Arizonatah Coyetis
Formerly Kai Yo T
The Coyote's "path" would most likely end in failure anywhere, not just in Arizona.
Those are the hockey “fans”, right? If your “chicken or egg” is as you say, it further proves the “nutless” part of my decade+ mantra.You're trolling.
The Coyotes didn't become the joke of the NHL because the fans didn't show up. The fans didn't show up because the Coyotes became the joke of the NHL.
Those are the hockey “fans”, right? If your “chicken or egg” is as you say, it further proves the “nutless” part of my decade+ mantra.
Call the truth trolling if you like, you’re free to stop responding.
I disagree, most places have some heart and soul. These fans that you keep making excuses for should have shown up, helped the team get established and enjoyed our great sport. Then if the team continually failed, at least an owner with a clue would have been interested.The Coyote's "path" would most likely end in failure anywhere, not just in Arizona.
More like they kicked themselves in the nuts… sick bastards!You see nutless, I see people not willingly lining up to get repeatedly kicked in the nuts.
That’s because the business was run poorly and they’re discussing business. The business could have been run well with better owners, there is a reason we couldn’t attract them here. The reason is apathy within the “fan” base.In the last 15 years of slugging it out in BOH, one thing that was consistent was most of the true business types who posted there were never critical of Arizona as a hockey market itself. Their criticism was more directed in how the market was bungled by the various ownership groups.
I think you're discounting the effect of the decades long relocation drama combined with a terrible on ice product. I was a STH for 5 years. I decided I wasn't going to spend money on garbage teams that might not be here next season. I wasn't willing to get that emotionally invested in the team anymore and I lived a mile from the arena. You are obviously someone that will go no matter what. You are rare my friend and quite frankly, teams would have zero incentive to win if every fan was like you. We only have one way to show the owner we demand better performance and that's with our $$. The reason the team isn't here has zero to do with the fans anyway. We just never got a decent owner with deep enough pockets to run the team properly. It was always a bargaining chip to our grifters.They don't love hockey too much, if they were willing to let an NHL team leave their community. But yes, I agree, lotsa "hockey fans," trouble is too many are fair weather, bandwagon jumping, root for the teams from the cities they used to live in, nutless puking excuses for hockey fans. I've been saying this pre-bankruptcy and look where we are because the "fans" you taut refused to assimilate.
That’s because the business was run poorly and they’re discussing business. The business could have been run well with better owners, there is a reason we couldn’t attract them here. The reason is apathy within the “fan” base.
I’m not sure how anyone can argue differently, when they couldn’t even sell out 4,500 seats with a team that was a lot of fun to watch.
Most of us got tired of getting kicked in the nuts by all the owners and the NHL. Toss in a garbage on ice product and they couldn't have done more to push the fans away if they told them to just not come.You're trolling.
The Coyotes didn't become the joke of the NHL because the fans didn't show up. The fans didn't show up because the Coyotes became the joke of the NHL.
Same with the Cardinals, Suns and Dbacks but there's no relocation drama around them. Our hockey team has been cursed.The “apathy” term is just another excuse itself.
Even Chicago fans bailed when the team was run like shit. But they immediately came back. Hell… they still bail when the team is losing halfway into the third.
Fans want both…. A secure ownership and a product to watch that performs for them.
Not one or the other.
Aaaand look where that got us.I think you're discounting the effect of the decades long relocation drama combined with a terrible on ice product. I was a STH for 5 years. I decided I wasn't going to spend money on garbage teams that might not be here next season. I wasn't willing to get that emotionally invested in the team anymore and I lived a mile from the arena. You are obviously someone that will go no matter what. You are rare my friend and quite frankly, teams would have zero incentive to win if every fan was like you. We only have one way to show the owner we demand better performance and that's with our $$. The reason the team isn't here has zero to do with the fans anyway. We just never got a decent owner with deep enough pockets to run the team properly. It was always a bargaining chip to our grifters.
What they should want more than anything is a team. Chicago can afford to “show ownership” how it needs to be, we couldn’t anyone so shortsighted as to not see that is / was a fool, or just stupid.The “apathy” term is just another excuse itself.
Even Chicago fans bailed when the team was run like shit. But they immediately came back. Hell… they still bail when the team is losing halfway into the third.
Fans want both…. A secure ownership and a product to watch that performs for them.
Not one or the other.
But how much of that fan apathy was caused by the poorly run business? I'd argue that the business was as much of a problem as the lack of on-ice success - and that the poorly run business built the fan "apathy".That’s because the business was run poorly and they’re discussing business. The business could have been run well with better owners, there is a reason we couldn’t attract them here. The reason is apathy within the “fan” base.
I’m not sure how anyone can argue differently, when they couldn’t even sell out 4,500 seats with a team that was a lot of fun to watch.
I was legitimately concerned Mullet was going to be filled with Oiler fans at the last game in existence. That the players were going to have to listen to “let’s go oilers” on their way out the door.It's really hard for anyone to argue for the fanbase when Mullet was regularly not full at times in last 2 seasons. And yes I'm as guilty as most.
While I agree with you, I would say there is a difference between being a fan of team and being a fan of the sport and thus symphetizing and rooting for the local team.I think most people have a little more brand loyalty and attachment to "their" specific teams than that. Not that you're alone or anything.
I'm not even going to instantly become a Coyote fan again if Meruelo revives a team. They're going to have to earn it this time.
Congratulations on your retirement. I hope you get to enjoy your golden years and also that you only know what day of the week it by what trashcans are lined up out front.Where will the auction be held? I just retired on May 1st and I have nothing but time on my hands.
I wouldn't mind going to the auction if the public is allowed.
Hockey fans that want to keep their team.Who should be expected to make an emotional and financial investment when there was no guarantee the team would exist beyond the current year?
Pretty much and I don't see why folks get defensive about it. It's pretty simple, if the team is supported the team will stay. To think fans are holding the team accountable in some way by not attending is ridiculous imo. the additional revenue from playoffs, the prestige of the owners team succeeding etc. is more than enough incentive for performance.While I agree with you, I would say there is a difference between being a fan of team and being a fan of the sport and thus symphetizing and rooting for the local team.
Both are valid and I think that @Coyotedroppings is the latter kind of fan.
Pretty much and I don't see why folks get defensive about it. It's pretty simple, if the team is supported the team will stay. To think fans are holding the team accountable in some way by not attending is ridiculous imo. the additional revenue from playoffs, the prestige of the owners team succeeding etc. is more than enough incentive for performance.
Knew I could get the ol’ denial train rolling again. Keep the excuses flowing boys!
Thank you, although I'm bored already. Going to have to find something to do to keep me busy.Congratulations on your retirement. I hope you get to enjoy your golden years and also that you only know what day of the week it by what trashcans are lined up out front.
Happy Retirement to you.
When the Coyote's first moved to the Valley, there were plenty of fans and a good team. Since then the fans have been kicked in the balls, slapped in the ace, had a boot or two shoved up their ass, lied to for years. You can't keep on asking and not giving. IF you go to a show and don't like what you saw, you don't go back 40 more times to watch the same show because you want to support the theatre. You want something where you feel your entertainment dollar was well spent. The fans aren't to blame for this mess. It's been 25 yrs. and we had what, two or three good years to watch hockey, and even then there was constant threat of moving etc. We all praise Bettman for keeping the team here, but he and the NHL screwed up by not running the team like a NHL team so the Coyotes could attract a solid buyer.Pretty much and I don't see why folks get defensive about it. It's pretty simple, if the team is supported the team will stay. To think fans are holding the team accountable in some way by not attending is ridiculous imo. the additional revenue from playoffs, the prestige of the owners team succeeding etc. is more than enough incentive for performance.