All-Purpose News Thread Part II

[tp71]

Well, anyone who watches MMA or boxing knows that's a bunch of bs. A person's physique has very little to do with how good of a fighter they are and no top heavyweight is losing to a welterweight or middleweight regardless of how fast they are. Seems to me like the believability argument gets used inconsistently. Now, to me it's the same as someone watching an action movie and complaining about it being fake or over the top which is pretty silly imo.

180 lbs Royce Gracie beat 6'8 468 lb Akebono in an MMA fight in 2004. C'mon.

 

[CDJ]

180 lbs Royce Gracie beat 6'8 468 lb Akebono in an MMA fight in 2004. C'mon.

I would like to see Royce Gracie try something against Tom Aspinall today, it would go very poorly for Royce fighting modern heavyweights that actually know what jiujitsu is

 

[DaaaaB's]

While Rey was a great example to counter my argument, all 3 of the guys you mention are like what 6'0-6'1?

And they're all way smaller than the guys they beat. Brock Lesnar would murder any one of them with one hand tied behind his back.

Bret Hart beating Kevin Nash was absolutely believable

If you think Bret Hart could've beat up Kevin Nash at any point in his career than you're completely delusional.

 

[DaaaaB's]

180 lbs Royce Gracie beat 6'8 468 lb Akebono in an MMA fight in 2004. C'mon.

I'm the one arguing that size doesn't matter in wrestling so thanks I guess. I'm just pointing out the inconsistency in arguing that it does. That being said, your example is awful because Akebono wasn't an MMA fighter and had next to training on how to defend submissions.

Believability and realism are two very different thing. I do not expect wrestling to be realistic, but I expect it to be believable enough not to feel like an idiot when I watch it.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one because I haven't found wrestling to be believable at any point in my life.

 

[sabremike]

My mom is not a wrestling fan but would be in the living room when I would watch the ECW PPV's as a kid. The one match I remember her getting completely invested in was the Mike Awesome-Spike Dudley match at Guilty As Charged 2000 (one of the most underrated matches of the era and a forgotten classic) specifically due to the dynamic of the little guy fighting a giant monster.

 

[Jussi]

Liv Morgan no longer charged with serious drug possession.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I realize we're probably past this conversation...

... But f*** Velveteen Dream. Guy makes an "Apology" video for his behavior. Doesn't mention any of the people who were actually victims of his behavior, and apologizes to Triple H and Shawn Michaels before his own family. Read between the lines.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I thought Rey Mysterio put this line of thinking to bed sometime in the mid 90's but I guess not.

Which current women's wrestler is generational at their wrestling style, like Rey is/was, to overcome a massive size difference?

 

[Apex Predator]

I realize we're probably past this conversation...

... But f*** Velveteen Dream. Guy makes an "Apology" video for his behavior. Doesn't mention any of the people who were actually victims of his behavior, and apologizes to Triple H and Shawn Michaels before his own family. Read between the lines.

What did he do again?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

What did he do again?

I'm not sure if the first accusation of sending nude pics to an underage girl was debunked or just unproven. From that I believe there were also claims of inappropriate conversations with other minors.

Several months after that he got a new allegation of inappropriate conversations with a 17 year old boy. I believe there was a recorded message of him asking about the kid's height, weight, physique, etc. in what could best be described as a "Seductive tone". He came out with a statement claiming the kid wanted to be a wrestler (I believe that part was true) and he was speaking in that voice to "Keep kayfabe and talk as Velveteen Dream would."

After he was released, EC3 went on a podcast and claimed that when they were all in NXT he had a party and found VD's phone in the bathroom, recording, and pointed at the toilet.

I'm all for giving a guy the benefit of the doubt when a random accusation comes about, but when multiple different people come out and claim you're a groomer at best and pedophile/sex pest at worst, and you seemingly admit to the behavior at least once while passing it off as "Keeping kayfabe", you lose the benefit of the doubt.

All this, BTW, is aside from him admitting that he (and others in NXT) used to do coke all the time. And his arrest shortly after he got released.

 

[DaaaaB's]

Which current women's wrestler is generational at their wrestling style, like Rey is/was, to overcome a massive size difference?

That's such a weird way to view wrestling but to each their own. So since everyone else avoided this question as usual, I'll ask you specifically, how is someone like Sasha Banks beating Rhea Ripley less believable than Seth Rollins beating Brock Lesnar?

The answer is that it's not less believable but you guys like to pick and choose who that argument applies to. It's very laughable to me. You guys think Darby Allin beating MJF would be ridiculous but you're ok with Rollins beating Lesner or Strowman. Some real sound logic there.

 

[Brodeur]

Not really news, but I went on a wild goose chase to buy this vinyl yesterday. Best Buy had announced awhile back that they were removing physical media from its stores. But this week there was news that displays were finally gone. So I had the urge to do the old routine.

Their web site said the closest location didn't have it, so I went to a different one. They only had a handful of records on display so I had to flag down an employee and sheepishly ask if they had it in stock. He responded with something like "The Macho Man one? We were just talking about that." But sadly it appeared that somebody beat me to it.

Was bored enough to drive to another location (while passing two others). For a moment I thought I was out of luck, but I was foolishly was searching under "S" for Savage rather than "M" for Macho Man.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

That's such a weird way to view wrestling but to each their own. So since everyone else avoided this question as usual, I'll ask you specifically, how is someone like Sasha Banks beating Rhea Ripley less believable than Seth Rollins beating Brock Lesnar?

The answer is that it's not less believable but you guys like to pick and choose who that argument applies to. It's very laughable to me. You guys think Darby Allin beating MJF would be ridiculous but you're ok with Rollins beating Lesner or Strowman. Some real sound logic there.

I'm sure it is weird when it doesn't suit your narrative. And I assume you didn't answer the question because you don't actually have an answer.

Rey could be sold against bigger guys because he's a generational talent. (There were still many who criticized this, BTW) Who's the women's wrestler right now that's smaller and is a good enough worker that they can be sold beating somebody like Ripley? There's not one in WWE or AEW. Maybe peak, strong style, NXT Asuka? MAYBE?

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Sounds like Raw might be moving to Amazon.

 

[sabremike]

I'm sure it is weird when it doesn't suit your narrative. And I assume you didn't answer the question because you don't actually have an answer.

Rey could be sold against bigger guys because he's a generational talent. (There were still many who criticized this, BTW) Who's the women's wrestler right now that's smaller and is a good enough worker that they can be sold beating somebody like Ripley? There's not one in WWE or AEW. Maybe peak, strong style, NXT Asuka? MAYBE?

Two posts above your original one I pointed to a specific match where the dynamic you say only works with a generational talent worked so well someone with no interest in pro wrestling got emotionally invested in it. Do you consider Spike Dudley a generational talent?

 

[Scandale du Jour]

Two posts above your original one I pointed to a specific match where the dynamic you say only works with a generational talent worked so well someone with no interest in pro wrestling got emotionally invested in it. Do you consider Spike Dudley a generational talent?

Spike Dudley could sell like not many people can.

He also had the charisma to pull the ultimate underdog gimmick.

I would not say he was a generational talent, but he was pretty damn special to be able to connect with an audience despite his limitations. He clearly could not be a main eventer, but he could serve a purpose and make you believe.

 

[sabremike]

Spike Dudley could sell like not many people can.

He also had the charisma to pull the ultimate underdog gimmick.

I would not say he was a generational talent, but he was pretty damn special to be able to connect with an audience despite his limitations. He clearly could not be a main eventer, but he could serve a purpose and make you believe.

The match I just mentioned did in fact headline a PPV.

 

[Sheppy]

I'm sure it is weird when it doesn't suit your narrative. And I assume you didn't answer the question because you don't actually have an answer.

Rey could be sold against bigger guys because he's a generational talent. (There were still many who criticized this, BTW) Who's the women's wrestler right now that's smaller and is a good enough worker that they can be sold beating somebody like Ripley? There's not one in WWE or AEW. Maybe peak, strong style, NXT Asuka? MAYBE?

I don't disagree with this, mainly because I think Rhea despite being much bigger than most of the women, is as good, or better they are in the ring, too. The issue with her challengers are that none are really built up to be a legit threat.

I legitimately believe Rhea will go down as the best to ever do it in WWE. I think she's already better than Charlotte simply in the way she elevates the smaller talent with her selling. (The reason I say Charlotte is because they tend to hammer home the idea that she's the GOAT) - She isn't.

It's a hot take for sure, but I'll stand by it.

 

[DaaaaB's]

I'm sure it is weird when it doesn't suit your narrative. And I assume you didn't answer the question because you don't actually have an answer.

Rey could be sold against bigger guys because he's a generational talent. (There were still many who criticized this, BTW) Who's the women's wrestler right now that's smaller and is a good enough worker that they can be sold beating somebody like Ripley? There's not one in WWE or AEW. Maybe peak, strong style, NXT Asuka? MAYBE?

I didn't answer it because it doesn't make any sense to me. First off, Rey had just a bit of an advantage over the other luchadore's being American and speaking English. He might not have been a generational talent without that. Hell, there's been all kinds of luchadore's who could do the same stuff Rey can. Secondly, I don't think a wrestler needs to be a generational talent to beat a larger one at all. That idea is ridiculous to me, if a wrestler is booked/built up properly than I don't give a shit how big they are. It's pretty obvious by listening to fans reactions at the shows that the vast majority don't agree with you.

Asuka could absolutely be built back up to beat Rhea and it's completely absurd to say otherwise.

Like I said before, you pick and choose who this argument applies to. Now, you wanna answer the question I asked you?

 

[Emperoreddy]

I'm sure it is weird when it doesn't suit your narrative. And I assume you didn't answer the question because you don't actually have an answer.

Rey could be sold against bigger guys because he's a generational talent. (There were still many who criticized this, BTW) Who's the women's wrestler right now that's smaller and is a good enough worker that they can be sold beating somebody like Ripley? There's not one in WWE or AEW. Maybe peak, strong style, NXT Asuka? MAYBE?

Becky, easily. Like it's not that big an ask at all to find a main eventer that is smaller then her that can credibly beat her.

This is a made up problem.

 

[CDJ]

Not really news, but I went on a wild goose chase to buy this vinyl yesterday. Best Buy had announced awhile back that they were removing physical media from its stores. But this week there was news that displays were finally gone. So I had the urge to do the old routine.

Their web site said the closest location didn't have it, so I went to a different one. They only had a handful of records on display so I had to flag down an employee and sheepishly ask if they had it in stock. He responded with something like "The Macho Man one? We were just talking about that." But sadly it appeared that somebody beat me to it.

Was bored enough to drive to another location (while passing two others). For a moment I thought I was out of luck, but I was foolishly was searching under "S" for Savage rather than "M" for Macho Man.

Unrelenting bars

 

[DaaaaB's]

Becky, easily. Like it's not that big an ask at all to find a main eventer that is smaller then her that can credibly beat her.

This is a made up problem.

Yeah especially since she's in WWE. AEW is a different story but WWE's women division is stacked with talent.

 

[CDJ]

There’s no problem with a smaller wrestler winning as long as they are booked strong enough to make it believable (or they want to do a “fluke” storyline)

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

I didn't answer it because it doesn't make any sense to me. First off, Rey had just a bit of an advantage over the other luchadore's being American and speaking English. He might not have been a generational talent without that. Hell, there's been all kinds of luchadore's who could do the same stuff Rey can. Secondly, I don't think a wrestler needs to be a generational talent to beat a larger one at all. That idea is ridiculous to me, if a wrestler is booked/built up properly than I don't give a shit how big they are. It's pretty obvious by listening to fans reactions at the shows that the vast majority don't agree with you.

Asuka could absolutely be built back up to beat Rhea and it's completely absurd to say otherwise.

Like I said before, you pick and choose who this argument applies to. Now, you wanna answer the question I asked you?

Rey's English is the reason his wrestling ability shined. Got it...

 

[DaaaaB's]

Rey's English is the reason his wrestling ability shined. Got it...

Yeah because that's what I said. Keep moving those goalposts lol.