Do you really think that is all we'd have to move for Laine? I know he had a bad year and will need a new contract soon, but really?
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Nikishin Go Boom
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Very little chance of that deal happening. Bean doesn’t have the level of value.
Nikishin Go Boom
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Very little chance of that deal happening. Bean doesn’t have the level of value.
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Why trade Jake Bean for Laine straight up when we can trade Roland McKeown for Laine straight up?
It makes a lot of sense to trade Bean if they plan to protect Skjei. He has significantly more value than the next tier of expansion draft options. Plus it may nudge Seattle towards taking a sweetener along with Gardiner.
Bean would be a good addition to a package for a bigger forward piece. Eichel would be the moonshot but a guy like Sam Reinhart may be more attainable. I'd stay away from Laine unless Aho goes to bat for him.
I do like the timing with the expansion draft on July 21 --> Entry Draft on July 23-24 --> UFA on July 28. Should be a fun week.
Bean would be a good addition to a package for a bigger forward piece. Eichel would be the moonshot but a guy like Sam Reinhart may be more attainable. I'd stay away from Laine unless Aho goes to bat for him.
I do like the timing with the expansion draft on July 21 --> Entry Draft on July 23-24 --> UFA on July 28. Should be a fun week.
The question is whether you feel the forward you acquire is worth Bean + Nino or Bean + Foegele?
Because Nino or Foegele will be exposed, and likely picked over Geekie, if a Bean deal is made. If you want to try to get Seattle to take Gardiner, it's going to be expensive either way.
If the acquired forward isn't better than Nino/Foegele, you're downgrading the forwards just to spite Seattle.
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He'd cost as much or more to sign next year PLUS the assets to get Columbus to move him to us. Great player but also a great cost. Why not just keep Dougie?
AhosDatsyukian
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I think Jones could be enough of an upgrade over Dougie to be worth the similar contract and assets given up to get him. I do like Dougie but I think he'll be overpaid by a fairly significant amount. I think Seth will be worth whatever contract he gets, and if he wants out of Columbus which is rumored it may not cost as much in assets as many think... Odds are he just re-signs there but it was just a thought that crossed my mind, especially since this Canes team likes to make splashes.
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Expensive to acquire in a trade, ridiculously expensive to get his name on a contract. He can go anywhere he wants.
DaveG
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Why give up assets to get a guy that's going UFA anyway? It would be one thing if we could talk extension before the trade but i highly doubt Columbus agrees to that. Not to mention he's going to be even more expensive than Dougie because he doesn't have quite the same negative reputation baggage
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Having two Seths would be confusing.
After 2022 as a UFA? Sure, but they will be in a major bidding war, likely more expensive than Hamilton.
Trade for 2021? No reason to trade for a season rental.
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WreckingCrew
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From everything Columbus fans are saying he's declining rapidly in play. He's a clear downgrade offensively, I haven't seen enough to know if he's better/worse defensively than Doogie
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Jones will not be worth what he would cost to acquire, nor do I really think he’ll be worth whatever monster extension he ends up signing this year or next. Like he’s already been said, the Canes can sign an $8M RHD if they want to and it only costs them cap space.
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Jones is horribly overrated, Hamilton is better.
This is in addition to the lunacy of spending assets to acquire a guy to replace someone they could just re-sign (assuming, quite kindly imo, that Hamilton is open to re-signing in Carolina).
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I wouldn’t mind Coleman as the second or third line LW.
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The advanced stats community backs up WreckingCrew's statement.
Let Toronto or someone else back up the Brinks truck to him. Hopefully not us.
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Nikishin Go Boom
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To me we can afford one long contract this off-season. If its Dougie, okay. If not then a Hyman or Coleman type isnt bad either. Overall I try to remain as flexible as we can and stay with short contracts.
we have about 2 seasons of a cheaper core that progresses to expensive, assuming we bridge Svech. I would load up on veteran scorers and allow Svech and Necas to work through their bumps in the road with little pressure. We have counted on Svech this season and we have been critical of his play. I would try to add 2 scorers this season with short deals, dumping/buying out Gardiner, decide between McGinn and Foegele and get a 1B for Ned.
we have about 2 seasons of a cheaper core that progresses to expensive, assuming we bridge Svech. I would load up on veteran scorers and allow Svech and Necas to work through their bumps in the road with little pressure. We have counted on Svech this season and we have been critical of his play. I would try to add 2 scorers this season with short deals, dumping/buying out Gardiner, decide between McGinn and Foegele and get a 1B for Ned.
Nikishin Go Boom
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As far as Seth Jones goes, he would be too expensive to acquire.
his underlying possession metrics don’t scare me that much. After Bread man and company left, Torts system became a prevent defense type and allowed other teams to maintain the puck. He plays all the hard minutes with little scoring help so his GA ratio is expected. xGF are also low because the system didn’t allow a lot offense. Then torts tried to make it more open with a short camp and it unsurprisingly sucked. That tanked his numbers as well.
his underlying possession metrics don’t scare me that much. After Bread man and company left, Torts system became a prevent defense type and allowed other teams to maintain the puck. He plays all the hard minutes with little scoring help so his GA ratio is expected. xGF are also low because the system didn’t allow a lot offense. Then torts tried to make it more open with a short camp and it unsurprisingly sucked. That tanked his numbers as well.
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I'm having a tough time envisioning a Gardiner buyout after how well the Darling/Reimer swap went. That success should reinforce the underlying organizational philosophy that buyouts are inefficient. I don't necessarily agree with it, but they may not change until it doesn't work out. Look at how they've treated UFAs a year out. The decision to trade Skinner worked out well. They did the same with Faulk a year later, which didn't. Hamilton was potentially an own-rental a year later.
WreckingCrew
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We bought out Canes legend Marleau though
I admit I'm hard pressed to see even a deal like de Haan happening, where Carolina got prospects back for de Haan and a prospect.
Maybe there's another 2022 expiring contract around that someone wants to buy out and would gamble on Gardiner or find him an easier buyout to swallow (like Darling vs Reimer.) Any potential buyout candidates people can identify?
A buyout is just the option available to a team that has reached the end of all other options. If the Canes can pay Seattle a reasonable amount to take Gardiner or if they can find a Hornqvist-for-Matheson or Reimer type swap then they will do that instead.
I think the Canes will find a deal before a buyout. But I don't think a buyout is fully off the table. It wasn't inefficient in the case of Marleau. Depending on what the Canes do with the extra ~$3 million in Cap space it could be effective for Gardiner too.
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