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That's bonkers.
On the other side, Eiserman plays with 70 flex, I think Bedard too. They're like whips not sticks.
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On the other side, Eiserman plays with 70 flex, I think Bedard too. They're like whips not sticks.
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Do they really? I use a 55 flex and probably weigh half what they do.
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I think what's so exciting about Celebrini for the franchise and leaguewide is the number of times franchises that really needed franchise-changing #1 overall, special talents have NOT gotten the luck for whatever reason, The last two true generational talents from draft day on went to teams that already had the #1 and #2 players of all time, and already won multiple Cups with them. Then Bedard goes to Chicago instead of a team that hadn't won multiple Cups with Patrick Kane. Even MacKinnon went to a team that already had won multiple Cups with Sakic and Forsberg, though he's not as egregious as the others. Maybe the closest thing other than this has been Auston Mathews with the Maple Leafs but they have a much longer history with many other storied talents, despite not having much playoff success.
IMO this concentration of wealth has been one of the limiters on league growth in the past, you just never had that kind of exciting talent, success, and marketing value in smaller/nontraditional markets.
IMO this concentration of wealth has been one of the limiters on league growth in the past, you just never had that kind of exciting talent, success, and marketing value in smaller/nontraditional markets.
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I've heard of a ton more NHL players using whippy sticks now.
I use a 75, I tested a 67 or something a few weeks ago and liked it
This is the correct approach. Stick flex should be roughly half your weight or less.
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Matthews uses around 70 flex and he's 6'3 230ish. When I (6'5 200) found this out I looked down at my 90 flex stick realizing i made a huge mistake
. I add an extension so that lowers the flex a bit, but next time I buy a new stick i'm trying lower.Yeah the technology has improved so much that sticks are designed to be more whippy and still perform at a high level. The half your weight rule is no longer the standard.Matthews uses around 70 flex and he's 6'3 230ish. When I (6'5 200) found this out I looked down at my 90 flex stick realizing i made a huge mistake
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That’s straight up crazy. I guess it explains goalscoring to these days to some extent.Matthews uses around 70 flex and he's 6'3 230ish. When I (6'5 200) found this out I looked down at my 90 flex stick realizing i made a huge mistake
According to Google Johnny Gaudreau uses a 55 flex… I might be in luck!
Nah, I’m going for a 40 flex next time I buy a stick.
You can also buy junior sticks that are 50 flex so if you are not too tall you can pay half the price.That’s straight up crazy. I guess it explains goalscoring to these days to some extent.
According to Google Johnny Gaudreau uses a 55 flex… I might be in luck!
Nah, I’m going for a 40 flex next time I buy a stick.
I would also recommend speaking to someone who can help you find your ideal kick point.That’s straight up crazy. I guess it explains goalscoring to these days to some extent.
According to Google Johnny Gaudreau uses a 55 flex… I might be in luck!
Nah, I’m going for a 40 flex next time I buy a stick.
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I think my 55 flex is technically a junior stick (I’m 5’6”).
I think you’re overestimating how optimized my current shooting ability already is.
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This is what happens when we are all very eager for 8 days from now but there's no new mocks, lists, or rumors to discuss
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I get that but I click on this thread to find exactly that, draft information.This is what happens when we are all very eager for 8 days from now but there's no new mocks, lists, or rumors to discuss
Many years ago, I did the whole stack flex thing but I feel it should be in another thread. I’m not bent.
Apologies for getting sidetracked.
Columbus is open to moving #4. Sharks should trade 14+33 and something to try and grab a top D.
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The only thing that could bring the whole board back into their typical draft day depression state would be Eiserman at 14. Therefore, it must happen because the world will implode if we all turn positive.
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If they are moving it, it is to get NHL talent, because they want to start trying to make the playoffs, not different draft picks.
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Cool, then #4 for #14 + Barclay "I only score in the playoffs" Goodrow + rights to Luke Kunin + rights to Filip Zadina. If CBJ is on his NTC, we'll just waive him and CBJ can pick him up. lol
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Going to take a lot more than that, and personally don't know that #4 is where I'd like to trade up to as opposed to 7/8 (if available). Don't think you're going to get a markedly better prospect for the additional asset haul it will take to move up there. I also think this is a lot of posturing by Waddell in his first week on the job to say "open to anything".
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It has been covered a number of times, but I just want to put my own attempt into why Eiserman is looked down on as such a questionable prospect, and I think even worse than most people realize.
I think everyone agrees, he is top 6 or not an NHLer. I don't think there is a world where you can be that disengaged off the puck, and be a bottom 6 guy.
On your top 6 lines, typically, because of how the salary cap works, you ideally have a play driving center, a play driving winger, and a complimentary winger. In the Sharks case, hopefully, Celebrini and Smith are the centers, and Eklund and Musty are the play driving wingers. Eklund at the least is the complimentary winger, but I think his vision and passing are too good for him to just be the complimentary guy, but regardless... lots remains to be seen there.
In Eiserman's case, he only can be the complimentary winger. He doesn't move the play up ice or through his teammates well enough to be the playmaker.
You want 3 things from your complimentary winger: ability to finish the chances your linemates create, ability to keep the play moving to your linemates in the offensive zone so they can continue to create, and ability to win puck battles in the defensive zone so that your teams top offensive players can get out of the defensive zone and get on the attack.
Eiserman is obviously exceptional at the first one. That is the only reason he is even on most team's draft boards at all. But, the other two he is actively bad, and that is where the problem is. For him to be good in the NHL, he needs to be with top players who can set him up, however, in doing that he is going to be actively bad at maintaining puck control when your top offensive players are on the ice. So, he is actively making your best players less effective. You want that third guy to be "complimenting" your play drivers, not detracting from them.
Basically, with Eiserman, you are "hoping" for a guy who scores a lot of goals on chances he doesn't create, gets paid a lot, and makes his linemates worse.
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4 + Laine for 14 + 33
The cap space created would offset the difference in pick values.
I personally have the ideal spot as #6 since I have a drop off in tiers after 6 but if that gets you in that tier then you take it.
My tiers
Celebrini
Levshunov
Silayev
Buium
Demidov
Lindstrom
Of course. 14+33 was just a starting point. I’d gladly let them take anyone off the NHL roster.
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