All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread pt 6 - let the waiting game commence

[Big Daddy Cane]

This sounds more and more like a nothingburger the further LeBrun expands on it.

I'm intrigued by who these other targets are. Russo linked them to Zucker at the deadline and recently; the team doesn't have the goods to make a hockey trade for him, however. Tampa has trade clauses kicking on both Miller and Gourde that they may want to get in front of. The 2020 UFA class has some interesting names. Haula is a such a good fit positionally and contractually that I'd be surprised if the Canes weren't in on him, if made available. Same goes for Eakin to an extent. Less sure that he ends up in play, but Pageau is in that same cluster. Toffoli is coming off a rough season; perhaps the Kings opt to put him play now rather than the deadline to get the assets in the system earlier. Kreider works too, although I expect that market to be stronger than the rest.

 

[Brock Anton]

Yeah, that definitely sounds like a 'Dubas offered Kapanen and Brown for Pesce and Waddell said no' type deal then there actually being 'discussions' about it.

 

[NotOpie]

It was my understanding Bean actually felt more comfortable playing his off hand

Because he probably needs to get used to playing on his preferred side before you thrust him into playing on his off side. It's not the same thing as an experienced guy like Pesce going over to his off side.

Maybe that's just me though.

Because it doesn't work well for a lot of players? TVR was ATROCIOUS on his off side the first half of the year, put back on his natural side he was miles better. I don't want to assume any player can do it, let alone one that isn't established in the NHL to begin with

Now I'm not sure what thread this should go in....

Anyway, I agree that players are often too inexperienced or too uncomfortable or just plain bad playing on their off side. What my point was is that that's not necessarily a hard and fast rule. Teams often had two lefties or two righties playing in a pairing....it really wasn't until Babcock and his devotees like Peters that it seems to become a do or die issue.

I understand that guys like Bean haven't even cracked an NHL line up; he was just an example. I remember that TVR and Michal Jordan before him absolutely sucked on their off side. It just isn't something that should be considered ironclad.

 

[DaveG]

With Marleau likely staying and Marner waiting for an offer sheet, Toronto is going to be under some pressure. If they really want Pesce, I’d offer them Pesce, Gauthier, and our 1st for Nylander and Kapanen. Gives them the defender they need and clears enough cap space for them to sign Marner. We get a 2C in Nylander and a right shooting winger with speed.

That's a lot more generous than what I'd offer. I'd say "you want him this badly? The price is Nylander and Kapanen for Pesce, straight up"

 

[sheriff bart]

That's a lot more generous than what I'd offer. I'd say "you want him this badly? The price is Nylander and Kapanen for Pesce, straight up"

Nylander and Kapanen would fix a lot of the forward issues for the Canes, and would push a couple of guys down and improve multiple lines. It would be an interesting move

 

[GoldiFox]

Toronto wrote that Nylander contract for Carolina. There is no better bargain hunting found in recent contracts than paying Nylander just $700k to play next year and average under $5 million per year for the next 5 years. I heard Waddell say last year that he thought Nylander was an Aho-level talent. I'd guess the brain trust would be pretty stoked to get Aho under contract for $4.94 million x 5 years.

 

[bleedgreen]

Nylander and Kapanen would fix a lot of the forward issues for the Canes, and would push a couple of guys down and improve multiple lines. It would be an interesting move

I agree, though I’d rather give them Faulk, a first and half of Charlotte over Pesce.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

I'm a bit surprised that more aren't bullish on Foegele going into next season, after the playoff run he just had. Seemingly a lot of these mock lineups have him almost chained to the 4th line without much of an opportunity to move up, even if his play warrants it.

 

[BrindAmours Army]

Toronto wrote that Nylander contract for Carolina. There is no better bargain hunting found in recent contracts than paying Nylander just $700k to play next year and average under $5 million per year for the next 5 years. I heard Waddell say last year that he thought Nylander was an Aho-level talent. I'd guess the brain trust would be pretty stoked to get Aho under contract for $4.94 million x 5 years.

Waddell trading Aho for Nylander: Confirmed

 

[MinJaBen]

I'm a bit surprised that more aren't bullish on Foegele going into next season, after the playoff run he just had. Seemingly a lot of these mock lineups have him almost chained to the 4th line without much of an opportunity to move up, even if his play warrants it.

Yeah, that has surprised me as well. His play has been so good that I think he has pushed McGinn off the team. I think McGinn will be asking for too much relative to what Foegele brings and that spot will be opened for a guy from Charlotte to step up.

 

[GoldiFox]

I'm a bit surprised that more aren't bullish on Foegele going into next season, after the playoff run he just had. Seemingly a lot of these mock lineups have him almost chained to the 4th line without much of an opportunity to move up, even if his play warrants it.

Foegele led the team (tied with TT/Aho/Slavin) in 5v5 points during the Playoffs with 5 goals and 8 points. Foegele's 5v5 scoring rate (2.67 P/60) was actually #3 among all Conference Finals teams behind only Timo Meier (2.70 P/60) and Jaden Schwartz (2.69 P/60) - two players who received a ton of praise as Playoff standouts. Foegele scored at a higher 5v5 pace than Mikko Rantanen, Tyler Seguin, Matt Duchene, ROR, Mark Scheifele, etc.

He played significantly better than Nino (1.06 5v5 P/60) did by nearly every measure.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Foegele is great and he is also a head scratcher. They kid has a ton of energy but then he tries to take on the world by himself. He has caused issues because he tries to score instead of responsibly dumping the puck on a change. The guys are stuck in purgatory because Foegele gave up possession. Just one example.

I’d be happy with him being on Staal’s left with McGinn on his right. 3rd line is about it

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Yeah, that has surprised me as well. His play has been so good that I think he has pushed McGinn off the team. I think McGinn will be asking for too much relative to what Foegele brings and that spot will be opened for a guy from Charlotte to step up.

My preference is a center acquisition to push Wallmark down and leave a spot in the Top 9 on the wing open for internal competition. If Foegele proves to be an inconsistent player instead of just an inconsistent rookie, Martinook, who has grown on me as a utility presence in the Top 9, is behind him to play those minutes.

 

[A Star is Burns]

Foegele wasn't great for like 60 games last year in the regular season. Perhaps some think that trumps a hot run in the playoffs.

 

[GoldiFox]

Foegele wasn't great for like 60 games last year in the regular season. Perhaps some think that trumps a hot run in the playoffs.

On the other hand Foegele played ~830 minutes 5v5 last year and spent very limited time with Aho (52 minutes), TT (46), Svechnikov (11), Ferland (9), and Nino (3). Svechnikov wasn't that great for like 60 games last year either but it was largely because he was a Rookie playing with the same 4th line talent that Foegele was.

Certainly Foegele wasn't creating his own offense and that is on him. But I see his game as an agent of chaos, not a playmaker. He would need talent around him to produce just as Nino or Ferland need talent.

 

[Ole Gil]

Foegele creates his own offense, he just didn't finish much. Svech had the same problem. They beat the dman 1v1, get to the front of the net, and then can't beat the goalies.

It's why Foegele drew so many penalties. Now will he ever learn to finish at the NHL level? That's to be seen, but I think he could easily make a nice little jump next season. Just like I expect Svech to make a huge jump.

 

[A Star is Burns]

On the other hand Foegele played ~830 minutes 5v5 last year and spent very limited time with Aho (52 minutes), TT (46), Svechnikov (11), Ferland (9), and Nino (3). Svechnikov wasn't that great for like 60 games last year either but it was largely because he was a Rookie playing with the same 4th line talent that Foegele was.

Certainly Foegele wasn't creating his own offense and that is on him. But I see his game as an agent of chaos, not a playmaker. He would need talent around him to produce just as Nino or Ferland need talent.

I didn't think he even looked good or like an agent of chaos during his down time. If we're not in a position to move him up lines, he needs to be able to bring that, and I thought it was lacking most of the year. It was hopefully just youth and lack of confidence. All I'm saying is I can understand not projecting him high in the lineup off of a good playoff run when he could just be Smith-Pelly or many other playoff heroes that are inconsistent otherwise. He'll get chances, but I hope our lineup is good enough he sees mostly 3rd/4th line action.

Svech certainly had down times, but looked more dangerous during them (not unexpected).

 

[GoldiFox]

I didn't think he even looked good or like an agent of chaos during his down time. If we're not in a position to move him up lines, he needs to be able to bring that, and I thought it was lacking most of the year. It was hopefully just youth and lack of confidence. All I'm saying is I can understand not projecting him high in the lineup off of a good playoff run when he could just be Smith-Pelly or many other playoff heroes that are inconsistent otherwise. He'll get chances, but I hope our lineup is good enough he sees mostly 3rd/4th line action.

Svech certainly had down times, but looked more dangerous during them (not unexpected).

The question wasn't whether or not Foegele should be projected "high in the lineup off of a good playoff run". Foegele was being left off rosters or being included as the 13th forward. The question was whether or not he is a 4th liner or if his Playoff success earned him a shot to be anything more.

 

[My Special Purpose]

But I see his game as an agent of chaos, not a playmaker.

That is the very definition of a bottom six forward.

The question wasn't whether or not Foegele should be projected "high in the lineup off of a good playoff run". Foegele was being left off rosters or being included as the 13th forward. The question was whether or not he is a 4th liner or if his Playoff success earned him a shot to be anything more.

I think we're all thrilled by what we saw of Foegele in the playoffs, but like other role guys who had hot runs in the playoffs (see Pisani, Fernando, Kuraly, Sean or Smith-Pelley, Devante), it doesn't necessarily mean he's headed for bigger or better, only that his game translated really well to the playoff grind.

I think Foegele will be in our bottom six for a long time, and as long as he is, his style will be sort of an organizational touchstone. He plays the way we want everyone to play, regardless of skill. But if Foegele is regularly in our top six, I think we're in trouble. However, due to injuries or periodic ineffectiveness, it won't kill us to line him up on a scoring line for a few games at a time.

 

[The Old Master]

rumors in the burgh have jr talking to waddell about letang…. not sure we are the best trading partners and the site insidepittsburghsports.com/is not very reliable. have you guy's hear anything? if so what would you offer?

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

rumors in the burgh have jr talking to waddell about letang…. not sure we are the best trading partners and the site insidepittsburghsports.com/is not very reliable. have you guy's hear anything? if so what would you offer?

LMAO, is this some kind of joke about the Canes' fetish for RHD? The only way that a Letang trade would make any sort of sense for the Canes is if Waddell wants to parlay pending UFA Faulk into another RHD with multiple years left. Of course, Letang is very good, but I just don't see a fit with the Canes.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

rumors in the burgh have jr talking to waddell about letang…. not sure we are the best trading partners and the site insidepittsburghsports.com/is not very reliable. have you guy's hear anything? if so what would you offer?

Faulk and Wallmark for Letang and Malkin is what I heard - pretty much a done deal

 

[GoldiFox]

rumors in the burgh have jr talking to waddell about letang…. not sure we are the best trading partners and the site insidepittsburghsports.com/is not very reliable. have you guy's hear anything? if so what would you offer?

I'd add to Faulk for Letang. As crazy as it sounds to be adding a RHD, at least Letang would be a massive PP upgrade.

Faulk + #28 for Letang

 

[TheReelChuckFletcher]

I'd add to Faulk for Letang. As crazy as it sounds to be adding a RHD, at least Letang would be a massive PP upgrade.

Faulk + #28 for Letang

TBH, I'd actually do that deal. Letang/Dougie/Pesce/TVR would be the most absurd RHD group in the NHL, and the former three would be locked in for multiple years.

 

[TheBigKahuna]

rumors in the burgh have jr talking to waddell about letang…. not sure we are the best trading partners and the site insidepittsburghsports.com/is not very reliable. have you guy's hear anything? if so what would you offer?

What would we offer for Letang?

Nothing.

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