Prospect Info: All-Purpose 2024 Draft Thread & Celebrini discussion (also the 14th pick and whatever else is draft related)

[matt trick]

Would love to move up to 10 for Dickinson. Think he's an ideal guy as your 2/3 d-man for a decade or more.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Would love to move up to 10 for Dickinson. Think he's an ideal guy as your 2/3 d-man for a decade or more.

I think there's a good chance he goes top-5. We'd have to move up quite a bit.

If he falls though I absolutely agree. For Dickinson or Silayev I'd throw 33 and 42 with 14 to move up to whatever is necessary. Neither would be flashy, but we could play them 20-25 mins a game and they would just be solid.

 

[Gecklund]

New Mock by the Athletic. Sharks grab Tij at #14.

Seems like for this to happen, Lindstrom falls to CGY. A few wingers drafted before Tij (Eiserman, Sennecke). And Solberg at #13.

I really think Eiserman is one of those guys that scouts like but HF doesn’t like. From last year there were guys like Simashev, Danielson, But, Yager, Stenberg, Cowan all taken a bit higher than projected that all look good.

 

[matt trick]

I think there's a good chance he goes top-5. We'd have to move up quite a bit.

If he falls though I absolutely agree. For Dickinson or Silayev I'd throw 33 and 42 with 14 to move up to whatever is necessary. Neither would be flashy, but we could play them 20-25 mins a game and they would just be solid.

Agreed. Levshunov feels like the prize, but I could see Dickinson, Silayev, Buium, Parekh, or Yakemchuk becoming the best D in the draft. That said, DIckinson and Silayev seem to have very, very high floors as well. Agree with you they are 20+ minute a night guys. I think if Dickinson only ended up #4 d-man you'd be disappointed. Size, skating, reach, good outlet pass, can rush the puck, and a good point shot is a nice package.

 

[Juxtaposer]

New Mock by the Athletic. Sharks grab Tij at #14.

Seems like for this to happen, Lindstrom falls to CGY. A few wingers drafted before Tij (Eiserman, Sennecke). And Solberg at #13.

There’s no way this happens but I would be absolutely over the moon if it did. I love Tij.

 

[Patty Ice]

I've given up hope Iginla will be there at 14, but it's nice to fantasize about. I don't see him making out of the top 10.

I think Grier should focus on the Devs or Sabres to move up from 14. One of the 6 dmen should be available and he has the capital to make it happen.

 

[STL Shark]

I've given up hope Iginla will be there at 14, but it's nice to fantasize about. I don't see him making out of the top 10.

I think Grier should focus on the Devs or Sabres to move up from 14. One of the 6 dmen should be available and he has the capital to make it happen.

Moving up just for the sake of getting a D-Man as opposed to staying put and giving yourself more kicks at the can just doesn't seem to be wise strategy just to get 1 of the 6 as opposed to one that you really want. Better off staying at 14 and taking Solberg, or if he's gone as well (making it 7 D-Men in 13 picks off the board) getting a very good wing at 14 (MBN, Iginla, or Sennecke) to compliment the young center group we have and offer a variety of skillset as bigger power forward types.

 

[Jargon]

Moving up just for the sake of getting a D-Man as opposed to staying put and giving yourself more kicks at the can just doesn't seem to be wise strategy just to get 1 of the 6 as opposed to one that you really want. Better off staying at 14 and taking Solberg, or if he's gone as well (making it 7 D-Men in 13 picks off the board) getting a very good wing at 14 (MBN, Iginla, or Sennecke) to compliment the young center group we have and offer a variety of skillset as bigger power forward types.

I feel like if you’re Grier you call every team before you to ask what it would take to make a trade.

Then, you have your guys you love and you watch the draft and decide if you want to pull the trigger or stay. If something crazy happens like Buium drops to 9 or something, you absolutely try and grab him.

 

[Stewie Griffin]

I've given up hope Iginla will be there at 14, but it's nice to fantasize about. I don't see him making out of the top 10.

Yeah I think the top-10 locks are:

Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Silayev, Dickinson, Lindstrom, Buium, Iginla. Obviously there's only 8 of them. But that means our option at 14 is going to be who's left of:

Yakemchuk, Parekh, Sennecke, Helenius, Eiserman, Catton, or MBN.

 

[Patty Ice]

Moving up just for the sake of getting a D-Man as opposed to staying put and giving yourself more kicks at the can just doesn't seem to be wise strategy just to get 1 of the 6 as opposed to one that you really want. Better off staying at 14 and taking Solberg, or if he's gone as well (making it 7 D-Men in 13 picks off the board) getting a very good wing at 14 (MBN, Iginla, or Sennecke) to compliment the young center group we have and offer a variety of skillset as bigger power forward types.

I'm not arguing surrendering every pick to move up. 14 and 42 should be a tantalizing offer and enough to move up a few spots. It's just a matter of leapfrogging Philly and Minny.

The difference between a Parekh, Dickinson, Buuim, and Yakemchuk is a giant step from Solberg and worth giving up one of the 2nds the Sharks currently hold.

 

[Zarzh]

Moving up just for the sake of getting a D-Man as opposed to staying put and giving yourself more kicks at the can just doesn't seem to be wise strategy just to get 1 of the 6 as opposed to one that you really want. Better off staying at 14 and taking Solberg, or if he's gone as well (making it 7 D-Men in 13 picks off the board) getting a very good wing at 14 (MBN, Iginla, or Sennecke) to compliment the young center group we have and offer a variety of skillset as bigger power forward types.

More picks is almost always wrong if you have any confidence in the player. There has to be a concrete reason why you wouldn't trade up as opposed to it being the default.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

More picks is almost always wrong if you have any confidence in the player. There has to be a concrete reason why you wouldn't trade up as opposed to it being the default.

The evidence of how the draft tends to play out should temper confidence in 17 or 18 year olds past the top handful of picks at best most years. That's the concrete reason to not do such a thing. Everyone has confidence in who they pick whether they trade up or not and many times you trade up to draft a bust.

 

[coooldude]

New Mock by the Athletic. Sharks grab Tij at #14.

Seems like for this to happen, Lindstrom falls to CGY. A few wingers drafted before Tij (Eiserman, Sennecke). And Solberg at #13.

The Mock is interesting, as a "what would I do", but it's not a "what do we think the teams will do" and the journalists admit that clearly. Catton probably wouldn't go above Lindstrom at 5 unless the back issue is horrible and even if so they may go Iggy or Sennecke over Catton... My point being it's hard to see Iggy falling past the flames but who freaking knows what happens on the day.

As it is I think MBN may be a bit underrated so I'd also be really excited if we pick him at 14, I'd just rather solberg or Yakemchuk. Helenius just seems too much like Eklund or a mid range Smith outcome, which is basically what the guys said on the mock (go with the high end winger not the high floor center).

 

[Hodge]

The Mock is interesting, as a "what would I do", but it's not a "what do we think the teams will do" and the journalists admit that clearly. Catton probably wouldn't go above Lindstrom at 5 unless the back issue is horrible and even if so they may go Iggy or Sennecke over Catton... My point being it's hard to see Iggy falling past the flames but who freaking knows what happens on the day.

As it is I think MBN may be a bit underrated so I'd also be really excited if we pick him at 14, I'd just rather solberg or Yakemchuk. Helenius just seems too much like Eklund or a mid range Smith outcome, which is basically what the guys said on the mock (go with the high end winger not the high floor center).

Couldn't Helenius (or Smith for that matter) just play RW? Or be included in a package for a top pair D in a few years...

I don't see how we could justify passing on Helenius if he's available. His numbers this season were insane.

 

[Celly4Celebrini]

Moving up just for the sake of getting a D-Man as opposed to staying put and giving yourself more kicks at the can just doesn't seem to be wise strategy just to get 1 of the 6 as opposed to one that you really want. Better off staying at 14 and taking Solberg, or if he's gone as well (making it 7 D-Men in 13 picks off the board) getting a very good wing at 14 (MBN, Iginla, or Sennecke) to compliment the young center group we have and offer a variety of skillset as bigger power forward types.

more kicks at the can is the logic for mid 20s and later picks. When you have a noted top 5/6 crop of dmen you do everything you can to grab one. Especially someone like Dickinson, who by all accounts has a high end floor but maybe not the #1 guy ceiling.

 

[STL Shark]

more kicks at the can is the logic for mid 20s and later picks. When you have a noted top 5/6 crop of dmen you do everything you can to grab one. Especially someone like Dickinson, who by all accounts has a high end floor but maybe not the #1 guy ceiling.

I just have seen the movie too many times before with draft classes that supposedly have a hard fall off after pick ___ or have ___ number of guys at a certain position before there's some massive fall off to see through the noise and not fall for it again.

We somehow see it every year that _____ draft is weak or strong at _____ spot and somehow almost every year the production from said draft class winds up basically being about the exact same. This idea that the #6 guy is really going to be markedly better than #7 on defense just is highly unlikely based on historical evidence.

 

[Hodge]

I just have seen the movie too many times before with draft classes that supposedly have a hard fall off after pick ___ or have ___ number of guys at a certain position before there's some massive fall off to see through the noise and not fall for it again.

We somehow see it every year that _____ draft is weak or strong at _____ spot and somehow almost every year the production from said draft class winds up basically being about the exact same. This idea that the #6 guy is really going to be markedly better than #7 on defense just is highly unlikely based on historical evidence.

I wish we could pin this post at the top of every page of every thread about prospects or the draft.

 

[TealManV]

Really solid article from the Athletic on Zayne Parekh.

Where do we realistically think he’ll go?

 

[coooldude]

Couldn't Helenius (or Smith for that matter) just play RW? Or be included in a package for a top pair D in a few years...

I don't see how we could justify passing on Helenius if he's available. His numbers this season were insane.

Are we talking about the same Helenius? Numbers were insane perhaps for his age in the Liiga, but the upside for him is all about his hockey sense and playing with men and Olli Jokinen (Coach) saying he's ready for the NHL now. Upside comp being Aho. His downside story is that he's not very big (5'11") and it's all about his hockey sense - same story as Eklund when drafted, same kind of discussion too about "he's so smart, maybe he should go 2nd" but then falls to us at 7.

Iggy is more like a Leonard style player - may not hit his ceiling, may not be very big for a W, but fast riser with goal scoring skill and some sandpaper on the boards. He and MBN seem similar to me honestly. I think it fits the need Helenius to me just seems a bit too "same as what we already have".

Really solid article from the Athletic on Zayne Parekh.

Where do we realistically think he’ll go?

Realistically, UTA, OTT, and SEA are all highly likely to take a D so probably to one of them.

 

[Hodge]

Are we talking about the same Helenius? Numbers were insane perhaps for his age in the Liiga, but the upside for him is all about his hockey sense and playing with men and Olli Jokinen (Coach) saying he's ready for the NHL now. Upside comp being Aho. His downside story is that he's not very big (5'11") and it's all about his hockey sense - same story as Eklund when drafted, same kind of discussion too about "he's so smart, maybe he should go 2nd" but then falls to us at 7.

Iggy is more like a Leonard style player - may not hit his ceiling, may not be very big for a W, but fast riser with goal scoring skill and some sandpaper on the boards. He and MBN seem similar to me honestly. I think it fits the need Helenius to me just seems a bit too "same as what we already have".


Realistically, UTA, OTT, and SEA are all highly likely to take a D so probably to one of them.

His draft year numbers were better than the best prospects to recently come out of Liiga like Lundell, Aho and Laine.

I would take Helenius and deal with the redundancies later. We can always include him or Eklund in a trade for a defenseman in the next few years.

 

[coooldude]

His draft year numbers were better than the best prospects to recently come out of Liiga like Lundell, Aho and Laine.

I would take Helenius and deal with the redundancies later. We can always include him or Eklund in a trade for a defenseman in the next few years.

And I wouldn't. I mean, it's all hazy this year. Helenius may go 10th or fall to Detroit or further.

 

[Hodge]

And I wouldn't. I mean, it's all hazy this year. Helenius may go 10th or fall to Detroit or further.

It seemed like he was a consensus top 10 pick all year long. I never thought we would have a chance at him with the Penguins pick.

 

[coooldude]

It seemed like he was a consensus top 10 pick all year long. I never thought we would have a chance at him with the Penguins pick.

But he was never consensus top 5, and Iginla is a strong riser since January. FWIW Iggy had a very strong worlds and Helenius was invisible. His stock hasn't fallen much but it hasn't kept up with where he was early in the year.

Either player would be a good addition to the pool, alongside many others, so we are just debating personal preferences at this point.

 

[Star Platinum]

New Mock by the Athletic. Sharks grab Tij at #14.

Seems like for this to happen, Lindstrom falls to CGY. A few wingers drafted before Tij (Eiserman, Sennecke). And Solberg at #13.

The Athletic mocks seem to be particularly bad. Honestly getting a little tired of people inserting a controversial pick just for clicks. NFW is Yakemchuk going #4.

 

[WSS11]

Really solid article from the Athletic on Zayne Parekh.

Where do we realistically think he’ll go?

Ottawa or Seattle