Threads like this are why I barely come here anymore. Yeah we're 7-2-1 and not 10-0 let's trade our best defenseman that'll fix it. Great hockey-talk here.
All Purpose Morgan Rielly Discussion
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Notsince67
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But he’s not played like our best defenseman. Homerism like this is why it’s hard to have conversations here.
he’s been awful by the metrics, his decision making has become worse somehow and he’s handling the puck like a live grenade in his zone.
Personally I think talks of trading Rielly *now* are reactionary. But at the same time I'd really like to see Dermott given a chance to see what he can do, and am certainly not convinced that a 7-8 million dollar Rielly is the right path forward for this team.
Yup. A lot of people here don't realize it isn't easy to get a Morgan Rielly or replace a Morgan Rielly. No Travis Dermott can't replace Rielly.
7even
Offered and lost
Rielly's value on the PP is as a facilitator. He's the only defenseman on the team with the feet and the hands to keep up with guys like Marner and Matthews. The plays and passes they go for are high danger but also have a high barrier of execution. Rielly can execute. His job is all about puck movement, being an outlet from the boards, and resetting coverage.
The guy has clear negatives to his game, but don't shortchange the very real fact that he's an elite offensive player.
Pound for pound as an offensive catalyst and puck rusher certainly not. But do we need to replace that? Is that skillset worth 8m to this team?
CantLoseWithMatthews
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Rielly's actual impact is a lot easier to replace than you might think, especially factoring in salary. It helps that he's one of the worst defensemen in hockey. Not an identical situation, but the Rangers just placed DeAngelo on waivers and he's a very comparable player (although they're polar opposites as people)
Martin Skoula
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I'll specifically key in on him next game, maybe I'm wrong. I genuinely can't remember the last "wow" play he made, maybe Tavares feeding him in OT? The game last week where he got 3 points, every single one of them was an incredibly underwhelming 5-foot pass with no pressure followed by Marner and Matthews doing all the actual work.
He was an offensive force 2 years ago, but he hasn't been that guy ever since. He looks slower and a lot dumber. As someone else mentioned, the PP does better without him in just about every category.
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OldTimeHockey
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Pretty tough to take you serious when you throw claims like this around. I have no issue with people criticizing Rielly for legitimate reasons. To call him 'one of the worst dmen in hockey" is not a legitimate talking point. At least bring something to the table.
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ToneDog
56 years and counting. #FireTheShanaClan!
ShaneFalco
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I think Barrie lowered his IQ
Racer88
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The scary part of all this will be if Dubas is still the GM when his contract comes up.
We can pretty much be assured of a gross overpayment
We can pretty much be assured of a gross overpayment
Critical13
Fear is the mind-killer.
BertCorbeau
F*ck cancer - RIP Fugu and Buffaloed
This off-season should be the time to either extend him, or move on IMO.
Personally, I don't know if I want to re-sign him long term at what's likely going to be a raise. Then again, in a flat cap era, it might not be that bad of a raise.
Still, with Sandin and Liljegren waiting in the wings and Dermott playing well there may be an opportunity to move Rielly pre-expansion trade in a trade to free cap up space, a protection spot, and get some assets in return.
Next year Muzzin and Holl are still a solid pair, Dermott pairs up with Brodie who would be a valuable insulating partner, and Sandin gets into the line up. Retain a guy like Bogo and maybe sign another cheap veteran defender, and there you go.
Cap savings can to towards re-signing Hyman.
Personally, I don't know if I want to re-sign him long term at what's likely going to be a raise. Then again, in a flat cap era, it might not be that bad of a raise.
Still, with Sandin and Liljegren waiting in the wings and Dermott playing well there may be an opportunity to move Rielly pre-expansion trade in a trade to free cap up space, a protection spot, and get some assets in return.
Next year Muzzin and Holl are still a solid pair, Dermott pairs up with Brodie who would be a valuable insulating partner, and Sandin gets into the line up. Retain a guy like Bogo and maybe sign another cheap veteran defender, and there you go.
Cap savings can to towards re-signing Hyman.
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Captain14
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This is also a concern of mine. If they want to resign him, the offer needs to be no more than they would pay for a 2nd pairing Dman.
I would rather they move him if the return is there.
OldTimeHockey
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Did Babcock's system benefit Rielly?
He looks like a different Dman under keefe, and not in a good way.
He looks like a different Dman under keefe, and not in a good way.
Martin Skoula
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Going from "get the puck and immediately lob a stretch pass" to "get the puck and make a smart decision based on what's available" has been tough for him.
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trellaine201
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I can’t believe fans are trashing him. Fine. Play without him and see what happens. *rolls eyes*
Maplebeasts
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I can. He's been straight shit so far this season. Not actually doing any heavy lifting offensively and getting destroyed analytically on the ice.
