All Purpose Trade / Roster Building Thread Part 5: The Jerk Store Called - It's Time to Restock

[GoldiFox]

How did I miss rumors of Pesce demanding a trade? What was the source on that?

Friedman - confirmed by Waddell:

31 Thoughts: Why navigating Phil Kessel trade won't be easy for Penguins - Sportsnet.ca

5. After the Hurricanes were eliminated, a couple of sources indicated there was some in-season frustration from Brett Pesce that might force a trade. Waddell confirmed that was true, but is no longer a concern. From the start of the season through December, Pesce was seventh on the team in ice-time, down 1:31 per night from his 2017-18 average. From New Year’s Day on, he jumped to 21:20, behind only Slavin and Justin Faulk. (His playoff number was 23:06, also third). Crisis averted. Good news for Carolina, he’s a good player. If there is a defenceman who might get moved, it is Haydn Fleury. No longer waiver-eligible, he needs a place to play.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Friedman - confirmed by Waddell:

31 Thoughts: Why navigating Phil Kessel trade won't be easy for Penguins - Sportsnet.ca

Damn, I know I was away for a bit but surprised I missed that. Thanks.

 

[spockBokk]

Thinking about the UFA Fwd crop this year and the trade deadline rumblings that CAR tried to snag Dzingel from OTT before CLB said all the rentals are ours, I wonder if there’s still interest from the braintrust in Dzingel if he makes it to UFA?

I seem to recall LeBrun reporting something to the effect that CAR was willing to pay up for him but wanted to be sure they could extend him. He seems like a guy that could provide some secondary scoring for under $5M a year I’d imagine. And maybe he could play C in a pinch?

Edit-found the tweet I was referring to:

 

[WreckingCrew]

Thinking about the UFA Fwd crop this year and the trade deadline rumblings that CAR tried to snag Dzingel from OTT before CLB said all the rentals are ours, I wonder if there’s still interest from the braintrust in Dzingel if he makes it to UFA?

I seem to recall LeBrun reporting something to the effect that CAR was willing to pay up for him but wanted to be sure they could extend him. He seems like a guy that could provide some secondary scoring for under $5M a year I’d imagine. And maybe he could play C in a pinch?

Edit-found the tweet I was referring to:

I wonder if Columbus would entertain a Ferland for Dzingel trade for each team to have exclusive negotiating rights until UFA? (unless CBJ is still trying to resign him)

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Despite the healthy scratch in the postseason, Dzingel is going to get term and possibly some trade protection too coming off a 26 goal regular season. They'll have to commit to him as a core type piece, probably as the mid-term Williams replacement. Is he that type of fit for this roster moving forward? Not a rhetorical question.

With the talent in Charlotte and Svechnikov's extension on the horizon, a mid to long-term miss may end up really hurting the organization in the future.

 

[ookhaab]

Looks like Dzingel rocked really high oiSh% this season with 11.4. It's likely he will regress back to 45ish points but he should definitely still be able to score 20+ goals.

As long as he'd cost under 5m/year, I would be fine with it. 4m would be a steal and I'm afraid some team will pony up around 6m for him, hopefully not us.

 

[HisIceness]

We'd have to give up more than non-divisional teams but any interest here, or is this guy headed for 'bust' status?

 

[A Star is Burns]

I don't think he'll be a bust really. I do think he might take a few more years to really bloom, so I'd probably pass given they'll probably ask a hefty price, in or out of division.

 

[bleedgreen]

A righty center always should draw interest from us, I just don’t know that we have the right pieces to make it work. They don’t need defense.

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

I feel that we got the better Wheat Kings center in the 3rd round.

 

[CandyCanes]

I don't think he'll be a bust really. I do think he might take a few more years to really bloom, so I'd probably pass given they'll probably ask a hefty price, in or out of division.

My guess is he tracts like Sam Reinhart has.

 

[emptyNedder]

My guess is he tracts like Sam Reinhart has.

Or the other Flyers center--Couturier. It is not unusual for players to disappoint until their 23/24 year-old season.

 

[NotOpie]

• Marleau has already said he wants to be traded to a west coast team. After his bonus is paid, he only makes $1.25M next year in salary. They purposely structured the contract so that he'd be more movable in the final year. They may have to attach a small asset to him, but so what if they do.

• After his bonus, Zaitsev will only cost $3.9M / year (average) for the remainder of his contract. I think some team in need of a RHD will take him on and it won't cost the Leafs much to move him.

All good points, but I respectfully hold another opinion or two (yes, I know that's shocking). While Marleau's actual salary makes a difference to budget teams, competitive teams, which make up the group he's more likely to waive his NMC for, care about that $6 million cap hit. In my opinion a real asset is going to have to go the other way to make that work. My whole point wasn't that it was impossible, just that painful decisions were going to have to be made with regard to moving the roster in Toronto.

BBA, I know the Leafs are like your 2nd or 3rd team that you watch, but despite what Kev's contentions are, I watched a good deal of Zaitsev this season. He's just not good. He's an average skater. He's lost the majority of his confidence when it comes to moving the puck out of his zone (as Bleed noticed as well). He regularly gets beat in board battles and seems to have difficulty keeping players to the outside. I'm not sure the difference between $4.5 million and $3.9 million is germane to the argument that an acquiring team is carrying an egregious cap hit for 5 more years. Sure, there are examples of bad contracts getting moved. Maybe Toronto can move the toxic waste that is Zaitsev's deal....my point is I don't want us to sniff anywhere around it.

Also, if CapFriendly is correct, Zaitsev gets a $3 million bonus this year and then $2.5 million in each of the final two years of his deal.

I think a Faulk for Kapanen and Marleau, then we retain 50% and ship him to an interested West Coast team could work for everyone.

The cost of eating Marleau's contract, even if you're hoping to flip him is more than the difference between Faulk and Kapanen. I've held that a Faulk for Kappy deal would still require the Leafs to add.

Signing Aho, Williams, a goalie or two and filling in the roster is already going to have them in the $75m range.

Yup, my guess is that the internal budget is between $73 million and $75 million. It all works if Aho gets the suspected $9.5 million, Williams signs in the $4 million range and we spend $4 million to $5 million on goalies (assuming a Darling buy out).

I think we need to add a 45 to 55 point scorer. That's going to cost $6 million or so. That all works in the budget above IF we move Justin Faulk.

If it’s a ufa I would think it would fall in the DeHaan territory, the second or third wave. Maybe a guy like Brassard? Donskoi.

I think you're one tier too low. Low end could be a guy like Connolly and high end maybe somebody like Karlsson or Saad.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

Tokarski played pretty well for Montreal when he had a shot.

Pretty good pedigree and has been lights out since Charlotte acquired him.

Could he be a late bloomer like Mac?

 

[Canes]

It's hard to say with goalies. Tokarski hasn't had a lot of games in the NHL compared to McElhinney at the same age. Mac had about twice the game experience at the same age and played in a slightly higher scoring era so it's hard to cross compare their stats. Tokarski has played well with the Checkers but other than that he looks like he'll continue to be AHL journeyman. I don't think any NHL team would be comfortable with him in a backup role or even as #3 stashed in the minors.

 

[MinJaBen]

Didn't see this posted from LeBrun on Saturday:

• Justin Faulk has one year remaining on his contract and I hear the Hurricanes have already reached out to his camp, led by agent Brian Bartlett, to see if there’s any interest in entering negotiations on an extension this summer. I do believe Faulk has some interest in doing that so we’ll see where it goes. Speaking of the Hurricanes, word is Carolina might be willing to keep all three of their right-handed stud blueliners, depending on how the offseason market plays out. In other words, they’re no longer adamant about needing to move one. But obviously if a team stepped up with an intriguing offer, they would listen. Despite the change in thinking, if Faulk does sign an extension, I would assume he would make sure to have a no-trade clause in his deal.

From theAthletic.

 

[Big Daddy Cane]

Hopefully that stops the Kapanen/Johnsson (+ Zaitsev recently) for Hamilton/Pesce nonsense LeBrun has been pushing for the last 6 months.

 

[MinJaBen]

Hopefully that stops the Kapanen/Johnsson (+ Zaitsev recently) for Hamilton/Pesce nonsense LeBrun has been pushing for the last 6 months.

Well there is still Nylander and Kadri....we won't get off that easy.

 

[Tryamw]

Hopefully that stops the Kapanen/Johnsson (+ Zaitsev recently) for Hamilton/Pesce nonsense LeBrun has been pushing for the last 6 months.

You've got some high hopes..

 

[Ahoy there]

I'm missing the logic of keeping all RHD. We need more scoring and depth down the middle and we have NHL ready prospects who will be much more cap friendly. Do we not expect to resign Hamilton? I'm not a Faulk hater and recognize he had a nice rebound year, but I don't care to see him extended either.

 

[WreckingCrew]

I'm missing the logic of keeping all RHD. We need more scoring and depth down the middle and we have NHL ready prospects who will be much more cap friendly. Do we not expect to resign Hamilton? I'm not a Faulk hater and recognize he had a nice rebound year, but I don't care to see him extended either.

Give him a NTC and it's a future anchor contract if it's more than a couple years

 

[Chrispy]

I'm missing the logic of keeping all RHD. We need more scoring and depth down the middle and we have NHL ready prospects who will be much more cap friendly. Do we not expect to resign Hamilton? I'm not a Faulk hater and recognize he had a nice rebound year, but I don't care to see him extended either.

The surgeries probably play a role here. This could be the opening night pairings:
Slavin-Hamilton
Pesce-Faulk
Bean/Fleury/McKeown

if TVR and deHaan are both still rehabbing at the start of the season. With that potential lineup I understand not wanting to deal a RHD right now.

As the season progresses, I think it's likely we see TVR moved as a rental if Faulk is re-signed.

As far as Faulk vs Hamilton, one theory is if Faulk can be signed for a reasonable # now, that gives Carolina more leverage in negotiating with Hamilton.

That said, I think the talks with Faulk will quickly reach the point where Carolina decides his price range is higher than they want and we see a move around the draft or early July.

 

[GoldiFox]

I wouldn't want to pay Faulk more than De Haan's $4.5 million. For me that is what solid 2nd pairing guys should be making. I'd guess that he gets closer to $6-7 million. It is hard to imagine Faulk being the highest paid D on the team by $1+ million but Rod loves him so I'm mentally prepared for the worst.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I wouldn't want to pay Faulk more than De Haan's $4.5 million. For me that is what solid 2nd pairing guys should be making. I'd guess that he gets closer to $6-7 million. It is hard to imagine Faulk being the highest paid D on the team by $1+ million but Rod loves him so I'm mentally prepared for the worst.

When you've got your guys locked in long-term at great deals this is inevitable at some point.

If the Slavin and Pesce deals are steals now it's crazy what they'll be in a few years.

 

[A Star is Burns]

I wouldn't want to pay Faulk more than De Haan's $4.5 million. For me that is what solid 2nd pairing guys should be making. I'd guess that he gets closer to $6-7 million. It is hard to imagine Faulk being the highest paid D on the team by $1+ million but Rod loves him so I'm mentally prepared for the worst.

Yep. Unfortunately, I'm expecting 4-5 x $6 million for Faulk if they make it happen. Not what I would do, but we'll see how it plays out.