Post-Game Talk: All Good Things…

Mr Positive

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I'm kind of with Staples in that there is a silver lining to the streak ending. It was a distraction and might have affected the team. This year McDavid and Draisaitl aren't even favorites for major awards. This year is all about the cup, and not these regular season accomplishments
 

bobbythebrain

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Give me Henrique AND Toffoli. I don't think an upgrade on Ceci is necessary or realistic.
In what was arguably one of the biggest games in franchise history, a massive statement game against the champs that punted us last year, so arguably the most important game of the season, you type the bolded. Wow

Do you watch games or just read stats afterwards?

Tonite Ceci killed alteast 5 cycles, which he does all the time. His shot attempts are/were like watching celebrity hockey games

The Flyers just beat the Florida Panthers. The Flyers roster is bush league, yet they are in a playoff spot and beating juggernaut teams. Wanna know why?

Ceci would have been benched this game and several more for that 2nd goal by Torts. He literally had every opportunity to block that shot with ease. But he casually skated infront of the shot and screened the goalie

Ceci was easily a massive reason they lost this game
 

Drivesaitl

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More scoring gets you through the stellar goaltending. Not sure where your confusion lies.
The Oilers problem in hockey, in general, isn't scoring goals. The problem is they have to play letter perfect D everygame to not expose their medium goaltending. Having to commit resource back and work hard in own zone is impeccable, and good habit, but invariably it leads to less goals scored both ways. The Oilers can't run and gun with the goaltending they have and try not to. The Oilers have some of the best scoring players on the planet. The most obvious position where improvement is needed is goaltending. That was the inference at coach firing point, that was the inference last spring, that was the inference before this long win streak. Just because the Oilers team have been playing some real leak proof hockey shouldn't disguise the critical point that we need a premium goalie in net. Some other teams we face in playoffs will have them.

Another point is that the Oilers may not be the best close game winners on the planet. Particularly in playoffs. Some team are designed, and have the mindset and cool and calm to consistently win one goal games. I'm still not convinced this Oilers team is that, or that they don't ever get rattled. It has at times been their downfall in playoffs.
 

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I'm kind of with Staples in that there is a silver lining to the streak ending. It was a distraction and might have affected the team. This year McDavid and Draisaitl aren't even favorites for major awards. This year is all about the cup, and not these regular season accomplishments
they were definitely gripping their sticks tight trying to keep the streak alive
hopefully the loss allows them to relax and play hockey
 

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Nurse was generally good last night, but he got plain ol'fashioned outmuscled and outcompeted in the corner by Paul Cotter on Vegas' 2nd goal. That was his puck to win. Mistakes happen.

Was he outmuscled? It just looked like Nurse tried to bank the puck off the wall to himself? someone? No idea what he was thinking with that play Tbh
 
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yes it does seem like Vegas creates alot of their chances from point shots and hoping for rebounds or deflections. They do it very effectively. Then you have Bouchard last night who was refusing to shoot anything at all.. use that DAMN shot!

Bouchard is 7th in the league in shots on goal among defensemen. He's 5th in shots per game. He's also 1st amongst defensemen with 8 posts hit(technically 6 posts and 2 crossbars).

He shoots plenty and he also gets the puck on target a lot more often than he gets credit for.
 
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The Oilers problem in hockey, in general, isn't scoring goals. The problem is they have to play letter perfect D everygame to not expose their medium goaltending. Having to commit resource back and work hard in own zone is impeccable, and good habit, but invariably it leads to less goals scored both ways. The Oilers can't run and gun with the goaltending they have and try not to. The Oilers have some of the best scoring players on the planet. The most obvious position where improvement is needed is goaltending. That was the inference at coach firing point, that was the inference last spring, that was the inference before this long win streak. Just because the Oilers team have been playing some real leak proof hockey shouldn't disguise the critical point that we need a premium goalie in net. Some other teams we face in playoffs will have them.

Another point is that the Oilers may not be the best close game winners on the planet. Particularly in playoffs. Some team are designed, and have the mindset and cool and calm to consistently win one goal games. I'm still not convinced this Oilers team is that, or that they don't ever get rattled. It has at times been their downfall in playoffs.
The best way to get a premium goalie is to draft one. Period.
 

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There seems to be a narrative that the Oilers can't beat Vegas. In fact, these two teams have played a lot of close games over the last few years with the Oilers actually having a winning record since the start of 2021 including the playoffs. Frankly I think these two teams are very close.

Agreed.

Particularly I thought a few guys on the team looked a bit sluggish after the time off.

Also, it's pretty clear that this was Vegas's S game, if the celebration at the end has anything to say. I think that was literally a harder celebration than when they won the cup.
 

Drivesaitl

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Damn fine effort and game. Vegas exposed what I think is the oilers biggest weakness. Our complete inability to finish a scoring chance. You can all orgasm over Aden hill all you want but I say bull shit. This team gets goalied too much is the only weakness. Th oiler’s play geat and make the opponents goalie great. It will be their only undoing come playoff time. Tons of chances and nothing to show on the scoresheet.

com playoff time they cannot give a freebie game like they always do. Because coin flip hockey is the way to beat this team and Vegas just gave them another lesson in it.
Every team on the planet ever gets goalied on occasion. I do think that said, the Oilers are a wee susceptible to it. They do probably start holding sticks tighter when its going to be one of those games and the Oilers have a history of struggling in playoffs against solid goaltending. Adin Hill isn't getting lucky and what still gets constantly overlooked here is how huge Hill is close in around crease, when the Oilers were bringing it to the net the many times they were.

Ironically the Knights had a pretty simular problem in playoffs until they got Eichel. He gave them that Allstar that they had been missing. You watch Stone nearly every time against us and he's not finishing much either.

The thing about lst nights game was it was a solidly played purist game by both clubs save for the 2-0 break Vegas gave up to the two players you can't do that with. This was destined to be a lower scoring game given how much competition for pucks and open ice there was. Realistically this could have been a 1-0 shutout for Oilers or a 1-1 tie. Fact of the matter is Hill made 10 stops that were harder than anything Skinner faced while only giving up one which was unsavable situation.
 
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Was he outmuscled? It just looked like Nurse tried to bank the puck off the wall to himself? someone? No idea what he was thinking with that play Tbh

He's thinking that he has to make a play on his own because if he went D to D to Ceci it's going to get bobbled anyway.
 

Drivesaitl

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There seems to be a narrative that the Oilers can't beat Vegas. In fact, these two teams have played a lot of close games over the last few years with the Oilers actually having a winning record since the start of 2021 including the playoffs. Frankly I think these two teams are very close.
Its possible the Oilers themselves can start to see it that way. In specific matchups numbers can be had. Anybody see the rage in McD the moment it was clear we were losing this one? Lets be clear here THIS game was taken very seriously by the Oil. They had more reason to win it than Vegas did, and more revenge reason, and evening score reason. They were facing a Vegas club depleted by injury, without Eichel and Theodore and others. This would be like the Oilers not having Drai and Nurse. We still lost.

This is not to say the Oilers can't beat Vegas. Anything can happen. But its disconcerting deja vu last night, or at least how I felt it. To me the game was eerily reminiscent. Again we even got the first goal in this one. Just like all 6 games played last spring against the Knights.

Lastly I think the Oilers get super amped playing the Knights by now. Lots of emotion, lots of hate. Sometimes that equates well. With the Oilers it might remove just a bit of concentration at times. It might get them not relaxed when they get chances. Over emotion can do that. The Knights dislike the Oilers, but foremost want to beat us. To them we're one of their bars, their measures. But to the Oilers this has become like a war.
 

brentashton

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Thought the Oilers played well last night and could have won that game with a few small things different. Bodes well for an exciting play off series.

It does appear that one more top 6 winger in place of Foegle would be a decent trade deadline move. VD had a strong game.

Scanning the stat lines from last night, Jesse Puhljarvii had 2 SOG in his Pens debut. Connor Brown had the same against VGK, with comparable TOI as well.

Both converted the same amount of those shots on net. I won’t be surprised if JP outscores CBrown by end of the season.
 

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yes it does seem like Vegas creates alot of their chances from point shots and hoping for rebounds or deflections. They do it very effectively. Then you have Bouchard last night who was refusing to shoot anything at all.. use that DAMN shot!
Yeah, Bouchard has evolved immensely this season, but that was a frustrating game by him to watch last evening. He had numerous clear looks to shoot and didn't pull the trigger. This matters because his point shots represent the key to scoring when Vegas does their clog the home plate routine. Somebody needs to show him a Brent Burns highlight package, where he creates lots of chances by just getting a shot on net.
 
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Bouchard is 7th in the league in shots on goal among defensemen. He's 5th in shots per game. He's also 1st amongst defensemen with 8 posts hit(technically 6 posts and 2 crossbars).

He shoots plenty and he also gets the puck on target a lot more often than he gets credit for.
I was just referring to last night's game... especially in the 3rd and trailing.. he was still dancing on the blueline or passing it off instead of using his shot. I think he hit the post or something the one time he did wire it.
 

Drivesaitl

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To be fair, the Oilers likely win that game most nights. Hill was out of his mind tonight.

Oilers were 5-0-1 against Vegas in their last regular season matchups before tonight, and that was Hill’s first regular season win against us in his career. I still think we match up ok against them.
I too felt that the Oilers were deserving of victory. But I've been getting used to that feeling in important matchups with Vegas. This was an important game, 4pt game, and with Vegas missing critical elements.

But that said I experienced some deja vu with that game, which isn't definable, and can be a subjective feel. So may not be objective on this one.
 

Drivesaitl

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Draisaitl sucked tonight.

It’s okay to admit that.

He hasn’t been as good as he usually is this season and he’s about to get a huge pay raise.
Its inevitable that Drai will not be able to retain his peak play. He's getting older, and he's not superhuman like McD. Drai has delivered on contract and then some every season. He's been one of the value superstar contracts through the whole stretch. Yeah, some team will pay him big bucks, he's earned it, more than earned it.

Drai didn't suck, he simply didn't cash and he had chances. Moreso he made impeccable plays defensively and several times was like an extra D back in own zone. Later in game he strips a puck from behind that is possibly a GA. He was working tirelessly. Its just that the criticism lands on him. In a tight fiercely contested game neither team had a player that wasn't turning puck over or getting beat on plays. That was the nature of this game.

Theres another comment from somebody else that Drai "cost the Oilers this game" I don't know where thats coming from specifically other than that Drai didn't cash. But nobody other than McD cashed.
 
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Oilers now have four less wins.

The NHL continues to trip over and embarrass itself as a purported major sports league. I would expect this from the CFL (oh, wait I think it DID happen to them too) but NHL? Wowza.

Impacts on sports betting partners, players and salary negotiations with sub par statistic documentation. Just bush.

Someone should check to ensure that Ovechkin didn’t mysteriously surpass Gretzky’s goal scoring record over night with this massaging.
 
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Drivesaitl

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I was just referring to last night's game... especially in the 3rd and trailing.. he was still dancing on the blueline or passing it off instead of using his shot. I think he hit the post or something the one time he did wire it.
Its the human nature of the game. Booch is comfortable against a lot of clubs now dancing on the blueline. But he should be nervous doing that against the Knights. fact is its not easy to hold line against Knights and its dangerous to do that as they love the counter. They love to set up any odd man out situation. They're the best in the league, jmo, at that one aspect. So this isn't on Booch as much as who we were facing. Sometimes I credit that. The Knights challenge at the line and with intent to create.

Generally speaking the Oilers can't pull every one of their trick bags against Vegas. he did get the one solid shot away hitting post. Again on an impeccable off look timing pass from Drai. Plays that hardly get noticed.
 

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