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Yeah you’re nitpicking, I used the most generic statement I could think of. Use whatever statement you prefer that indicates some level of player movement is conceivable.
All purpose trade/roster building thread part 12
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So maybe I nitpicked. As a general rule I think every off season every franchise is looking at possible roster moves. No need to even say that.
And unless there is a glaring need such as post Darling where there was a huge flashing neon sign on top of PNC saying 'GOALIE NEEDED. HELP!' I just don't see any benefit to announcing your game plan ahead of time.
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my supposition is that the organization believes in investing in high skill forwards as difference makers and have a pretty neutral relationship regarding defensive defensemen and goaltending. i think the reason donnie was vague regarding the composition of the defense is because they want to see what's out there before burning any bridges as it pertains to who among these unrestricted defenders we're going to try to keep.
calgary has been reportedly shopping johnny gaudreau and that move could be a match made in heaven for this team. with the lindholm/hanifin swap being pretty win/win, i doubt either party would have trouble coming back to the table. it's going to hurt when you hear it, but what about brock mcginn and brett pesce for gaudreau? that move would be approaching cap neutral and gaudreau is locked up a couple more years. i don't know how that impacts the composition up front, but any time you can add a guy who can challenge for the century mark you're probably not going to worry too much about slotting. as soon as the deal is announced, you take your 3 year offer to edmundson in the $3.5-4 range and check his temperature. if you get rebuffed, it isn't the end of the world because i feel like skjei is due to crack the top 4 at some point. you don't give up a first round pick for a guy you want in your bottom pair. plus, we have 2 of the top 100 prospects in hockey on defense (if you believe scott wheeler) in honka and bean that in the latter case need to be playing nhl shifts yesterday. my sneaking supposition is that honka might have the outside shot of making this team next season. that's not based on any inside information, but word on the street is that he has been climbing the ladder pretty quickly. they've identified his style of player as a need and it would be very, very nice to be able to work an entry level deal into the lineup in a few spots. curious to me if nino is being considered for a buyout.
but my main thought regarding gaudreau is that the impotence of our powerplay has derailed us two straight seasons in the post season. we're not a team that people are super afraid of taking penalties against, but gaudreau would change that immediately. if we could get him to embrace a ray whitney type role with this team, he could be the win now piece that we've been missing while still being relatively young. morgan geekie might end up being our right shooting guy that we ask to step in for williams in a slotting sense.
calgary has been reportedly shopping johnny gaudreau and that move could be a match made in heaven for this team. with the lindholm/hanifin swap being pretty win/win, i doubt either party would have trouble coming back to the table. it's going to hurt when you hear it, but what about brock mcginn and brett pesce for gaudreau? that move would be approaching cap neutral and gaudreau is locked up a couple more years. i don't know how that impacts the composition up front, but any time you can add a guy who can challenge for the century mark you're probably not going to worry too much about slotting. as soon as the deal is announced, you take your 3 year offer to edmundson in the $3.5-4 range and check his temperature. if you get rebuffed, it isn't the end of the world because i feel like skjei is due to crack the top 4 at some point. you don't give up a first round pick for a guy you want in your bottom pair. plus, we have 2 of the top 100 prospects in hockey on defense (if you believe scott wheeler) in honka and bean that in the latter case need to be playing nhl shifts yesterday. my sneaking supposition is that honka might have the outside shot of making this team next season. that's not based on any inside information, but word on the street is that he has been climbing the ladder pretty quickly. they've identified his style of player as a need and it would be very, very nice to be able to work an entry level deal into the lineup in a few spots. curious to me if nino is being considered for a buyout.
but my main thought regarding gaudreau is that the impotence of our powerplay has derailed us two straight seasons in the post season. we're not a team that people are super afraid of taking penalties against, but gaudreau would change that immediately. if we could get him to embrace a ray whitney type role with this team, he could be the win now piece that we've been missing while still being relatively young. morgan geekie might end up being our right shooting guy that we ask to step in for williams in a slotting sense.
First, I wouldn't consider that trade without knowing where we stood with Dougie. If Dougie is signed, I could see us entertaining a move of Pesce (for JonnyHockey or Nylander or who knows). But without Dougie dealt with, that would be hard to swallow.
Secondly, why would anyone think JonnyHockey is the answer to anything playoff related? Guy just disappears in the playoffs.
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i think he is, and always has been, a poor fit for the flames and the way they want to play. especially in the postseason. our approach is different in that regard in the sense that we try not to get infatuated with conflating effort and physicality and just putting guys out that are insistent but not necessarily physical if that makes sense. brind'amour is good at getting guys to play hard but more importantly, to play as hard as they can in the ways in which they are impacting players. asking gaudreau to give up the body might not be your best play, but if he can come somewhere that his scoring isn't so heavily relied upon he might play a bit looser and more to his strengths. at least, that's my supposition. admittedly, i largely think that playoff only players are largely mythical and the difference between those that are good there and those that aren't is an effort and variance equation, both of which could probably favor him moving forward in a situation like ours.
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Necas didn’t earn any bonuses. Svech earned 850k. Canes have a 1.367 million bonus hit with a 977k cap space. A 390k hit for next season isn’t bad at all.
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Honka NHL ready next year?
I suppose stranger things have happened. I like to see him another year or two of top minutes in Liiga. I do think he’s got a future for CAR as either a sheltered 3rd pair PP guy or a top 4 hybrid of Vatanen/Barrie.
Kapanen: 36 points in 69 games ($3.2 million x 2 years then RFA)
Dzingel: 29 points in 64 games ($3.375 million x 1 year then UFA)
Maybe Dzingle is actually moveable for an asset
Dzingel: 29 points in 64 games ($3.375 million x 1 year then UFA)
Maybe Dzingle is actually moveable for an asset
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It wasn't on CapFriendly and I didn't see any of the beat writers/insiders tweet that out.
Thank you.
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But Kapanen does more than score points. Does Dzingel even know what the defensive zone is?
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Haha. In case my sarcasm wasn't obvious I didn't mean anything by it.
It was obvious. I wanted to point out that this wasn't one of those I believe you, but I don't believe you things anyway. Performance bonuses are hidden to an extent; you can figure out some from afar, but not all. That's a Twitter to keep an eye on moving forward.
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I’m willing to bet on Dzingel for one more season. He’s cheap enough and it will be a contract year for him, so I hope they take the bet he reverts back to the 20g, 40-50pt guy they thought they were getting.
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Necas' 16+20=36 in 64 games doesn't meet any of the forward bonus minimum (20G/35A/60P and 0.73 PpG), and he didn't have top 6 forward ice time.
Svech's 24+37=61 on the other hand is a grand slam that unlocks the needed 4 Schedule A bonus categories for maxing out on the raw production stats alone. Wasn't a league top 10 forward in any stat though to qualify for Schedule B.
Looks legit.
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That sort of production still doesn't mean a whole lot unfortunately, depending on his ice time/5v5 production. Obviously that would be better than what he put up last year but I just don't see him getting the ice time to put up those numbers as long as Brindy rightfully wants more out of his players than mere point production, which I imagine he will want given his roster decisions in the playoffs. Dzingel is like a poor man's version of Jeff Skinner, you're not going to win anything with him playing anything close to a major role on your team. But given Waddell's other moves, Dzingel might be one of his only options so I guess we'll see. I personally don't see the fit, and I liked both the Dzingel and Gardiner signings when they happened. Sometimes you just swing and miss, and it's ok to admit it without doubling down on it.
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Decyphering them is actually doable for the utmost part, but just need the raw manual work.
You can with logic and some light educated guesses pretty much figure out from CapFriendly who has a CBA Exhibit 5 Performance Bonus and who has a Games Played bonus. (Games Played ones count against the max salary of $925k, so the $700k guys with small bonuses like Foegele very likely are those, max salary guys like Necas can't be but Performance bonus)
Once you got that, the Performance bonus categories are in the Exhibit 5 (Goals, Assists, Points, PpG, and team-compared ToI, +/-, Blocked Shots (d-men), All-Star Game and ASG MVP, etc.) and it's just going through and comparing the teams stats.
Though Exhibit 5 allows them to be creative, I'm fairly certain it's always the maximum allowed $212,500 per bonus category and it gets unlocked by the minimum allowed performance (like 20 Goals for example), and they only tweak the the overall maximum (it's allowed to be $850k, but Necas for example has a slightly weird sum of $537,500*).
Games Played bonuses have allowed max of $25k for 5 NHL games, so if it's more than that it's gotta be one of the other allowed options of a 10 NHL games bonus or 10+ NHL games bonus.
I did a season-ending recap on previous years, completely missed doing one this year.
(* 3 x $212,500 would be $637,500, so looks like they hardcapped Necas at getting bonus for unlocking max 3 categories and even then nicked a $100k from the top.)
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Don’t be surprised if they make moves to shed salary and not replace with anything (Gardiner//Dzingle, Nino, etc). Those 3 alone could be replaced by guys on ELCs and not make the team any worse AND cut TDS losses (which are currently significantly higher than he’s stated he’d be willing to absorb) by about $10 million. Could move Reimer for a pick as well and replace with Ned.
That’s not saying it is going to happen, but Waddell just said they can’t operate without fans so I wouldn’t get my hopes up about spending to the cap.
That’s not saying it is going to happen, but Waddell just said they can’t operate without fans so I wouldn’t get my hopes up about spending to the cap.
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Mrazek and Ned would be the worst tandem in the league. We would have to have 6 top 2 shot suppressing defensive group to support them. big pass. Cant pass any harder.
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except Reimer already got his signing bonus. He has already spent the money, trade Mrazek instead. He saves more money that way. The tandem is infinitely better too.
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That’s an option too then. I don’t think it’s infinitely better just because Reimer had his first good season in 3 years as a backup.
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