Rumor: All Purpose Trade Proposals, Speculation and Rumours - 2023/24

[Flair Hay]

maybe not this year but I could see ville and samberg moving to the right side

Grab Chych and your top 4 becomes

Maybe
Morrissey Samberg
Chych Ville

Lindholm starting to give me Kevin Hayes vibes

8 goals 28 points in his last 40.

Not sure he’s worth a legit prospect like lucius or Zhilkin

Maybe he’s more 1st plus Rashevsky or vesalainen type plus I’m convinced he’s a rental. Stastny didn’t get a haul.

I think a 1st and Zhilkin or Rashevsky type prospect will likely be his price from whatever team gets him

 

[Flair Hay]

Interesting to see Mittlestadt name being floated out there. He seems so similar to Perfetti from what I remember watching back in World Juniors. I could be way off, but that has to be very interesting with him being a 2 year rental. Exactly what we need basically. Given how hard we looked at Timo last year

 

[Huffer]

We finally get to the high stakes table and so many people are risk adverse they want us to spend our stack in blinds and never play…..

I think a lot of people understand the TD and teams adding pieces for a cup run. But to continue your analogy, I think there are a lot of people that don't want to take their stack and then throw it on the roulette table on double 0. There's no guarantee that being the team to spend the most at the TD gets you a cup. Maybe that's some people's desire to do that, but others may still want to add, but do it smart if possible. Both approaches have their pluses and minuses.

The next question is if he is that then why would a team clearly wanting to get back into the playoffs in Ottawa give up a useful player that they still have 3 to 4 years of control with.

Doesn't make any sense to me that we are making proposals for young players with control.

I don't really think the Sens would be thinking of moving Pinto at this time either. I only mentioned him in an "if" scenario as IMO that's a better target for the Jets IMO. Cheap right now, and was right on the cusp of looking to take a next step to becoming a pretty good 2C. We could try him out in a variety of situations this season and at worst he improves your 3rd line.

Norris is the guy I wonder if the Sens look to move. Still young, but with Pinto and Greig, they might see Norris as the guy they can use to get back some draft capital and prospects, and re-arrange his contract somewhere else. Because it's the contract that might make him available IMO, and it would be the sticking point for the acquiring team too. Is his recent run of injuries just bad luck, or are you getting a 8 million dollar long term contract on a guy whos chronically injured and doesn't live up to it? That's a lot of cap for a maybe. But could be a calculated risk if your medical people and scouts thought he could be worth 8. Locks up our top 2 centres for a long time.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

So now 3rd round zhilkin and chronically broken lucius are too good for lindholm... Chevy needs to make a trade soon I think we have all been talking about this too long

Stastny got a 1st and Eric Foley ffs. He didn’t get a 1st and top prospect.

Some ppl seriously over rating the values of rentals. Mittlestadt would get more cuz he’s not a rental.

 

[Huffer]

Interesting to see Mittlestadt name being floated out there. He seems so similar to Perfetti from what I remember watching back in World Juniors. I could be way off, but that has to be very interesting with him being a 2 year rental. Exactly what we need basically. Given how hard we looked at Timo last year

Agreed. I also can't see why the Sabres would move him at this point (similar to Pinto), but they'd get a lot of interest IMO. Especially if the acquiring team could lock him up to an extension.

 

[10Ducky10]

maybe not this year but I could see ville and samberg moving to the right side

Grab Chych and your top 4 becomes

Maybe
Morrissey Samberg
Chych Ville

Lindholm starting to give me Kevin Hayes vibes

8 goals 28 points in his last 40.

Not sure he’s worth a legit prospect like lucius or Zhilkin

Maybe he’s more 1st plus Rashevsky or vesalainen type plus I’m convinced he’s a rental. Stastny didn’t get a haul.

There are only 2 Jets forwards with more points than Lindholm this season so far.
He's going to get more than a 1st and a B prospect.

 

[WolfHouse]

Stastny got a 1st and Eric Foley ffs. He didn’t get a 1st and top prospect.

Some ppl seriously over rating the values of rentals. Mittlestadt would get more cuz he’s not a rental.

I see your point but I'd counter thar 29 and 32 is considered a big gap... and there's a lot more competition for lindholm this year.

Again value is hard to gauge - the haul for copp was good and the haul for stas was meh... both are comparable rentals

 

[10Ducky10]

Agreed. I also can't see why the Sabres would move him at this point (similar to Pinto), but they'd get a lot of interest IMO. Especially if the acquiring team could lock him up to an extension.

Chevy won't pay the ask for Mitts in my opinion.

 

[WolfHouse]

Chevy won't pay the ask for Mitts in my opinion.

He won't pay it because they're not trading him. No way they're going rebuild and ditching a solid 25 year old C

 

[Huffer]

Chevy won't pay the ask for Mitts in my opinion.

Agree, probably not but hard to know until we know the ask I guess.

Question though, have the Jets ever traded for a young player like that with the intention of extending him? Like a young (25 or younger so not a Nino type acquisition) type that they would look to be in their top 6 F or top 4 D? I can't think of one. IMO you can trade a little more for a player with some term you also hope to extend because either you get him extended and your team improves for a longer time period, or you get multiple playoffs with them, or you turn around and trade them and re-coup some of the cost.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

I think a lot of people understand the TD and teams adding pieces for a cup run. But to continue your analogy, I think there are a lot of people that don't want to take their stack and then throw it on the roulette table on double 0. There's no guarantee that being the team to spend the most at the TD gets you a cup. Maybe that's some people's desire to do that, but others may still want to add, but do it smart if possible. Both approaches have their pluses and minuses.

Double 0?

if Chychrun is in the trade market he instantly becomes the best def available.

Elias Lindstrom is an established 2 way centre that would immediately be our 3rd best point producer our second best centre and a top 5 skilled player on the team.

those aren’t double 00’s. I think everyone wants to not sell the farm, but not even considering trading our first round pick, or a Chaz Lucious, or simply just stating:
“ I don’t want to mess with our line up they are clicking. “
Is what I was commenting on.

all are examples of blinding out. We may never have this opportunity to be a legitimate cup contender again in the next decade. Absolute madness IMO to not want to invest in skill/talent for a cup run, or look at Chychrun and go, ewwww. I’d rather roll with Schmidt.

What are the sell the farm or push everything all in on double o examples. I haven’t seen many.

For lidstrom, a 1st, Chaz and Chisholm is expensive but totally fair, and as per hockey writers that sounds like the price. (A 1st, a good prospect and another asset). Expensive yes, but that’s not pushing all in on double 0.

 

[10Ducky10]

He won't pay it because they're not trading him. No way they're going rebuild and ditching a solid 25 year old C

I agree.

Agree, probably not but hard to know until we know the ask I guess.

Question though, have the Jets ever traded for a young player like that with the intention of extending him? Like a young (25 or younger so not a Nino type acquisition) type that they would look to be in their top 6 F or top 4 D? I can't think of one. IMO you can trade a little more for a player with some term you also hope to extend because either you get him extended and your team improves for a longer time period, or you get multiple playoffs with them, or you turn around and trade them and re-coup some of the cost.

The Sabres need to bring some cash to the table and extend him.
He was brought into the league too early, but he has shown that he belongs the last couple of years.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Fair enough, but I guess the answer to the question is because he did well in a 3rd pair role on a poor team once he had a chance.

But yeah if he has pleateau'd the price I am talking about is probably silly. But he is definitely better than Stanley who is probably our clubhouse leader for press box fill in

But don't we already have better than Stanley? Coach's decision about playing stanley may not be about talent, but, just coach's preference. Adding a replacement may not change that.

Also, people mention Lindholm would be our 3rd highest pt guy. Does that take into consideration how many games vilardi and kc have missed?

 

[10Ducky10]

But don't we already have better than Stanley? Coach's decision about playing stanley may not be about talent, but, just coach's preference. Adding a replacement may not change that.

Also, people mention Lindholm would be our 3rd highest pt guy. Does that take into consideration how many games vilardi and kc have missed?

They would both probably have more points than Lindholm...but then again, Lindholm probably has more points playing on our top 6.

 

[Flair Hay]

Double 0?

if Chychrun is in the trade market he instantly becomes the best def available.

Elias Lindstrom is an established 2 way centre that would immediately be our 3rd best point producer our second best centre and a top 5 skilled player on the team.

those aren’t double 00’s. I think everyone wants to not sell the farm, but not even considering trading our first round pick, or a Chaz Lucious, or simply just stating:
“ I don’t want to mess with our line up they are clicking. “
Is what I was commenting on.

all are examples of blinding out. We may never have this opportunity to be a legitimate cup contender again in the next decade. Absolute madness IMO to not want to invest in skill/talent for a cup run, or look at Chychrun and go, ewwww. I’d rather roll with Schmidt.

What are the sell the farm or push everything all in on double o examples. I haven’t seen many.

For lidstrom, a 1st, Chaz and Chisholm is expensive but totally fair, and as per hockey writers that sounds like the price. (A 1st, a good prospect and another asset). Expensive yes, but that’s not pushing all in on double 0.

Would anyone have regretted it if we had dealt a 1st and Roslovic and Niku for Mark Stone, but still got bounced 1st round by St. Louis?

If anything, it's not making that trade that is the big regret.

But don't we already have better than Stanley? Coach's decision about playing stanley may not be about talent, but, just coach's preference. Adding a replacement may not change that.

Also, people mention Lindholm would be our 3rd highest pt guy. Does that take into consideration how many games vilardi and kc have missed?

To the first point, we'll, you can work with the coach to get a guy he does like.

To the second point, I had the same thought myself. Lindholm may only be our 5th or 6th best forward if we got him.

That doesn't mean he isn't capable if being close to a point a game guy with aolid defense between Perfetti and Ehlers. If he finds his way on to PP1 anyway.

 

[Huffer]

Double 0?

if Chychrun is in the trade market he instantly becomes the best def available.

Elias Lindstrom is an established 2 way centre that would immediately be our 3rd best point producer our second best centre and a top 5 skilled player on the team.

those aren’t double 00’s. I think everyone wants to not sell the farm, but not even considering trading our first round pick, or a Chaz Lucious, or simply just stating:
“ I don’t want to mess with our line up they are clicking. “
Is what I was commenting on.

all are examples of blinding out. We may never have this opportunity to be a legitimate cup contender again in the next decade. Absolute madness IMO to not want to invest in skill/talent for a cup run, or look at Chychrun and go, ewwww. I’d rather roll with Schmidt.

What are the sell the farm or push everything all in on double o examples. I haven’t seen many.

For lidstrom, a 1st, Chaz and Chisholm is expensive but totally fair, and as per hockey writers that sounds like the price. (A 1st, a good prospect and another asset). Expensive yes, but that’s not pushing all in on double 0.

You misunderstand what I meant with your analogy. It's the not the player themselves that's the 00. Both players you mention, Chychrun and Lindholm are both very good players.

To continue your analogy what I meant with the 00 is the risk / reward of the move. The reward of putting a stack on a single number is great, but the odds are not. Sure, a team can spend a bundle at the TD, but there is no guarantee or even historical president that the team that goes out and spend the most wins the cup more than any other team (at least not that I've seen).

For a Chychrun, spending to acquire him isn't a bad risk because with his extra year on his contract you've potentially capped your losses. If extending him doesn't work for the team or the player, you can possibly trade and him and re-coup some of the assets you traded away.

My personal preference is not to deal 1st round picks or some of our top prospects for rentals. In a perfect world for me, I'd rather deal those assets, and even if I had to spend a little more, deal them for a piece that would be around for a longer time period. Or secondly, I think finding the Nino and Names types that can add pretty close to the same impact as guys that cost a lot more for much less.

I do agree with you though on disagreeing with the notion of saying we should just stand pat. Even depth moves should be made to shore up the team in case of injuries. And with our 1st looking very much to be very late, having both Chaz and Lambert and Chaz having injury issues, personally I'm more open to moving a 1st and Lucius for a Lindholm type this year compared to other years. Likely not my first choice though. I think in order I'd prefer to find the Nino and Names types for depth (Henrique?), second would be a piece that might cost more but would be around longer (a Norris, Mitts, Hertl type - not saying their available), and then third would be rolling on a rental like Lindholm.

 

[10Ducky10]

1st, Loosh and Barron for a re-signed Lindholm.

 

[Flair Hay]

1st, Loosh and Barron for a re-signed Lindholm.

What would you give up if he did not agree to an extension?

 

[Adam da bomb]

They would both probably have more points than Lindholm...but then again, Lindholm probably has more points playing on our top 6.

Does he? In Calgary every play goes through him. In Wpg he is a very secondary top 6 player.

 

[Gabe Kupari]

I’d be more interested in Mittlestadt. I think if Dillon and Demelo are looking at extending here, ville can get u a 2 center. Buffalo wants D men. Maybe ville plus 1st and they take Stanley or Schmidt and can trade their picks for a goalie.lindholm screams rental and if I’m making a big move it’s someone off the board who actually makes sense for this group. Minnesota mafia

 

[Flair Hay]

I’d be more interested in Mittlestadt. I think if Dillon and Demelo are looking at extending here, ville can get u a 2 center. Buffalo wants D men. Maybe ville plus 1st and they take Stanley and can trade their picks for a goalie.

I think everyone would, yeah.

Buffalo wants a top 4 stay at home RD specifically. That and a young power forward.

Salomonsson probably still too young, and it would hurt bad to give up our only non roster top six power forward the way he has played this year...

Gotta give to get I suppose

 

[Gabe Kupari]

Sabres have missed the playoffs for 15 years. Like Ottawa their rebuild has failed. I think Mittlestadt is exactly the type Chevy would pay for.

 

[Fire Chevy]

Sabres have missed the playoffs for 15 years. Like Ottawa their rebuild has failed. I think Mittlestadt is exactly the type Chevy would pay for.

Honestly if we could land Mitts I would add any prospect our first and one of Barron/appelton and Heinola he would make our top 6 for years to come

 

[KingBogo]

What would you give up if he did not agree to an extension?

This is the right question as there is almost zero chance Lindholm signs sight unseen to facilitate a trade. I also think it is very unlikely Chevy is willing to offer the overpay it would require to make it happen.

 

[10Ducky10]

What would you give up if he did not agree to an extension?

Not sure if I want a high priced rental.

Does he? In Calgary every play goes through him. In Wpg he is a very secondary top 6 player.

In Winnipeg he is a 65-70 point 2C that is an elite PKer that also plays on the PP.