All Purpose Mitch Marner Talk II

[ZEBROA]

This is exactly my point

The vibe your giving off is he is doing good great but he won’t keep it up.

Giving a backhanded compliment then adding a but is sad.

Yeah and you read that like satan read the bible. Keep on being hurt by nothing. If he keep this up all season he will be considered as good as McDavid. If u think being a step below McD is thinking to low of Marner, then i cant help u. Keeping this up means first or second in points. Plus keeping up the work ethic and focus. I dont expect any player to do that in a season like this. But i hope he pull it off.

 

[LeafsNation75]

I think the genesis of this Marner vs Nylander debate has to do with the early Toronto rebuild looking a bit like Chicago's. They had Toews and Kane and we were looking for some equivalency of Matthews and Marner/Nylander, so obviously we couldn't have 2 homegrown star wingers... and the post-ELC contract situation just made it worse because ultimately we may still need to balance out the team and add an elite defenseman, probably at the cost of one of them.

I'm not comparing Matthews, Marner, or Nylander to these players but isn't Toronto's rebuild more similar to Pittsburgh and not Chicago's? I know you mention the Toews and Kane example being some equivalency of Matthews and Marner/Nylander. However in the 2004 Draft Pittsburgh selected Malkin 2nd overall, in the 2005 Draft they selected Crosby 1st overall, and in the 2006 Draft they selected Staal 2nd overall. Besides all three being selected in the top 3 their position is also Centre. The only difference that Kyle Dubas has not done is end up trading Marner or Nylander since Pittsburgh traded Staal to Carolina at the 2012 Draft.

 

[MattySnipes]

Well he's definitely feeling some type of way. I hope it doesn't stop, but reality says he will cool down. Check out these numbers at all-strengths. He is HOT.

He is 1st in TOI and rush attempts, 2nd in goals with 5 (some EN pts) and has 7 primary assists to put him 1st in league scoring with 12 points. He is 3rd among wingers in terms of individual expected goals with 2.8.

I would like to see him improve on two things. First, clean up his giveaways. He has given it away 9 times, to 4 takeaways. Second, his ability to create individual high-danger shot attempts. He only has 5 through 8 games which is good for 7th worst. Nylander, Rust, and Puljujarvi with 11, 12, and 14 iHDCF respectively which leaves them near the top.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This was before Marner signed his current 6 year/$10.893 million contract because at the time he was in the 2nd year of his ELC. However I do remember him being the Maple Leafs best player in their 2018 playoff series against Boston, when he had 9 points in the seven games.

Also the Florida Panthers have not won a playoff series since 1996 when they defeated Pittsburgh in the Eastern Conference Final. Toronto has not won a playoff series since the 2004 Eastern Conference Quarter-Finals against Ottawa, so there is one team who has gone longer without winning a playoff series.

I remember that quite well which why I found it odd that another poster talking about playoff hockey being different and Marner being elite no matter what or whatever. There is no reason not to judge Marner's playoff performances differently than anyone else.

Were ahead of FLA in that regard then, good to know.

Yeah and you read that like satan read the bible. Keep on being hurt by nothing. If he keep this up all season he will be considered as good as McDavid. If u think being a step below McD is thinking to low of Marner, then i cant help u. Keeping this up means first or second in points. Plus keeping up the work ethic and focus. I dont expect any player to do that in a season like this. But i hope he pull it off.

McDavid, wow! It's been 8 games, calm down.

 

[ZEBROA]

McDavid, wow! It's been 8 games, calm down.

I just said i hope he keeps this up but i dont expect him to, because that would make him end the season on McD level. But you can always hope. I hope Nylander get ppg. But i dont expect him to either. That makes me a Nylander fanboy and Marner hater apparently.

 

[DarkKnight]

I do find it interesting that Keefe gave Marner the heads up about increased ice time going into the off season. One, it shows Keefe was prepared. Two, Marner prepared, his training regime was designed to take the grind. It is noteworthy that Marner seems to be handling the minutes with ease, I can’t recall many instances of looking gassed, anything on the bench, cheating to conserve energy, he literally looks like a machine leading the league in forward minutes.

 

[Brobust]

Well he's definitely feeling some type of way. I hope it doesn't stop, but reality says he will cool down. Check out these numbers at all-strengths. He is HOT.

He is 1st in TOI and rush attempts, 2nd in goals with 5 (some EN pts) and has 7 primary assists to put him 1st in league scoring with 12 points. He is 3rd among wingers in terms of individual expected goals with 2.8.

I would like to see him improve on two things. First, clean up his giveaways. He has given it away 9 times, to 4 takeaways. Second, his ability to create individual high-danger shot attempts. He only has 5 through 8 games which is good for 7th worst. Nylander, Rust, and Puljujarvi with 11, 12, and 14 iHDCF respectively which leaves them near the top.

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Forget his shooting percentage, he's the King of the 1st assist.

 

[Notsince67]

I do find it interesting that Keefe gave Marner the heads up about increased ice time going into the off season. One, it shows Keefe was prepared. Two, Marner prepared, his training regime was designed to take the grind. It is noteworthy that Marner seems to be handling the minutes with ease, I can’t recall many instances of looking gassed, anything on the bench, cheating to conserve energy, he literally looks like a machine leading the league in forward minutes.

The only time I saw him really gassed was in the jets game when he got stuck out there with Bogo serving a whole penalty kill.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I hope he keep this up all season. I dont expect it, but i hope.

They haven’t even shown any dominance at any time during these 8 games. They always have stretches where they are just lights out together. He’ll maintain a point per game. If he has a good year and keeps shooting and himself and Matthews keep trying get Mitch shooting its a good deal. Mitch knows Auston can score. Now Matthews is trying to get Marner scoring so they are harder to cover. This is evolving really. I really like their thinking. Cover the shooter and block the passer isn’t going to be possible when Matthews teaches Marner how to shoot it. That one timer he scored the winner on surprised everyone including me.
Best part of these two is the defensive play they have worked on hard, it’s not all points anymore with these two, they are good defensively most of the time too.
I think they keep rolling if all goes well health wise

 

[Dekes For Days]

Playoff success is what it's all about and I will judge this team and all of it's players mostly on how they perform in the playoffs, period.

Perceived to have made a mistake: Endless comments and criticisms...
Leading the entire league: Yeah, but like, it's not the playoffs man, who cares...

I'm not sure why some people don't understand the importance of the regular season. If we do good in the regular season, maybe we can actually play a team in the playoffs that has a worse record than us, for the first time.

 

[ToneDog]

Perceived to have made a mistake: Endless comments and criticisms...
Leading the entire league: Yeah, but like, it's not the playoffs man, who cares...

I'm not sure why some people don't understand the importance of the regular season. If we do good in the regular season, maybe we can actually play a team in the playoffs that has a worse record than us, for the first time.

Didn't Leafs have better record than the Jackets in their last "playoff" series ??

 

[Dekes For Days]

Didn't Leafs have better record than the Jackets in their last "playoff" series ??

Both had 81 points in 70 games, and that probably similarly underrepresented the quality of both teams, since I believe both were top-3 in injury impact.

 

[Gary Nylund]

all about the beast in the manster known as SuperMitch

Opinion | The Maple Leafs are getting even more out of Mitch Marner since he learned to fly

So now you know, he looks faster and he looks better because he is better this year and will only get better

Thanks for sharing this, surprised this post didn't get more likes. Everyone reading a thread about Marner who hasn't read this should read it before posting again. This is impressive stuff and it makes me think that even though I think we should have got him to sign for less, he might even be full value for his contract in at least 1-2-3 of the years it runs. The guy's talented as f*** and is working his ass off, that's an excellent combination that usually leads to excellent results.

Go Mitch!!

Here is Marner's scoring log for all of his goals and assists this season, which show all of his 7 assists so far have been primary assists.

Mitch Marner 2020-21 Scoring Log | Hockey-Reference.com

I'm not that big on stats but that's a cool one.

I'm happy he's getting all these points early, points are easier to come by early in the season, some empty netters in there and I know he's playing a ton of minutes and some people think PPG is all that matters (I disagree) but no matter how you slice it, he's off to a good to great start which can only be good for his confidence.

 

[Notsince67]

Well he's definitely feeling some type of way. I hope it doesn't stop, but reality says he will cool down. Check out these numbers at all-strengths. He is HOT.

He is 1st in TOI and rush attempts, 2nd in goals with 5 (some EN pts) and has 7 primary assists to put him 1st in league scoring with 12 points. He is 3rd among wingers in terms of individual expected goals with 2.8.

I would like to see him improve on two things. First, clean up his giveaways. He has given it away 9 times, to 4 takeaways. Second, his ability to create individual high-danger shot attempts. He only has 5 through 8 games which is good for 7th worst. Nylander, Rust, and Puljujarvi with 11, 12, and 14 iHDCF respectively which leaves them near the top.

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1. 9 takeaways [edit giveaways] in 8 games is not catastrophic when someone has the puck on his stick as much as he has.
2. He is an elite playmaker with a responsibility to make sure he can find our best goal scorer for the best chance of a goal. His dangerous passing including behind the net (Willy missed a gimme set up last game from him) and royal road passes are among the best in the nhl. I daresay he is one of the largest contributors to high danger shots.

 

[Wafflewhipper]

I just want to point out that when you hear on Tsn or Sportsnet that Marner is leading all forwards in the League in ice time, go check again. He is not leading all forwards in Offensive ice time or even strength ice time or Powerplay ice time.

There are high profile players playing strictly offensive minutes. That means they are rested more every game. That stat is combined ice time and most of the elite scorers don’t play a sniff of penalty kill ice time.

Matthews gets more offensive ice time per game for instance. I haven’t checked his powerplay ice time against the best yet so thats not factored in to this post yet. The guy is on his game. He helps us in more ways than mostly all other production players on every team.

Other words he is becoming the best Multi tool high end forward in the league before our eyes. Fun to watch and be on top of. He’s still working on so much and building his game. Sky is the limit here Leafers. He’s not ever going to stop improving until his game starts to drop off from age likely. This is so much just beginning.

Enjoy. Here are the ice time metrics. Marchand and Marner are in a league of their own for penalty kill minutes for highly productive star players. Nobody is even close to them. Matthews and Marner are also way down the list for Powerplay minutes at 114th and 127th. But here is the link anyways. Kopitar is still a awesome multi tool player, just wanted to give him a shout too because the guy is ageless defensively. The kind of veteran you trade a bunch of picks for and prospects if you want to win a cup. 2020-21 NHL Skater Time On Ice Statistics | Hockey-Reference.com

 

[MattySnipes]

1. 9 takeaways in 8 games is not catastrophic when someone has the puck on his stick as much as he has.
2. He is an elite playmaker with a responsibility to make sure he can find our best goal scorer for the best chance of a goal. His dangerous passing including behind the net (Willy missed a gimme set up last game from him) and royal road passes are among the best in the nhl. I daresay he is one of the largest contributors to high danger shots.

Agreed. 9 giveaways though. Think you just made typo. I understand.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I do find it interesting that Keefe gave Marner the heads up about increased ice time going into the off season. One, it shows Keefe was prepared. Two, Marner prepared, his training regime was designed to take the grind. It is noteworthy that Marner seems to be handling the minutes with ease, I can’t recall many instances of looking gassed, anything on the bench, cheating to conserve energy, he literally looks like a machine leading the league in forward minutes.

Makes sense that he never looks gassed. Hunter used to play him for 2-3 minutes at a time at the end of a game to get a goal in London

 

[Notsince67]

Agreed. 9 giveaways though. Think you just made typo. I understand.

yeah

 

[Wafflewhipper]

Didn't Leafs have better record than the Jackets in their last "playoff" series ??

Tied i though points %

 

[MattySnipes]

all about the beast in the manster known as SuperMitch

Opinion | The Maple Leafs are getting even more out of Mitch Marner since he learned to fly


So now you know, he looks faster and he looks better because he is better this year and will only get better

Great article. I love hearing about off-season training. Heard about Matthews training pretty late. And with Mitch didn't hear anything until now. Cool story. Excited to see how he improves annually. Good stuff Mitch.

 

[Dayjobdave]

Big night for Mitch tonight to show once again that he belongs in the 'big 4 conversation with Matthews, McDavid and Leon.

 

[Notsince67]

Big night for Mitch tonight to show once again that he belongs in the 'big 4 conversation with Matthews, McDavid and Leon.

I suspect the first line will be a stalemate. I have a feeling that this game will be determined by the 4th line

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Makes sense that he never looks gassed. Hunter used to play him for 2-3 minutes at a time at the end of a game to get a goal in London

Wish I could find the video but I remember in juniors they had him on the PK and it looked like a man amongst Timbits. What seemed like pretty much the whole kill the puck never left his stick. Just skated from one end of the ice to the other dippsy-doodling around everyone.

I watched so many videos of him in his junior days that just made my jaw drop. Stuff that most people couldn't even think to do let alone execute them.

 

[zeke]

Big night for Mitch tonight to show once again that he belongs in the 'big 4 conversation with Matthews, McDavid and Leon.

just wanted to refresh my memory on some stats here.

3 year stats (including this season):

McDavid (24): EV 2.92p/60, 2.35p1/60, 15.0oish% -- PP 8.39p/60, 6.43p1/60, 16.0oish%
Draisaitl (25): EV 2.79p/60, 2.14p1/60, 18.5oish% -- PP 7.74p/60, 5.98p1/60, 23.7oish%
Marner (23): EV 2.67p/60, 2.30p1/60, 10.6oish% -- PP 6.86p/60, 4.43p1/60, 10.3oish%
Auston (23): EV 2.63p/60, 2.20p1/60, 14.0oish% -- PP 6.64p/60, 5.48p1/60, 18.2oish%

Oilers duo ahead, but not by as much as people think, and a lot of that has to do with arguably less generous 2nd assists stats awarded by leafs scorers. The Oilers duo also boosted by a record-setting PP performance last year (best PP since the 70s, and 3rd best PP in league history), which was likely unsustainable.

Marner in particular hasn't benefitted from the kind of oish% you'd expect from this kind of player. You'd expect that number to increase significantly, at both strengths. On the other end, Draisaitl's oish% seems too high even for an elite player, at both strengths, and should probably regress down.

And of course all of this is with the leafs' duo actually playing some semblance of defense, while the oilers duo' just doesn't bother doing that anymore.

 

[Rants Mulliniks]

Great article. I love hearing about off-season training. Heard about Matthews training pretty late. And with Mitch didn't hear anything until now. Cool story. Excited to see how he improves annually. Good stuff Mitch.

Sounds like he was looking at tabata. Do a 15 second sprint, 1:45 walk, 30 second sprint, 1:30 walk, 45 second sprint, 1:15 walk etc. In 16 minutes you get one hell of a cardio lesson.