Coach Discussion: All Purpose Coaching Thread Part III

[Howard Chuck]

I think Maurice's dogged committment to this line will spell the end of his time here. It's too big an issue to ignore. When you're supposed top scoring players are getting outchanced to this degree, and play almost half the game, you're going to likely lose more than you win, unless you happen to have a goalie playing like a Vezina candidate like the Jets do right now.

It's going beyond some of us seeing it here and complaining. The hockey people in general have been calling this out for a while. It seems that everyone but Maurice sees it as an issue.

Again, he's not a stupid guy, I just don't know why he is doing this to the team.

I'll reference the Athletic article again, where Boston and St Louis have done a lot of research into the detrimental effect of poor player load management.

I wish we had a coach that would make reasonable, well researched decisions.

 

[Howard Chuck]

who in the organization is going to go full Jim Lites on Scheif and Wheeler

I think part of the problem is that no one in the organization says anything about 55/26, whether they believe it's an issue or not.

It makes me angry that the team I love is being handcuffed like this. We could be watching much better hockey this year if sensible decisions were made.

 

[Spock]

It's going beyond some of us seeing it here and complaining. The hockey people in general have been calling this out for a while. It seems that everyone but Maurice sees it as an issue.

Again, he's not a stupid guy, I just don't know why he is doing this to the team.

I'll reference the Athletic article again, where Boston and St Louis have done a lot of research into the detrimental effect of player load management.

I wish we had a coach that would make reasonable, well researched decisions.

Humans have a tendency to be both stubborn and egotistical.

 

[Ducky10]

Is our sports science group not relaying this info to our coach?

I have been saying that he rides our top group way to heavily.

Pretty much EVERYONE has been saying that.

 

[Gm0ney]

But the good news is that Maurice appears to have successfully turned Patrik Laine into Adam Lowry. Rejoice, Jets fans!

 

[BoneDocUK]

But the good news is that Maurice appears to have successfully turned Patrik Laine into Adam Lowry. Rejoice, Jets fans!

At last we witness Patty's evolution into the low-scoring power forward "who can blow a guy up" that PoMo has always longed for! Take that Ron Francis! Hard on the boards! Hard on the boards!

Next up, the all-new Netfront Nik Ehlers!

 

[cbcwpg]

Any coach that wants to turns a potential 50+ goal scorer with some defensive warts into a 15 goal scorer that's good defensively, deserves to be fired. Any GM that lets his coach do this, deserves to be fired.

 

[surixon]

Any coach that wants to turns a potential 50+ goal scorer with some defensive warts into a 15 goal scorer that's good defensively, deserves to be fired. Any GM that lets his coach do this, deserves to be fired.

Well the forward is still roughly a PPG so I'm not all that concerned with how Laine's game is trending. He can now add offensive layers to his play.

My main issue is a team wide reduction in offense due to the defensive focus.

 

[cbcwpg]

My main issue is a team wide reduction in offense due to the defensive focus.

I wonder if the forwards have just taken it to the extreme. I'm sure they saw themselves or were told by Maurice that they needed to tighten up the defensive play given the basic lack of skill on defense, but have just gone too far that it's really hurting the scoring side of things. We have the same top 6 we had the last two seasons yet we could score no problem those years. Maybe 2-1 games are just going to be the norm for this team going forward or at least be the only way we will get wins.

My main issue is that if Helly was rocking a 0.906 instead of a 0.930, we may not have even won a game at this point.

 

[surixon]

I wonder if the forwards have just taken it to the extreme. I'm sure they saw themselves or were told by Maurice that they needed to tighten up the defensive play given the basic lack of skill on defense, but have just gone too far that it's really hurting the scoring side of things. We have the same top 6 we had the last two seasons yet we could score no problem those years. Maybe 2-1 games are just going to be the norm for this team going forward or at least be the only way we will get wins.

My main issue is that if Helly was rocking a 0.906 instead of a 0.930, we may not have even won a game at this point.

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the overall system at this point. If this team is going to do anything then they are going to need to start pushing the needle the other way as well. Helle is likely not going to maintain this level of play all year.

 

[BoneDocUK]

Yeah I'm not the biggest fan of the overall system at this point. If this team is going to do anything then they are going to need to start pushing the needle the other way as well. Helle is likely not going to maintain this level of play all year.

Agree. Our Bruins-type goaltending is being tempered by Wild-type offence. One of these is likely to outlast the other.

 

[surixon]

I'll post the hockey viz graphs later but the team is actually doing fairly well at preventing quality chances. That I am sure is helping Helle out a fair bit.

However the trade off to that is we are incredibly poor at generating offense.

The net result is that we are trading off too much offense for the defensive gains.

The coaching staff is going to need to find the right balance as the percentages will even out and we will start to loose more games.

 

[DRW204]

 

[cbcwpg]

It's going beyond some of us seeing it here and complaining. The hockey people in general have been calling this out for a while. It seems that everyone but Maurice sees it as an issue.

Again, he's not a stupid guy, I just don't know why he is doing this to the team.

I'll reference the Athletic article again, where Boston and St Louis have done a lot of research into the detrimental effect of poor player load management.

I wish we had a coach that would make reasonable, well researched decisions.

There are 20 forwards in the NHL that have more than 20 minutes per game played. 3 of these are Winnipeg Jets. So only 17 forwards over the rest of the league play more than 20 minutes.

Scheifele - 22:19 ( 3rd )
Wheeler - 20:53 ( 8th )
Connor - 20:09 ( 17th )

JMO, but 2 years ago it looked like Scheifele and Wheeler were burnt out by the Vegas series. Last season it looked like they burnt out in January. This season it looks like they could be gassed at the start of November.



Oh, and of note: One of the best lines in hockey ( Boston's #1 line ) has no one over 20 minutes.

 

[Duke749]

There are 20 forwards in the NHL that have more than 20 minutes per game played. 3 of these are Winnipeg Jets. So only 17 forwards over the rest of the league play more than 20 minutes.

Scheifele - 22:19 ( 3rd )
Wheeler - 20:53 ( 8th )
Connor - 20:09 ( 17th )

JMO, but 2 years ago it looked like Scheifele and Wheeler were burnt out by the Vegas series. Last season it looked like they burnt out in January. This season it looks like they could be gassed at the start of November.

I’d love to know what Connor does to deserve those kind of minutes.

 

[GNP]

Wow -all these comments are somewhat mindblowing --as if we're a last place team. We're a little over 500 right now, with a team that has lost most of it's starting defenseman.

Right now, we're not doing to badly at all, considering all the adversities we've had to face. Fans have to be patient, as we're going thru a mini rebuild on the backend right now.

Look how badly the Hawks have dropped off from being a muti championship Stanley Cup winner.

In spite of everything that's happened we're doing just fine right now.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Oh, and of note: One of the best lines in hockey ( Boston's #1 line ) has no one over 20 minutes.

Exactly! And it's because of their research into the matter. Why do we not have a coaching staff who looks into these things?

Maurice is just never going to change or attempt to learn how to make the multitude of small changes that lead to a big difference.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Wow -all these comments are somewhat mindblowing --as if we're a last place team. We're a little over 500 right now, with a team that has lost most of it's starting defenseman.

Right now, we're not doing to badly at all, considering all the adversities we've had to face. Fans have to be patient, as we're going thru a mini rebuild on the backend right now.

Look how badly the Hawks have dropped off from being a muti championship Stanley Cup winner.

In spite of everything that's happened we're doing just fine right now.

But the point is that we are squeaking by, and there are very obvious changes that could be made to make us better now, and not burn us out in the very near future.

Why just say "Hey we're good enough now" instead of "Hey we can make some simple changes that will make us much better"?

 

[Howard Chuck]

But the point is that we are squeaking by, and there are very obvious changes that could be made to make us better now, and not burn us out in the very near future.

Why just say "Hey we're good enough now" instead of "Hey we can make some simple changes that will make us much better"?

Quoting myself to add: Where did Boston and St Louis end up at the end of last season? They could have just said "Hey we're good enough", but they didn't. They said "Let's keep trying to improve, using any methods we can find to give us an advantage".

We seem to be on the complete opposite of that spectrum. We have a LOT of things that could lead to a big improvement in the team's success, but we are doing NONE of them.

 

[surixon]

Quoting myself to add: Where did Boston and St Louis end up at the end of last season? They could have just said "Hey we're good enough", but they didn't. They said "Let's keep trying to improve, using any methods we can find to give us an advantage".

We seem to be on the complete opposite of that spectrum. We have a LOT of things that could lead to a big improvement in the team's success, but we are doing NONE of them.

Yeah what is the point of having a sports science department if they are being ignored by the coaching staff.

It's just mind boggling that even if Maurice knows the players don't have much in the tank he rides them hard anyways. Just dumb roster management.

 

[surixon]

Wow -all these comments are somewhat mindblowing --as if we're a last place team. We're a little over 500 right now, with a team that has lost most of it's starting defenseman.

Right now, we're not doing to badly at all, considering all the adversities we've had to face. Fans have to be patient, as we're going thru a mini rebuild on the backend right now.

Look how badly the Hawks have dropped off from being a muti championship Stanley Cup winner.

In spite of everything that's happened we're doing just fine right now.

I am not ok with being a .500 team with our forward talent. We are doing some things well (defense) but are performing very poorly in other areas:

Even strength offense
PK
Pp

You can't just defend your way to wins in this league long term. The minute Helle goes back to a realistic level of performance .915-.920 we start dropping these close games.

 

[Hunter368]

I am not ok with being a .500 team with our forward talent. We are doing some things well (defense) but are performing very poorly in other areas:

Even strength offense
PK
Pp

You can't just defend your way to wins in this league long term. The minute Helle goes back to a realistic level of performance .915-.920 we start dropping these close games.

Agreed

This summer I said the goalies would be under siege every night and the team would go as well as the goalies go. Helle has faced amongst the most shots (high danger shots are more critical) in the NHL, not a good result.

 

[DRW204]

I'd like to see Maurice working for Jets PR

 

[Howard Chuck]

I'd like to see Maurice working for Jets PR

He's a smart, likable guy. I just don't understand his choices or stubbornness.

 

[surixon]

He's a smart, likable guy. I just don't understand his choices or stubbornness.

He is an excellent public speaker and sales man but that doesn't neccessarily mean he's highly intelligent.

I see way too much in the way of him disregarding data and stubbornness for me to buy that he's a very smart person. Just my opinion.