For me, they don’t have much going for them at the moment. I enjoy the matches but the story is poor and there is little hype week to week. They still do well on ppv but for the week to week grind the interest just isn’t there. They need something other than MJF. Ospreay can’t get into the mix soon enough.
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i don't see why WWE would dump a tonne of cash on her when TK doesn't care about women's wrestling
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JordanStaal#1Fan
Oh, it will translate to more eyes on WWE. I do not think it will impact AEW's viewership.
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Especially since she kinda sucks. They have like 5 to 10 better options internally. No need to splurge for someone who is not going to be a neddle mover for them.
Jussi
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Throwing out a prediction that we'll see AJ Lee in the Rumble next year and possibly in the HOF too.
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I haven't looked forward to Raw this much in a very long time. Hoping it opens with a CM Punk promo.
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Yeah, I didn't know about her neck until after posting that. So that rules out the Rumble but not HOF. I thought she looked fine on Heels season 2 the couple of episodes she was in but then I remembered that the credits listed a stunt double for her as well, which I thought was odd at the time. Now that makes sense.
Jussi
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There are two things that will kill AEW:
1. Shad finally having enough of his money being blown by Tony. (This can, of course, be countered if they hit it big on their TV deal)
2. Them doing some dumb shit and getting taken off the air like how NWA just lost their CW deal... BTW, with the whole NWA stupidity being so recent, you'd think they wouldn't allow one wrestler to drink another wrestler's blood, but here we are.
All this being said, just because AEW may stay "Alive" doesn't mean it's good. End of the day, Tony would still rather be a BFF to his heroes than be a boss and run a company, and he has zero idea how to book beyond drawing names out of a hat and having "Dream matches".
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I'll tell you what, I'm loving what AEW has done for wrestling. I'm personally a bigger WWE fan, but, not since the 90's has there been legit competition for the WWE and we finally have it. This is exactly what happened 30 or so years ago. All the sudden, someone with very deep pockets popped up and forced WWE to bust out of complacency and start focusing on storylines as well as opening up the purse and getting some new/headlining talent themselves.
I've said before, IMO (and the opinion of insanely high ratings), wrestling has never been better than the WCW vs. WWE days. Every single Monday night was must-see and it usually delivered. I'm really thinking/hoping those days are back and we now have TWO awesome promotions to discuss.
I've said before, IMO (and the opinion of insanely high ratings), wrestling has never been better than the WCW vs. WWE days. Every single Monday night was must-see and it usually delivered. I'm really thinking/hoping those days are back and we now have TWO awesome promotions to discuss.
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Absolutely. AEW being good is good for WWE fans because it forces them to be on top of their game.
I don't doubt that Tony would be dumb enough to think she's a major draw, so I'm not saying it wont happen... But she's not a major draw. She's even less of a draw without her WWE name.
... And then there's the problem where you can add her all you want, but AEW's women's division is still abysmal. Maybe one or two people she can work with and then she's pretty useless.
Ehh, is that what happened though? The timeline of WWE's massive improvement creatively fits Triple H taking over creative more than it does AEW starting. Vince was still booking awful shit well into AEW's existence. (And at a time when WWE was much more worried about AEW)
Overall I think AEW is a good thing. (A great thing for the workers) But I don't know that you can credit them for WWE's improvement simply because WWE still sucked until Vince got the boot.
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Certainly some credit goes to Vince finally leaving, but Cody coming back revamped, Jade Cargill debut being shown the way it was (though nothing has happened yet), and now Punk's return doesn't happen without AEW. Based on AEW creative, I personally don't think the Damage CRTL storyline doesn't happen either.
And I'm not just looking at WWE. AEW trying their best to keep up with WWE will only make the wrestling landscape better as a whole.
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Mone would have had the brinks truck maybe when she was released or even 6 months ago. But she hasnt really done shit in wrestling after WWE
I think Cody comes back and is treated seriously, but isn't nearly the level of star without AEW. Jade, honestly, probably ends up in the PC if there was no AEW and ahead of her current development.
Punk sure as hell doesn't come back, though. Or at least if he does, it's not as big of a buzz as it is now, after what's happened.
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I am the first person to trash her as a talent and as a draw, but getting hurt surely did not help her establish a post-WWE identity. She did not "fade" because she sucked, she faded because she got hurt. She still is a name and she would draw attention at first... but it wouldn't last because 1) she sucks 2) AEW has no one for her to really work with.
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Bringing in Mercedes because Punk went to WWE, that’s just simply not a practical counter. Are you going to put her in main events of PPV’s?
This has been understated, but this is a tremendous personal failure for Tony Khan. How this got to this point has been discussed, but his vision of AEW from the jump was to get CM Punk out of retirement and be the top person in the company. Instead he served up yet another guy who so many people believed would AND could never go back, to perhaps reach goals that were not attainable to them previously.
This has been understated, but this is a tremendous personal failure for Tony Khan. How this got to this point has been discussed, but his vision of AEW from the jump was to get CM Punk out of retirement and be the top person in the company. Instead he served up yet another guy who so many people believed would AND could never go back, to perhaps reach goals that were not attainable to them previously.
Cody would have dicked around doing the Cardona circuit for a couple years. Maybe do the G1. I agree that he would still make his way back once he hit a higher level of star power than he ever achieved in WWE though. The same exact thing he did, just without AEW as one of those stepping stones.
I don't blame him for any of it. I just got sick of the character and the "I CANT GO BACK!" crap that he spewed, on top of his unborn baby being the broker of racial equality.
TheBeastCoast
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....Punk being a child is mostly to blame for him flaming out of AEW lol arguably Tony's biggest mistake was not firing him for the presser which started Brawl Out.
I think Cody's endgame the entire time was go away and prove his value so that he could come back.
It's just that without AEW, he doesn't get as big of a platform to prove his worth... And WWE doesn't have the incentive to heavily promote him to entice other AEW talent.
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Tony’s biggest mistake was not having order within the locker room that would not have allowed that to escalate to that point. As a result, he’s watching his competitor build his visions.
There was a time he felt that he couldn’t go back and that he basically burned his boats.
Tony's biggest mistake is not establishing any order from the start lol. (And continuing not to as things evolved)
Punk shouldn't have to be the one to go tell Jungle Boy you're not doing a spot with real glass. Tony should've be the f***ing boss instead of his BFF and told him, "I'm paying you, you're not doing it." Similarly, Tony shouldn't have been cow-towing to Punk saying who was and wasn't allowed at Collision, to include his head of talent relations.
Firing him after Brawl Out was likely not an option. Legally, firing a guy because he got into a fight with 3 guys angrily busting into his locker-room isn't going to go well. They came to him. They outnumbered him. Even if he and Ace did more damage, those two factors are in their favor.
During AEW when he was sledgehammering his throne, or before AEW?
That matters considering the conversation is about AEW's hypothetical non-existence.
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