Rumor: All Encompassing Jimmy Vesey Thread. All Rumors/News goes here. Part IV

[Igor Shestyorkin]

Can't we all just get along?

It's HFBoards, so that's one lofty expectation.

 

[nmbr_24]

If that's the case, then why are Buffalo, Boston, Leafs, and NJ, all of which were worse than Detroit this past season, on his list of teams?

Boston actually won one more game than Detroit last season and they were tied in points. I would definitely not say they are better than Boston.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Boston actually won one more game than Detroit last season and they were tied in points. I would definitely not say they are better than Boston.

Yeah, you're right. I should have said equal to or better as they had the same number of points. The point I was subtly making though was that it's more than just quality of the team that are likely coming into play in his decision (my speculation). Geography, quality of the team, future outlook, teammates, coaching staff, etc.. are all likely contributors.

 

[kypredsfan]

He may as well just come back to Nashville now and just destroy hockey media and this site. As well as giving the Preds an extra pick. lol

 

[Charlie Conway]

You forgot the Vigneault factor. There is no Glass in the lineup.



Not over Bishop, Schneider and Holtby.

It's still the off-season. Let a guy dream...

 

[TLEH]

So players on other teams stopped having birthdays? Where is this fountain of youth that Chicago uses to keep its players so young and spry?

Thought Lundqvist was older. Dan Giradi and Marc Staal are terrible. Not exactly a team on the rise, either. Just my opinion.

 

[Riptide]

I think that would give Pittsburgh problems as well with all the money they'll either have or will have to tie up into guys like Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Hornqvist, Murray, Kessel, Maatta, etc.

Not really. Pittsburgh has close to 20m in cap space (currently) for next summer, with only 3 key guys to sign (Dumoulin, Bonino and Murray), and several high priced guys on the way out (Kunitz, Daley and likely MAF). Looking 2 years out, it's even more favorable.

Pittsburgh's cap situation over the next 3 years is pretty good. Sure they'll almost always be tight to the cap - but that's the nature of having A) a contending team and B) having 4 allstars locked up long term. But if Vesey came here and became a 6m player, they have the flexibility to accommodate him with the various contracts they have expiring between now and then.

 

[TLEH]

We (NYR) are slowly getting younger. I feel like it's one of those stereotypes (like the one that has us signing free agents to massive contracts) that is no longer entirely true.

Our forward group:

Kreider (25) - Stepan (26) - Nash (32)
Miller (23) - Zibby (23) - Zuccs (28)
Buchnevich (21) - Hayes (24) - Grabner (28)
Gerbe (29) - Jooris (26) - Fast (25)

and we have potential bottom-6'ers in Hrivik (24) and Jensen (23) who could replace Gerbe, Grabner, or Jooris. Plus Lindberg (25) is currently out with injury to start the season, and Tambellini (21) could get a game here and there.

It's a possibility Nash gets moved within the next year or so, and guys like Gerbe and Grabner are just one-year guys. No key player will be on the other side of 30.

As for defense, yeah, they're a bit older, but still, defense tends to older in any case, and we're rotating in younger guys.

McDonagh (27) - Girardi (32)
Staal (29) - Klein (31)
Skjei (22) - McIlrath (24)

And then you have guys Paliotta (23), Clendening (23), and Graves (21) that could be call-ups and potentially fight for spots.

Yeah, Lundqvist is 34, but Halverson, Shestyorkin, and Huska all have potential NHL-starter upside. Raanta is filling in the blanks. And we still have potential in guys like Hellberg and Skapski, both of whom are more like long shots at this point.


Point being--we're not that old. Vesey would fit right into the age range of the new, younger core, and, with our prospect pool being a bit empty, he has a realistic shot of cracking the lineup.

I understand, but Girardi and Staal are objectively terrible with large(r) contracts. Paliotta and Clendening are 23 so still young, but mostly castoffs. I like Skjei, McIlrath not so much. I PERSONALLY think the Rangers are in for a few seasons of lesser play until they rebuild and get younger. This is my opinion on an internet forum.

 

[TLEH]

Not really. Pittsburgh has close to 20m in cap space (currently) for next summer, with only 3 key guys to sign (Dumoulin, Bonino and Murray), and several high priced guys on the way out (Kunitz, Daley and likely MAF). Looking 2 years out, it's even more favorable.

Pittsburgh's cap situation over the next 3 years is pretty good. Sure they'll almost always be tight to the cap - but that's the nature of having A) a contending team and B) having 4 allstars locked up long term. But if Vesey came here and became a 6m player, they have the flexibility to accommodate him with the various contracts they have expiring between now and then.

exactly, the goal of the NHL is to win the Stanley Cup, not have the most cap space and best prospect pool.

 

[Ishad]

If that's the case, then why are Buffalo, Boston, Leafs, and NJ, all of which were worse than Detroit this past season, on his list of teams?

Detroit has a logjam at forwards, cap space, and is treading water as far of quality. That they were turned down should be the least shocking news of the day.

 

[McOvechking]

He's going to choose Edmonton.

 

[Off Sides]

I understand, but Girardi and Staal are objectively terrible with large(r) contracts. Paliotta and Clendening are 23 so still young, but mostly castoffs. I like Skjei, McIlrath not so much. I PERSONALLY think the Rangers are in for a few seasons of lesser play until they rebuild and get younger. This is my opinion on an internet forum.

Which team made Paliotta and Clendening castoffs?

 

[JT Kreider]

Which team made Paliotta and Clendening castoffs?

Paliotta CBJ and CHI. Clendening CHI, ANA, EDM and PIT.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

Chris Botta ‏@ChrisBottaNHL
Told Islanders are right in contention for Jimmy Vesey with other finalists. Close to home. Good fit with young forwards.

 

[Riptide]

Which team made Paliotta and Clendening castoffs?

Vancouver, Edmonton, Anaheim and Pittsburgh?

 

[Big Easy]

He's going to choose Edmonton.

Did you choose Edmonton?

 

[HawkeyTalkMan]

Paliotta CBJ and CHI. Clendening CHI, ANA, EDM and PIT.

I am about 90% sure Adam Clendening is the most traded/moved player in the NHL the last two seasons.

Now that he is signed with NYR, it is his 6th NHL team in the last 21 months

Chicago
Vancouver
Pittburgh
Anaheim
Edmonton
NYR

 

[Shmuffalo]

He's going to choose Edmonton.

And he's going to be holding back tears in his Press Conference

 

[GlassesJacketShirt]

Man, at this point I'm all but certain he's going to join the Miami Heat.

 

[HockeyGuruPitka]

FWIW Kevin Hayes just retweeted a fan asking Vesey to choose NYR and win a championship...

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[Group Chat Legend*]

I hope NJ signs him just so the complains come rolling in.

But I dont see why he chooses NJ either, with the other options out there

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

FWIW Kevin Hayes just retweeted a fan asking Vesey to choose NYR and win a championship...

continue.

Run DMC

 

[TheGroceryStick]

I'd be surprised if it wasn't NY, NJ or BOS.
I think the 'close to home' aspect is too much ; Boston if he wants the spotlight, pressure; NJ if he wants to ease into the league; and NY if he wants a bit of both worlds (I or R).

The latest on NYI makes me wonder - seems like a decent spot; rising team and less craziness.

 

[Havok89]

He's going to choose Edmonton.

Edmonton just signed Lucic to play with McDavid. How many LW's are going to sign in Edmonton for the same reason?

 

[TLEH]

FWIW Kevin Hayes just retweeted a fan asking Vesey to choose NYR and win a championship...

continue.