Prospect Info: All-Purpose Prospect Thread v17.0

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Recently saw grades given to the Blackhawks prospects over at Second City Hockey website..

Pretty brutal assessment ...but I want to comment on the B grade they gave Kk and the B- they gave to Levshunov..

My fact observations..
Point production is close...20 points for Kk and 19 for Levshunov
..but Lev has 4 goals to just 2 forKk.

They had the audacity today that Kk had improved on bad habits he learned playong in the Show lsst sesson when he wss not ready.. but the fact he is -20 is slouched off as an aside that his defense is still atrocious...while Lev who is ONLY -3 got criticized in almost everything except puck transport into the o-zobe where they admitted it was ekite level..but he got lambasted for just over-shootong...that this was his only method of attacking to create scoring...shoot and let pther clean up the rebound message the net or drflect his shots in
..The fact he gets shots through to the net is ignored as a good thing to do when other dmen Hawks have get shots blocked or they go off the net...but I think the harsh critcism _disatus faction they have with Lev is that he does not use his teammates well ...little passing to find open forwards ...no vision...not making smart plays or controlling the puck in o-zone for lengthy time looking to then feed open forwards.. just shoot only..and that such a game will fail at NHL level because there shotsxwill be blocked and so lossesion given up quickly .. also that Lev follows up own shots and leads to getting caught deep and leads to easy transition 2 on1s or breakasays for the opos.

Anyway...really hard on Lev and disappointed he is not syarting as expected.
May not be able to rina Pp only by shooting...maybe if he had 12 goal or more by now proving a deadly shot they woukd say ol...great piintvshot..but instead with only 4 goals they are just saying not so great even if getting through on net at thecAhL level is fine but obviously will not happen at NHL level..

However it seems to me...despite allhis flaws they pint out,that a -3 on a Rockford squad stripped of better talent (Nazar and Slaggert in NHL and even with them not much else was thete) ,that defensively Lev has not realky been hurting the Icehogs much at all...
Ge must be doing something right defensively to be only -3 given high minutes played.
WHILE KK at -20 seems like a lost cause to ever be in the Show..
If KK somehow seems to be "looking more confident " offensively but it hardly shows in his points tgen what real value is crediting looking good when it produces little resukts..As for his atrocious defense they merely ignore this is his grade?

I am sorry..I do not get it.

The LEV hate must be residue disgusting that KD passed over Demidov who is annoited the next big NHL star already.

Anyway ...I care not how God a player looks ...but when comparing-3 to -20
that is a factual response to any looking good ...got rid of bad habits nonsense.

It is simple..either prevent goals agIbst or outscore your d-flaws..do nktcsee eotger from Kk..
Hard to give him a higher grade than Lev...but they did...
 
Looked like a set play and the Petes weren't expecting it.
Yea. It’s the first D zone play Peewees put in. Then they ran it, the puck wasn’t dropped. Then they ran it again. Speed is lethal on Lardis. His second goal is the first play a peewee team puts in for the Ozone.

I have such a hard time with Lardis and what he’s going to be. On one hand he is having a truly historic season and you just can’t ignore the finishing. On the other hand, some of these are not NHL goals. Now, everyone in Junior scores “junior goals” he just scores way more of them.

I cannot reconcile the incredible production with “goal quality”. So I don’t know if there’s ever been a player with a higher ceiling and a lower floor for me.
 
Yea. It’s the first D zone play Peewees put in. Then they ran it, the puck wasn’t dropped. Then they ran it again. Speed is lethal on Lardis. His second goal is the first play a peewee team puts in for the Ozone.

I have such a hard time with Lardis and what he’s going to be. On one hand he is having a truly historic season and you just can’t ignore the finishing. On the other hand, some of these are not NHL goals. Now, everyone in Junior scores “junior goals” he just scores way more of them.

I cannot reconcile the incredible production with “goal quality”. So I don’t know if there’s ever been a player with a higher ceiling and a lower floor for me.
I mean, there are a lot of those goals on one-timers from the right circle that are NHL goals too. If he can get himself in space and has someone to feed him (like Bedard) he can score at any level.
 
I was right...I called out Hagens as over-hyprd and over-ranked and Definitely not in mynopiniom a consideration for any Blackhawks pick in the top 4...I think maybe 6thbor 7th...no higher...a definitec"faller" not living upto top 3 hype..
Now in their latest YouTube video cast,Locked On NHL Prospects has finally proclaimed Hagens a "faller" too!
He was expected to produce a lot more given hisvproiledhed situation on a dominant Boston College team and playing most of the season with Leonard and Perrault on his wings..but in the new year BC changed up lines and though Hagens gets PP time with L&P he is no longer with them at evens and his 2nd half production has fallen of...He still should have had a better first half playibg with them but though he picked up a decent level of assists there was less than expected goal scoring
..to me it was obvious he was getting assists playing with them as a lot of cemters would Nyway rather than he being a focal driver for them...with scoringpace trending down the last month in his NCAA play,some scouts like tge one doing the Locked On NHL Prospects youtube videocassette (who is a chief USHL and NCAA scout for eliteprosoects.com) has also put Hagens into a falling stock group..
This is why you both must follow a prospect all season to determine consistency,plateau vs. Improving trend or falling trend..
In my own opinion I see a plateaued Hagens ...the question now being does he even fall out of the top ten?
I do not know ...youvalso must consider that 5'10.5 to 5'11 sized cebters should be soecial to overcome the size issue..I do not see anything that soecial in Hagens ..he isxgiid in several aspects but not tge bestxat any 1 thing...We shall see if he trends up or down further or stays steady till season end but if tge consensus starts souring on him like sone have started to think about his projection to the pros,then maybe he even does fall out of the top ten..If that happens and he falls to 11-15,I just hope KD does not get excited...and overpays by combining the Toronto 1st Hawks own and Hawks first in 2nd round to make a move up just to get him...
That woukd be a mistake.
A move up to land someone else =maybe for positional need ifca target is available.

IF Hawks land Misa at #2 then no need to add
Hagens. HAWKS HAVE LOTS OF 3C potential centers...no way is Hagens a fit ir a need.

Maybe a move up fo r a Dman if we got Misa.

If we got Scaefer at #1 then maybe use a package of picks in a trade to get a better 3C fit type than Hagens ..we do not need more undersized top 2 line Centers.

Or if we trade Jones and do not get back a RD prospect from theaquiring team then maybe use quantity picks package to move up for a RD who may excel only as as shutdown RD or who is a PMD offensive type but may need to work on the defensive side..IF we trade Jones maybe we do not get back any RD prospect but get a top winger woth size prosoect ..that
We are not I such a case going to draft 2C solution ifcwe move up to 12-15 ...but we coukd get more good scoring wingers or maybe the last remaing RD target projected for the middle (11-19) area while ceiling might only be 2nd or 3rd pairing g if he makes the Show .
 

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