that he skated too slow for a good shot on the goalie at one point (it turned into basically nothing). If even Tripp is saying it, since he rarely makes negative comments about our players, there's probably something to it.

Back to potential trade targets, Bennett is one we haven't talked about that could be interesting for 2C:

Florida Panthers' Top Trade Candidate This Season

When the Florida Panthers get healthy, and that will be at some point this season, they are going to be forced to trade a player. Three forw...

www.nhltraderumors.me

Here's a relevant paragraph on Bennett:

"He is their second line centre, but the team has some younger centermen who can fill spots down the middle if he is traded. Anton Lundell is already ready to assume that role and Bennett would clear $4.4 million in cap space for two more seasons. That cap hit will be attractive for contenders as it is more reasonable to fit on their team. Bennett provides a mix of scoring and physicality that is perfect for playoffs as well."

He's 6'1, 26 years old, is signed for 2 more seasons, and seems expendable for Florida based on their prospects. It'd be kind of ironic if our Trocheck replacement is another Florida Panthers player. I think Bennett should be considered with Henrique, etc. in the 2nd tier of (likely available) center men after Horvat for this team.

Nyquist isnt a top rental this year. Who writes this mess? Do they write movie reviews on the commercials too?

Yeah, if he's a top rental this year, there's a very low bar.

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

If we’re trading with CBJ get Laine or Marchenko

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Let’s not be desperate enough to start linking to NHLtraderumors.me.

 

[bleedgreen]

While I don’t find the writing to have any authenticity to it, someone like Nyquist or Henrique makes some sense for us based on the past. We’ve never gone for the big name, despite us always being mentioned as a team showing interest in them. Meier is young enough to be an exception, possibly. There’s still the price of acquisition that we are loathe to pay, and the contract that people are saying is expected to be close to 10 mill.

Does that sound like us? Larkin is likely in a similar piece range. Horvat is probably asking the same.

I think we’re going to get three or four lesser names, though as always I just hope we get the right guy for the job.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

Ready for my hot take?

Based on nothing but my gut feel that we’ve seen stuff like this before, Larkin feels to me like the next Duchene/Johansen/PLD-type who at one point was billed as the big franchise 1C (or at least good 2), traded at or around their big payday, then drastically falls off in the view of the public as their big contract overshadows their acceptable but not gamechanging play.

 

[Sigurd]

While I don’t find the writing to have any authenticity to it, someone like Nyquist or Henrique makes some sense for us based on the past.

Regarding the authenticity of NHLtraderumors.me., I didn't assume their word was the gospel at all. I did think there was a little weight to that Nyquist article since it said according to the Fourth Period, the Carolina Hurricanes are a new team interested in Nyquist.

The one about Bennett is just giving an overview of likely players shopped at the deadline from Florida.

We’ve never gone for the big name, despite us always being mentioned as a team showing interest in them. Meier is young enough to be an exception, possibly. There’s still the price of acquisition that we are loathe to pay, and the contract that people are saying is expected to be close to 10 mill.

Does that sound like us? Larkin is likely in a similar piece range. Horvat is probably asking the same.

I think we’re going to get three or four lesser names, though as always I just hope we get the right guy for the job.

Speaking of Meier's contract, I was just reading this article with quotes from LeBrun where he thinks Meier will ask for 9 million instead of 10 (thus he doesn't state it WILL happen), and the article was linked on the main board:

REPORT: Meier Wants $9 Million a Year?

Does Timo Meier want to join the $9 million dollar club? That’s what Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic said about the San Jose Sharks star on Thursday. Otherwise, the pending RFA is due a $10 million dollar qualifying offer. “If the qualifying offer is scaring teams, know that he won’t come much...

sanjosehockeynow.com

"Does Timo Meier want to join the $9 million dollar club?

That’s what Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic said about the San Jose Sharks star on Thursday. Otherwise, the pending RFA is due a $10 million dollar qualifying offer.

“If the qualifying offer is scaring teams, know that he won’t come much cheaper on an extension,” the insider wrote. “I think the ask on a new contract starts with at least a nine.”

$9 Million is a lot, but he has shown he's worth it. He's a rare level of talent, and at a good age for a long extension. Also, Carolina showed interest in Tkachuk (a winger like Meier, and he's getting paid 9 million) and Eichel. So, they have shown they are willing to pay that much money for the right talent and player.

 

[mikeyfan]

Regarding the authenticity of NHLtraderumors.me., I didn't assume their word was the gospel at all. I did think there was a little weight to that Nyquist article since it said according to the Fourth Period, the Carolina Hurricanes are a new team interested in Nyquist.

The one about Bennett is just giving an overview of likely players shopped at the deadline from Florida.

Speaking of Meier's contract, I was just reading this article with quotes from LeBrun where he thinks Meier will ask for 9 million instead of 10 (thus he doesn't state it WILL happen), and the article was linked on the main board:

REPORT: Meier Wants $9 Million a Year?

Does Timo Meier want to join the $9 million dollar club? That’s what Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic said about the San Jose Sharks star on Thursday. Otherwise, the pending RFA is due a $10 million dollar qualifying offer. “If the qualifying offer is scaring teams, know that he won’t come much...

sanjosehockeynow.com

"Does Timo Meier want to join the $9 million dollar club?

That’s what Pierre LeBrun of The Athletic said about the San Jose Sharks star on Thursday. Otherwise, the pending RFA is due a $10 million dollar qualifying offer.

“If the qualifying offer is scaring teams, know that he won’t come much cheaper on an extension,” the insider wrote. “I think the ask on a new contract starts with at least a nine.”

$9 Million is a lot, but he has shown he's worth it. He's a rare level of talent, and at a good age for a long extension. Also, Carolina showed interest in Tkachuk (a winger like Meier, and he's getting paid 9 million) and Eichel. So, they have shown they are willing to pay that much money for the right talent and player.

If the Bally Bust doesn’t happen the signing Timo to 9 mil a year leaves room to resign,next season,Aho to 10 x 8 Necas at 7 x 8 Pesce and Skjei at 6.5 with money left over

 

[mikeyfan]

Speaking of the “Bally Bust” which could set the Cap back, how many teams are going to be cautious about long term high dollar contracts?

 

[MinJaBen]

I like the idea of Bennett as a center pickup. Good cap hit and enough skill to go between Svech and Necas. After Meier, I also like @TheRillestPaulFenton ’s idea of Crouse from Arizona as a winger acquisition if he was at all available. Bennett and Meier/Crouse would be non-rentals, have good to great skill, and all play physically. And if it were Bennett and Crouse, they would fit nicely in our cap structure as well.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Bennett would be an off-season acquisition. Florida will not be motivated to sell at the deadline unless they can hockey trade for cheaper replacements