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Sheppy said:
Jade makes most dudes look small, she's a physical freak.

However there's a big history of this. If it's not about Tiffany Stratton "losing abs" during her time off or saying "if Bayley had abs like Finn she'd be pushed more" or Zoey Starks "physique" or Sol Ruca's "muscles" or Sasha needing to get "muscles because she's alarmingly skinny" - I don't know. I just find the overall need to continuously point stuff like this out kind of, well, weird.
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I don't recall saying that. At least certainly not seriously. :laugh:

In an industry where physical attributes play a huge role, pointing the obvious is somehow weird? When male talent are off tv due to injury and come back looking healthy, first comments are usually "he's definitely roiding up/on the HGH regimen". It's the nature of the industry. When people known for their physique have changes happen to them, whether improving or deteriorating, it's natural to comment on it. Don't try to pretend that if Finn "lost" his as, wouldn't notice and comment on it. Jericho's dad bod" has been regularly commented and joked on.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
Look matters in the entertainment industry and adds to perceived legitimacy in sports. Again, if it were "Her ass ain't that great anymore", I could see it.

But back to Jade, there's another reason I just don't see it with Sasha. WWE's assembled (And is still in the process of assembling) a pretty solid roster of larger, super athletic women. Rhea's big and athletic. Bianca's big and athletic. Charlotte's big and athletic. (Albeit miscast as a face) Raquel's big and athletic. (Long way to go as a character, though...) Tiffany's big and athletic. Jade's big and athletic.

Sure you've had smaller men that have gotten over on top, but they've either gotta be an incredible worker or an incredible personality. (Usually both) Sasha's work doesn't stand out above WWE's top women. Her personality stands out, but honestly, if they can train up Jade, are they all that different? And Jade trumps Sasha as a physical freak, as you noted.
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I'm not the biggest Sasha fan, I've noted that before. I've been turned off from her ever since seeing her interact with people at a Wrestlemania fan axxess. She's beyond arrogant.

As for her ring work. I think she's fine. A lot of women had their best matches with Sasha when she was in the WWE - She was botchy at times but could really tell a story, especially as a heel. I think she's got charisma and is a good worker. I'd put her in the upper tier of womens wrestlers.

The thing with Sasha is that I don't think she's worth her asking price. I also don't think Charlotte should be the highest paid womens wrestler ever, either. In fact, I think Charlotte is comically overrated.
 
Sheppy said:
I'm not the biggest Sasha fan, I've noted that before. I've been turned off from her ever since seeing her interact with people at a Wrestlemania fan axxess. She's beyond arrogant.

As for her ring work. I think she's fine. A lot of women had their best matches with Sasha when she was in the WWE - She was botchy at times but could really tell a story, especially as a heel. I think she's got charisma and is a good worker. I'd put her in the upper tier of womens wrestlers.

The thing with Sasha is that I don't think she's worth her asking price. I also don't think Charlotte should be the highest paid womens wrestler ever, either. In fact, I think Charlotte is comically overrated.
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I don't disagree that she's fine in the ring. I just think she came in as the upper tier of women workers and has been surpassed and bumped down to above average. If I had to draw a parallel (Though a way more extreme example) it's like Ronda looking like a beast in the UFC before division got built up, whereas Ronda now would get absolutely destroyed. She's not necessarily changed in her quality of work, I just think Sasha stood out in a time where women's wrestling was still kinda shitty, and now she's getting passed by better talents.

Charlotte's pay is likely due, in large part, to tenure. Rhea and Bianca haven't been around nearly long enough to demand the same kind of money.

Becky's due in 2024 and I'd honestly be surprised if she doesn't get more money than Charlotte.
 
FriendlyGhost92 said:
I don't disagree that she's fine in the ring. I just think she came in as the upper tier of women workers and has been surpassed and bumped down to above average. If I had to draw a parallel (Though a way more extreme example) it's like Ronda looking like a beast in the UFC before division got built up, whereas Ronda now would get absolutely destroyed. She's not necessarily changed in her quality of work, I just think Sasha stood out in a time where women's wrestling was still kinda shitty, and now she's getting passed by better talents.

Charlotte's pay is likely due, in large part, to tenure. Rhea and Bianca haven't been around nearly long enough to demand the same kind of money.

Becky's due in 2024 and I'd honestly be surprised if she doesn't get more money than Charlotte.
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This is my thing.

I haven't watched enough of her post WWE, mind you she's probably only had a handful of matches. I heard the Kairi match was great, but yeah, not much else. I do believe she has a great look and if she walked in a room with a lot of womens wrestlers, she'd be the one coming off as the star. I think she's more of a character than someone who's going to be a COMPLETE package at this stage.

Womens wrestling as a whole has gotten much better, no doubt. You can see how far it's passed people by especially Saraya & Natalya (I use her because she just hasn't done a thing to make herself interesting) - I'm curious to see how she does once she returns.

Again, I don't think Sasha is worth her asking price, but she's going to likely get it from Tony.
 
It's also hard to get past that the Mone character feels like a step down from Sasha Banks.

She has been injured but I don't think you can say she has raised her stock after a WWE exit like Mox, Cody, or Drew did for example.
 
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Jussi said:
I don't recall saying that. At least certainly not seriously. :laugh:

In an industry where physical attributes play a huge role, pointing the obvious is somehow weird? When male talent are off tv due to injury and come back looking healthy, first comments are usually "he's definitely roiding up/on the HGH regimen". It's the nature of the industry. When people known for their physique have changes happen to them, whether improving or deteriorating, it's natural to comment on it. Don't try to pretend that if Finn "lost" his as, wouldn't notice and comment on it. Jericho's dad bod" has been regularly commented and joked on.
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this is a dishonest response because there are expectations and then there's the dysphoria gauntlet that someone like Dana Brooke brutally went through
 
sansabri said:
this is a dishonest response because there are expectations and then there's the dysphoria gauntlet that someone like Dana Brooke brutally went through
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That's a whole different issue. I personally never felt she needed to lose weight or something like that. It's a different issue when talking about how these new female talent have a well built "base" due to gymnastics background and praising them for it than to be concerned when a talent with what seems to the viewer to be a good physical basis for the industry, like Sasha Banks, beginning to look like she's have body image or health issues and getting skinnier for no apparent reason to an outsider. You can praise one's physique for being good for this industry while also being being concerned for that physique deteriorating to what appears an unhealthy direction. And are we just going to pretend multiple posters on this board have not mocked Nia Jax for her appearance?
 
Jussi said:
That's a whole different issue. I personally never felt she needed to lose weight or something like that. It's a different issue when talking about how these new female talent have a well built "base" due to gymnastics background and praising them for it than to be concerned when a talent with what seems to the viewer to be a good physical basis for the industry, like Sasha Banks, beginning to look like she's have body image or health issues and getting skinnier for no apparent reason to an outsider. You can praise one's physique for being good for this industry while also being being concerned for that physique deteriorating to what appears an unhealthy direction. And are we just going to pretend multiple posters on this board have not mocked Nia Jax for her appearance?
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The thing with Nia Jax is that her weight legitimately effects her in-ring ability and makes her dangerous. Hell, the first minute she made her comeback she came down 100% on Ripley with the Banzai Drop. She's had multiple knee surgeries due to her being a much bigger woman. Matches legitimately had to be structured differently because of her size and inability to keep up.

That right there is a reason to be "concerned about a physique" - I'm not going to harp on someone who slimmed down a bit. If they started breaking bones left and right, sure.

I haven't seen one woman or man that suddenly made me concerned or had me questioning health issues (which is a f***ing stupid thing to do by the way) - especially with zero evidence. Becky slimmed down due to her training, Bliss has gotten a bit smaller, Sasha, Dakota etc. I can't for the life of me remember thinking "Geez, these women may have health issues"
 
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This since has become the everything Mone thread....good for her for sticking up for her principles and leaving WWE, she was an okay wrestler and maybe she will not have missed a beat however given her light ring schedule it may take time to get back in the swing of things, I don't think she's worth seven figures on an annual basis, good for her if someone was willing to pay that much.
 
Emperoreddy said:
It's also hard to get past that the Mone character feels like a step down from Sasha Banks.

She has been injured but I don't think you can say she has raised her stock after a WWE exit like Mox, Cody, or Drew did for example.
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She was injured and iced herself out in WWE, so she’s basically been out for going on 2 years now aside from 5 matches.

Mox, Cody, and Drew came out and did the schedule. They were out every weekend, whereas Mercedes basically only had a deal that was once a month before she got hurt. That was also pre-Covid and pre-AEW where the indy scene was more robust, but there just aren’t as many opportunities for women anyways out there. It would’ve been more helpful if she did more stuff with Stardom.

All of this being said under the auspices that she evidently got what she felt she’s worth despite that.
 
BostonBob said:
Honey - I'm coming home.

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People were thinking he was showing up Monday or even as the LWO surprise on Tuesday.

Smackdown feels more likely as putting him back with Zelina and aligning him with LWO makes the most sense for him, and you get a pretty natural feud with Legado 2.0.

They also like to keep couples together and Charlotte is currently on Smackdown even if she is out injured.
 
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Honey - I'm coming home.

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No love for Guevara?! :laugh:

Emperoreddy said:
People were thinking he was showing up Monday or even as the LWO surprise on Tuesday.

Smackdown feels more likely as putting him back with Zelina and aligning him with LWO makes the most sense for him, and you get a pretty natural feud with Legado 2.0.

They also like to keep couples together and Charlotte is currently on Smackdown even if she is out injured.
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He naturally fits in the LWO/Santos faction, problem is, I dunno which side. I think he works better as a heel, but was at his best with Zelina.

Honestly think the last piece for Santos' group should be Raquel. Drop the smiley "Check out my back" shit and let her beat the piss out of women as a heel.
 
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